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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 16:07:21 GMT -5
How many more Died since Joe took office? Isn’t that his responsibility? Those deaths are on his head. Joe will not have to take responsibility for these deaths. First, he'll blame it on Trump, which is the politically astute thing to do. Second, the press will blame those deaths on Trump too. But more importantly cases in the United States are going to fall off the table soon. Politically astute? How about acknowledging the stupidity of the post?
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Post by guest2 on Jan 25, 2021 16:12:53 GMT -5
Vaccines are being administered faster than they are being produced. Where is this massive failure of a distribution plan? According to this video, as of January 22, 539,000 doses had been administered and NYC was not out of vaccine. (DeBlasio did not contest either fact) Vaccinations in NYC began on Dec. 15, so in over 5 weeks, only 500k doses have been administered. How is that not a failure? Consider that each person needs two doses and NYC has 8 million plus people. (so 16 million total doses are necessary) But even if only one dose were necessary, that rate of vaccinations would equal all of NYC being vaccinated by sometime in Spring 2022
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Post by n00b on Jan 25, 2021 23:02:34 GMT -5
Vaccines are being administered faster than they are being produced. Where is this massive failure of a distribution plan? According to this video, as of January 22, 539,000 doses had been administered and NYC was not out of vaccine. (DeBlasio did not contest either fact) Vaccinations in NYC began on Dec. 15, so in over 5 weeks, only 500k doses have been administered. How is that not a failure? Consider that each person needs two doses and NYC has 8 million plus people. (so 16 million total doses are necessary) But even if only one dose were necessary, that rate of vaccinations would equal all of NYC being vaccinated by sometime in Spring 2022 I was referring to the complaint that the federal government didn't have a plan for the 'last mile' and the 'last inch' of actually getting vaccines into people's arms. You can maybe argue that we need to be producing vaccine faster (I'm not sure what is reasonable at this point), but my point was that localities are able to administer vaccines faster than Pfizer and Moderna can produce them. Or at least NYC can.
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Post by hammer on Jan 26, 2021 2:38:39 GMT -5
From the SF Chronicle (Jan 25, 2021):
The cancer drug Aplidin (generic name: plitidepsin), a compound that was originally derived from one found in a bizarre marine creature found near Ibiza called Aplidium albicans, has been identified by a UCSF research team as a promising game-changing drug treatment for CV-19 patients. As the team explains in a new report in the journal Science, plitidepsin was shown to dramatically inhibit the replication of SARS CoV-2, a.k.a. the coronavirus, and may in fact be 30 times more effective as an antiviral treatment than remdesivir, which has been used on an emergency basis in patients in clinical settings since last winter.
The drug won't be available until a broad based phase 3 trial is completed.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 26, 2021 7:48:01 GMT -5
Some catchup on COVID political stuff.
Turns out that Red states are either as or more efficient at administering vaccines than blue states - of course that doesn't fit the medias view so it isn't news. Or the stories of Republican Governors leading their citizens to slaughter - which was pretty irresponsible journalism to begin with.
Democratic Party continues to double down on its support of the teachers unions in not following the science on COVID and putting their political agenda ahead of the education of our young. Of course this will negatively impact the poor and minorities. Completely insane that we aren't having in person school across the country - this is based on no 'science'.
2 Masks - really? Masks help in a very small way at the margins, but it doesn't come close to the impact of social distancing.
Europe is a complete dumpster fire right now - despite many more 'lockdowns' than the US.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2021 11:13:51 GMT -5
Oh wow, someone's had a rough day.
New York has distributed 200x (!) the number of vaccines as North Dakota, and North Dakota, despite being a small, isolated rural State that missed the first wave when the virus was deadliest, is #7 in COVID deaths per capita. South Dakota is in the Top 5 in deaths, with similar fundamentals that should put them at the bottom of the list in terms of deaths, with their superstar contrarian governor. But I guess both had an easier time distributing an incredibly small number of vaccines, so I guess that's enough to back up that line of rhetoric.
And oh yes, teachers unions - the greatest danger to America!
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Post by n00b on Jan 26, 2021 11:25:46 GMT -5
Oh wow, someone's had a rough day. New York has distributed 200x (!) the number of vaccines as North Dakota, and North Dakota, despite being a small, isolated rural State that missed the first wave when the virus was deadliest, is #7 in COVID deaths per capita. South Dakota is in the Top 5 in deaths, with similar fundamentals that should put them at the bottom of the list in terms of deaths, with their superstar contrarian governor. But I guess both had an easier time distributing an incredibly small number of vaccines, so I guess that's enough to back up that line of rhetoric. And oh yes, teachers unions - the greatest danger to America! 1) Yes. It's easier to coordinate when you have fewer people to worry about. That's exactly why the federal government should support the states but NOT coordinate the actual last inch of the vaccination plan. While South Dakota might be able to handle it at the state level. A state like California should be delegating to even more local levels. 2) If you want to compare like-sized states New York and Texas are #18 and #19 for percentage of distributed vaccines that have been administered. Population of the state certainly matters (The Dakotas, New Mexico, Connecticut are among the best), but to blue's point, the Red/Blue slant of the state doesn't seem to. www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2021 11:35:10 GMT -5
Oh wow, someone's had a rough day. New York has distributed 200x (!) the number of vaccines as North Dakota, and North Dakota, despite being a small, isolated rural State that missed the first wave when the virus was deadliest, is #7 in COVID deaths per capita. South Dakota is in the Top 5 in deaths, with similar fundamentals that should put them at the bottom of the list in terms of deaths, with their superstar contrarian governor. But I guess both had an easier time distributing an incredibly small number of vaccines, so I guess that's enough to back up that line of rhetoric. And oh yes, teachers unions - the greatest danger to America! 1) Yes. It's easier to coordinate when you have fewer people to worry about. That's exactly why the federal government should support the states but NOT coordinate the actual last inch of the vaccination plan. While South Dakota might be able to handle it at the state level. A state like California should be delegating to even more local levels. 2) If you want to compare like-sized states New York and Texas are #18 and #19 for percentage of distributed vaccines that have been administered. Population of the state certainly matters (The Dakotas, New Mexico, Connecticut are among the best), but to blue's point, the Red/Blue slant of the state doesn't seem to. www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html1) There should be a federal framework so localities aren't just dumped with vaccines and tasked with a distribution plan they aren't equipped for (or possibly even funded for). 2) So Blue's complaint is that the media isn't lauding the red states for not sucking? Where was the media harping on about red states not getting vaccines out? This is Blue trying to make a "gotcha" in search of a narrative. He was trying to rebut criticism of certain Red State governors' handling of COVID...... but the criticisms weren't about vaccine distribution.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 26, 2021 11:43:01 GMT -5
It is rather dishonest for NY and NYC to continue the lie that they are 'short' on supply of vaccines when they have only administered 59% of the vaccines delivered.
Politically it is all about being able to blame someone else w/o being held accountable.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 26, 2021 11:45:28 GMT -5
1) Yes. It's easier to coordinate when you have fewer people to worry about. That's exactly why the federal government should support the states but NOT coordinate the actual last inch of the vaccination plan. While South Dakota might be able to handle it at the state level. A state like California should be delegating to even more local levels. 2) If you want to compare like-sized states New York and Texas are #18 and #19 for percentage of distributed vaccines that have been administered. Population of the state certainly matters (The Dakotas, New Mexico, Connecticut are among the best), but to blue's point, the Red/Blue slant of the state doesn't seem to. www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html1) There should be a federal framework so localities aren't just dumped with vaccines and tasked with a distribution plan they aren't equipped for (or possibly even funded for). 2) So Blue's complaint is that the media isn't lauding the red states for not sucking? Where was the media harping on about red states not getting vaccines out? This is Blue trying to make a "gotcha" in search of a narrative. He was trying to rebut criticism of certain Red State governors' handling of COVID...... but the criticisms weren't about vaccine distribution. The 'gotcha' (really not a gotcha) is that we typically here how D's are much better at governance than R's - but this isn't being reflected by the vaccine rollout. It is part of an overall general media bias.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2021 11:54:19 GMT -5
1) There should be a federal framework so localities aren't just dumped with vaccines and tasked with a distribution plan they aren't equipped for (or possibly even funded for). 2) So Blue's complaint is that the media isn't lauding the red states for not sucking? Where was the media harping on about red states not getting vaccines out? This is Blue trying to make a "gotcha" in search of a narrative. He was trying to rebut criticism of certain Red State governors' handling of COVID...... but the criticisms weren't about vaccine distribution. The 'gotcha' (really not a gotcha) is that we typically here how D's are much better at governance than R's Who says that? The pandemic response has been a comprehensive failure at every level of government and every state. Congress has failed. The Trump administration failed. Governors and state legislatures have failed. There's plenty of blame to go around, regardless of party. Hell, one of the few reasonable responses I've seen was from my own town council- mask mandate inside and outside downtown, CARES act money used as grants directly to restaurants to set up outdoor dining and distributed to residents as gift certificates to use at local businesses, a robust partnership with the local university (including use of research labs for COVID testing).
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2021 11:55:56 GMT -5
1) There should be a federal framework so localities aren't just dumped with vaccines and tasked with a distribution plan they aren't equipped for (or possibly even funded for). 2) So Blue's complaint is that the media isn't lauding the red states for not sucking? Where was the media harping on about red states not getting vaccines out? This is Blue trying to make a "gotcha" in search of a narrative. He was trying to rebut criticism of certain Red State governors' handling of COVID...... but the criticisms weren't about vaccine distribution. The 'gotcha' (really not a gotcha) is that we typically here how D's are much better at governance than R's - but this isn't being reflected by the vaccine rollout. It is part of an overall general media bias. So you're saying because South Dakota is Top 5 in vaccine rollout that Kristi Noem has done a good job governing in terms of COVID? For all you hate Cuomo (and I don't think he's been excellent), he's been doing a hell of a lot better keeping New Yorkers alive than Noem has, despite significantly worse fundamentals.
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Post by trojansc on Jan 26, 2021 12:02:43 GMT -5
The 'gotcha' (really not a gotcha) is that we typically here how D's are much better at governance than R's - but this isn't being reflected by the vaccine rollout. It is part of an overall general media bias. I’ve been watching FOX/Tucker Carlson lately and I haven’t heard that? I mean, after all, isn’t FOX the most watched cable news network?
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Post by n00b on Jan 26, 2021 13:53:26 GMT -5
The 'gotcha' (really not a gotcha) is that we typically here how D's are much better at governance than R's Who says that? The pandemic response has been a comprehensive failure at every level of government and every state. Congress has failed. The Trump administration failed. Governors and state legislatures have failed. There's plenty of blame to go around, regardless of party. Hell, one of the few reasonable responses I've seen was from my own town council- mask mandate inside and outside downtown, CARES act money used as grants directly to restaurants to set up outdoor dining and distributed to residents as gift certificates to use at local businesses, a robust partnership with the local university (including use of research labs for COVID testing). If everybody at every level of government and every state is failing, then perhaps expectations were unreasonable. Maybe politicians (or their health department appointees) simply aren't able to stop a global pandemic.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2021 14:05:33 GMT -5
Who says that? The pandemic response has been a comprehensive failure at every level of government and every state. Congress has failed. The Trump administration failed. Governors and state legislatures have failed. There's plenty of blame to go around, regardless of party. Hell, one of the few reasonable responses I've seen was from my own town council- mask mandate inside and outside downtown, CARES act money used as grants directly to restaurants to set up outdoor dining and distributed to residents as gift certificates to use at local businesses, a robust partnership with the local university (including use of research labs for COVID testing). If everybody at every level of government and every state is failing, then perhaps expectations were unreasonable. Maybe politicians (or their health department appointees) simply aren't able to stop a global pandemic. Makes perfect sense when you realize every single country has had as disastrous a pandemic response as the United States.
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