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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Feb 18, 2020 11:23:36 GMT -5
Since this is a thread discussing club vb I assume people with good knowledge of past and present club would be visiting here. I was thinking yesterday, if all completely healthy, is this years TAV 18 black team the most stacked 18s team there’s ever been? With commits to Stanford, Texas, Florida, Minnesota, UCLA (could’ve gone anywhere), LSU, etc.. ik for a fact they have 6 senior aces,maybe more, three in the top 10 I believe. Carlini had a pretty nasty team her 18s year as well, but idk if there was as many big name players, a lot of their success was due to coaching and Carlini. So my exact question is, is this TAV team the most stacked team ever player to player? I’m not asking about the best 18s team ever, I’m asking has any 18s roster ever had this many individual standouts ? Well since they didn't win this weekend I will say no. Two best club teams I have seen were Sports Performance with Kelly Murphy and the same year, Munciana's team with Darcy Dorton. SPVB went undefeated, beating the Chinese National Team three times. Munciana's only losses that year were to Sports performance. Actually I'm not sure Kelly Murphy's Team ever lost her entire club career.
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Post by jumphigher on Feb 18, 2020 11:25:56 GMT -5
Big upset in the 16’s. Houston skyline- the #1 team is swept in the round of 16. Not really an upset given the circumstances. If you watched H Skyline 16s you would have seen that their 5-1 setter Waak (LSU) and their L1 Warren were both out with injuries. They had what appeared to be a 13 or 14 year old setting in a 6-2, a DS playing on the left and a middle on the right all tournament. I'm surprised they made it as far as they did and were still able to win Pool A.
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Post by vbstan123 on Feb 18, 2020 11:46:14 GMT -5
Since this is a thread discussing club vb I assume people with good knowledge of past and present club would be visiting here. I was thinking yesterday, if all completely healthy, is this years TAV 18 black team the most stacked 18s team there’s ever been? With commits to Stanford, Texas, Florida, Minnesota, UCLA (could’ve gone anywhere), LSU, etc.. ik for a fact they have 6 senior aces,maybe more, three in the top 10 I believe. Carlini had a pretty nasty team her 18s year as well, but idk if there was as many big name players, a lot of their success was due to coaching and Carlini. So my exact question is, is this TAV team the most stacked team ever player to player? I’m not asking about the best 18s team ever, I’m asking has any 18s roster ever had this many individual standouts ? Well since they didn't win this weekend I will say no. Two best club teams I have seen were Sports Performance with Kelly Murphy and the same year, Munciana's team with Darcy Dorton. SPVB went undefeated, beating the Chinese National Team three times. Munciana's only losses that year were to Sports performance. Actually I'm not sure Kelly Murphy's Team ever lost her entire club career. Correct. That Sports Performance team went 84-0.
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Post by stanfordvb on Feb 18, 2020 11:54:14 GMT -5
Since this is a thread discussing club vb I assume people with good knowledge of past and present club would be visiting here. I was thinking yesterday, if all completely healthy, is this years TAV 18 black team the most stacked 18s team there’s ever been? With commits to Stanford, Texas, Florida, Minnesota, UCLA (could’ve gone anywhere), LSU, etc.. ik for a fact they have 6 senior aces,maybe more, three in the top 10 I believe. Carlini had a pretty nasty team her 18s year as well, but idk if there was as many big name players, a lot of their success was due to coaching and Carlini. So my exact question is, is this TAV team the most stacked team ever player to player? I’m not asking about the best 18s team ever, I’m asking has any 18s roster ever had this many individual standouts ? Well since they didn't win this weekend I will say no. Two best club teams I have seen were Sports Performance with Kelly Murphy and the same year, Munciana's team with Darcy Dorton. SPVB went undefeated, beating the Chinese National Team three times. Munciana's only losses that year were to Sports performance. Actually I'm not sure Kelly Murphy's Team ever lost her entire club career. They didn’t win for a reason. Leilah Smith and Jenna Wenaas are both out. Two of the best players in the country. Their setter was hitting. Triple crown is not a fair evaluation of them, not even close to their starting lineup.
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Post by n00b on Feb 18, 2020 11:54:15 GMT -5
Since this is a thread discussing club vb I assume people with good knowledge of past and present club would be visiting here. I was thinking yesterday, if all completely healthy, is this years TAV 18 black team the most stacked 18s team there’s ever been? With commits to Stanford, Texas, Florida, Minnesota, UCLA (could’ve gone anywhere), LSU, etc.. ik for a fact they have 6 senior aces,maybe more, three in the top 10 I believe. Carlini had a pretty nasty team her 18s year as well, but idk if there was as many big name players, a lot of their success was due to coaching and Carlini. So my exact question is, is this TAV team the most stacked team ever player to player? I’m not asking about the best 18s team ever, I’m asking has any 18s roster ever had this many individual standouts ? Well since they didn't win this weekend I will say no. Two best club teams I have seen were Sports Performance with Kelly Murphy and the same year, Munciana's team with Darcy Dorton. SPVB went undefeated, beating the Chinese National Team three times. Munciana's only losses that year were to Sports performance. Actually I'm not sure Kelly Murphy's Team ever lost her entire club career. The question was ‘if healthy’ and the team this weekend was missing outside hitters going to Texas and Minnesota plus a middle going to Stanford. So I’m not sure how any results from this weekend would be applicable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 12:18:52 GMT -5
Well since they didn't win this weekend I will say no. Two best club teams I have seen were Sports Performance with Kelly Murphy and the same year, Munciana's team with Darcy Dorton. SPVB went undefeated, beating the Chinese National Team three times. Munciana's only losses that year were to Sports performance. Actually I'm not sure Kelly Murphy's Team ever lost her entire club career. The question was ‘if healthy’ and the team this weekend was missing outside hitters going to Texas and Minnesota plus a middle going to Stanford. So I’m not sure how any results from this weekend would be applicable. Prior to Triple Crown NIT, has there been a tournament that required top teams play each other in pool play? Not trying to take anything away from SPVB/Munciana teams, but were they ever forced to play similar format to Power Pool day? It seems nearly impossible to make it through that schedule unscathed.
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Feb 18, 2020 12:24:11 GMT -5
There is a lot of TAV love right now. I get what you are saying and if healthy they are scary good, but the fact is they aren't. The original question is, is this group of athletes the best collection of high school athletes ever? If they aren't playing together then I can't say yes, regardless of how good they might be on paper.
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Post by stanfordvb on Feb 18, 2020 12:37:14 GMT -5
There is a lot of TAV love right now. I get what you are saying and if healthy they are scary good, but the fact is they aren't. The original question is, is this group of athletes the best collection of high school athletes ever? If they aren't playing together then I can't say yes, regardless of how good they might be on paper. I get what you’re saying, i don’t necessarily think they are the best team. I think Carlinis 18s year would likely beat them. I’m just wondering has their ever been this much talent on a roster? 4 top 10 recruits is pretty insane
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Post by bluepenquin on Feb 18, 2020 15:16:13 GMT -5
I stopped by and watched tav 18’s play on Saturday and thought they looked pretty good with the girls they had playing and was able to beat Mintonette, sky-high & Munciana. N okammor looked really strong in the middle and Florida is really getting a good one. L Smith hasn’t played at all this season from what I’ve heard from some of the N Texas parents so not sure how much she will contribute after her injuries. My biggest question is what happened to Houston skyline 18’s? Injuries? TAV 18 would still be great w/o Smith. It was losing Wenaas while not having M.Williams this year that created the problem. They were left with only Flickinger to play OH. Ndiaye was still able to hit cannons from the LS, but she was a problem when/if she was receiving serve. Plus they were playing w/o a RS at times. Still - if they got in system, Ndiaye and Okammor were going to be pretty great. I did watch Houston Skyline on Sunday. Both Skinner and Rutherford were playing. Houston Skyline went 1-2 in Power A - both losses coming in 3 sets. After being eliminated in the 2nd round on Sunday, then went on to beat a very good Milwaukee Sting team 25-21, 25-20 and then beat Minnesota Select before losing their last match to Houston Juniors in 3 sets. The question shouldn't be what happened to Houston Skyline, but what happened to Rockwood Thunder? Rockwood Thunder went 3-0 in Power Pool D narrowly finishing 2nd to the other big surprise team KU'IKAHI by point differential: 1.3393 vs. 1.3694. Then Rockwood proceeded to knock out Houston Skyline (25-22, 25-22) and WAVE (25-22, 25-21) to finish out Sunday and then KC Mavs in the quarterfinals (18-25, 25-19, 15-13) before finally losing to the eventual champions Legacy in the semifinals (25-19, 25-20). Rockwood went 7-1 along with KU'IKAHI both coming out of Pool D. I watched Rockwood's 3 set win over the MAVS - the MAVS controlled the 1st set and then Rockwood went on run in the 2nd set until halfway through the 3rd set where they didn't miss a pass on serve receive. Then tightened up towards the end of the 3rd set letting the MAVS back in the match. In theory, the MAVS should have been the best passing team in the tournament (they had an injury to a starting OH then caused C.Bien to play 6 rotation OH and gave them Bien and Ayden Bartlett on serve receive for every point in the tournament) - but Rockwood's passing was better for much of that match. I watched KU'IKAHI in their final match loss to A5 - and that team also was able to stay in system. Teams that can pass like that have the potential to win against 'better' teams - and I suspect that Rockwood outpassed Houston Juniors to beat them.
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Post by bkedane on Feb 18, 2020 15:31:30 GMT -5
Since this is a thread discussing club vb I assume people with good knowledge of past and present club would be visiting here. I was thinking yesterday, if all completely healthy, is this years TAV 18 black team the most stacked 18s team there’s ever been? With commits to Stanford, Texas, Florida, Minnesota, UCLA (could’ve gone anywhere), LSU, etc.. ik for a fact they have 6 senior aces,maybe more, three in the top 10 I believe. Carlini had a pretty nasty team her 18s year as well, but idk if there was as many big name players, a lot of their success was due to coaching and Carlini. So my exact question is, is this TAV team the most stacked team ever player to player? I’m not asking about the best 18s team ever, I’m asking has any 18s roster ever had this many individual standouts ? Well since they didn't win this weekend I will say no. Two best club teams I have seen were Sports Performance with Kelly Murphy and the same year, Munciana's team with Darcy Dorton. SPVB went undefeated, beating the Chinese National Team three times. Munciana's only losses that year were to Sports performance. Actually I'm not sure Kelly Murphy's Team ever lost her entire club career. The Chinese National Team? Or a Chinese junior national team? I don't remember the Chinese National Team playing junior club teams any of those years. Perhaps I am misremembering.
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Post by vbjustice on Feb 18, 2020 19:01:04 GMT -5
Big upset in the 16’s. Houston skyline- the #1 team is swept in the round of 16. Not really an upset given the circumstances. If you watched H Skyline 16s you would have seen that their 5-1 setter Waak (LSU) and their L1 Warren were both out with injuries. They had what appeared to be a 13 or 14 year old setting in a 6-2, a DS playing on the left and a middle on the right all tournament. I'm surprised they made it as far as they did and were still able to win Pool A. Exactly. And lots of props to that kid that was setting. No fear.
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 18, 2020 19:11:17 GMT -5
Well since they didn't win this weekend I will say no. Two best club teams I have seen were Sports Performance with Kelly Murphy and the same year, Munciana's team with Darcy Dorton. SPVB went undefeated, beating the Chinese National Team three times. Munciana's only losses that year were to Sports performance. Actually I'm not sure Kelly Murphy's Team ever lost her entire club career. The Chinese National Team? Or a Chinese junior national team? I don't remember the Chinese National Team playing junior club teams any of those years. Perhaps I am misremembering. Obviously not THE Olympic China National Senior National Team.
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Post by ned3vball on Feb 20, 2020 8:23:25 GMT -5
Not a USAV qualifier so I guess I get it, but I wish more teams would post rosters. Are they laying low since it is relatively early in the season and they want to make any within club roster shifts less noticeable before Nationals? Or is it just one less thing to do since they don't have to.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Feb 20, 2020 10:46:45 GMT -5
Not a USAV qualifier so I guess I get it, but I wish more teams would post rosters. Are they laying low since it is relatively early in the season and they want to make any within club roster shifts less noticeable before Nationals? Or is it just one less thing to do since they don't have to. The latter.
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Post by jcvball22 on Feb 20, 2020 11:42:09 GMT -5
Not a USAV qualifier so I guess I get it, but I wish more teams would post rosters. Are they laying low since it is relatively early in the season and they want to make any within club roster shifts less noticeable before Nationals? Or is it just one less thing to do since they don't have to. All of the rosters with the commitment information is in AES for the tournament. Not all clubs maintain their websites well (due to lack of staff or laziness, sometimes that is unclear), but everyone was required to submit updated rosters a week before the tournament and I know that information was sent both to AES and University Athlete.
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