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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 20:57:22 GMT -5
Beach I definitely think improved. The virus is hurting them more than others because they have so many new pieces but I think they'll be top 3 in BW 2020. Hawaii, I don't think their recruiting class is stellar, but just getting JR back would make them the best team in the conference so long as Lang is serviceable. I don't think there's any way you can make the case that UCSB got better this offseason though. If they were just losing Ruddins and Glasker, that'd still be tough to replace but they lost two more of their best players only 2 years into their careers. That offense is not built to run a 5-1 (Vivao is 5'7) and there is no setter in the incoming class. They also lost the best Libero in the conference with very little behind her in that position and, apparently, have no scholarships in 2020 available to bring in a transfer at either spot! If, Bakersfield and UC San Diego are both RPI 250+ the entire conference takes a hit. Based on that, unless Hawaii, Poly and Beach are all top 25 programs this year, I don't see how the conference is going to be stronger than last year. I can't see 3 teams making the tournament. "...getting JR back would make them the best team in the conference so long as Lang is serviceable." Agreed. But don't forget we got Mylana Byrd - the 6'2" transfer setter from Alabama who is originally from Houston. I'm not as concerned about the setting position as I am the Libero position....that's the position that worries me the most.... I hadn't forgotten Byrd... I know Coach Rob is great with setters but I'm just not sure where Byrd fits on the roster (besides as a practice player). I watched 3 matches of hers before she lost the starting job in Bama (Alcorn State, Kennesaw State and Florida State) and while she does some things well; like running a slide and her blocking is OK (although I was expecting a bit more if I'm honest), using her in a 6-2 wouldn't be playing to her strengths. She doesn't consistently set the Go, leaving a lot of balls inside and in defense, she's very stiff. The Wahine definitely needed another setter but given that a slide is less common in a 6-2, Byrd has inconsistent location, especially to the outside and poor defense, I don't think she's going to be more than Lang's back-up. In terms of the Libero position; it's a shame they didn't get Kaylei - I think she'd have done really well. Without her I'm interested to see what they do with Riley Wagoner. At the start of last year's pre-conference, UH were running a no libero, 6-2 (setters and middles) with all 4 pins playing 6 rotations. The problem (aside from JR's injury) was that Wagoner just wasn't putting the ball down. She terminated only 26% of her swings (almost 13% behind JR). I'll be interested to see if Coach Rob has given up on that experiment or not, although obviously 6-2 would mean Byrd at setter. It depends how much Riley has improved... With a bail out hitter like JR on the floor, it might still work because she could put the ball down OOS when Wagoner is struggling but it's really only worth it if Wagoner is terminating ~35%. If she can't hit better, Wagoner will have to pass better - she only had a good pass percentage of 49%. If she can pass ~55% good pass percentage she could be a solid libero (I know a lot of Hawaii fans want that) and that'd be huge for the Wahine, but that kind of jump is a lot tougher to do than to say. Either way, I think she'll get opportunities to play and I'll be interested to see how it comes together.
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Post by volleyguy on May 2, 2020 21:09:50 GMT -5
"...getting JR back would make them the best team in the conference so long as Lang is serviceable." Agreed. But don't forget we got Mylana Byrd - the 6'2" transfer setter from Alabama who is originally from Houston. I'm not as concerned about the setting position as I am the Libero position....that's the position that worries me the most.... I hadn't forgotten Byrd... I know Coach Rob is great with setters but I'm just not sure where Byrd fits on the roster (besides as a practice player). I watched 3 matches of hers before she lost the starting job in Bama (Alcorn State, Kennesaw State and Florida State) and while she does some things well; like running a slide and her blocking is OK (although I was expecting a bit more if I'm honest), using her in a 6-2 wouldn't be playing to her strengths. She doesn't consistently set the Go, leaving a lot of balls inside and in defense, she's very stiff. The Wahine definitely needed another setter but given that a slide is less common in a 6-2, Byrd has inconsistent location, especially to the outside and poor defense, I don't think she's going to be more than Lang's back-up. In terms of the Libero position; it's a shame they didn't get Kaylei - I think she'd have done really well. Without her I'm interested to see what they do with Riley Wagoner. At the start of last year's pre-conference, UH were running a no libero, 6-2 (setters and middles) with all 4 pins playing 6 rotations. The problem (aside from JR's injury) was that Wagoner just wasn't putting the ball down. She terminated only 26% of her swings (almost 13% behind JR). I'll be interested to see if Coach Rob has given up on that experiment or not, although obviously 6-2 would mean Byrd at setter. It depends how much Riley has improved... With a bail out hitter like JR on the floor, it might still work because she could put the ball down OOS when Wagoner is struggling but it's really only worth it if Wagoner is terminating ~35%. If she can't hit better, Wagoner will have to pass better - she only had a good pass percentage of 49%. If she can pass ~55% good pass percentage she could be a solid libero (I know a lot of Hawaii fans want that) and that'd be huge for the Wahine, but that kind of jump is a lot tougher to do than to say. Either way, I think she'll get opportunities to play and I'll be interested to see how it comes together. We all know Robyn can set. But frankly, I was a bit disappointed in Iosia's development as a setter. She had so much responsibility as a setter, hitter and server, etc. that it may not be fair to focus on that, but I'm still waiting to see what Robyn can do as a setter's coach. I think we'll know fairly soon with Lang coming in, but that kind of thing takes a long time to evaluate and know.
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Post by gouci on May 2, 2020 22:16:09 GMT -5
If I recall correctly I think UC San Diego RPI wise counts as D2 until they complete the reclassification process in 2024. If that's the case playing non D1 teams like UCSD doesn't count RPI wise in women's volleyball. It makes sense. UCSD has 4 years to get an entire roster of D1 players before they count RPI wise.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on May 3, 2020 0:26:18 GMT -5
I hadn't forgotten Byrd... I know Coach Rob is great with setters but I'm just not sure where Byrd fits on the roster (besides as a practice player). I watched 3 matches of hers before she lost the starting job in Bama (Alcorn State, Kennesaw State and Florida State) and while she does some things well; like running a slide and her blocking is OK (although I was expecting a bit more if I'm honest), using her in a 6-2 wouldn't be playing to her strengths. She doesn't consistently set the Go, leaving a lot of balls inside and in defense, she's very stiff. The Wahine definitely needed another setter but given that a slide is less common in a 6-2, Byrd has inconsistent location, especially to the outside and poor defense, I don't think she's going to be more than Lang's back-up. In terms of the Libero position; it's a shame they didn't get Kaylei - I think she'd have done really well. Without her I'm interested to see what they do with Riley Wagoner. At the start of last year's pre-conference, UH were running a no libero, 6-2 (setters and middles) with all 4 pins playing 6 rotations. The problem (aside from JR's injury) was that Wagoner just wasn't putting the ball down. She terminated only 26% of her swings (almost 13% behind JR). I'll be interested to see if Coach Rob has given up on that experiment or not, although obviously 6-2 would mean Byrd at setter. It depends how much Riley has improved... With a bail out hitter like JR on the floor, it might still work because she could put the ball down OOS when Wagoner is struggling but it's really only worth it if Wagoner is terminating ~35%. If she can't hit better, Wagoner will have to pass better - she only had a good pass percentage of 49%. If she can pass ~55% good pass percentage she could be a solid libero (I know a lot of Hawaii fans want that) and that'd be huge for the Wahine, but that kind of jump is a lot tougher to do than to say. Either way, I think she'll get opportunities to play and I'll be interested to see how it comes together. We all know Robyn can set. But frankly, I was a bit disappointeda in Iosia's development as a setter. She had so much responsibility as a setter, hitter and server, etc. that it may not be fair to focus on that, but I'm still waiting to see what Robyn can do as a setter's coach. I think we'll know fairly soon with Lang coming in, but that kind of thing takes a long time to evaluate and know. Do you forget how much Mita Uiato improved under Robyn’s tutelage?
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Post by hapaguy on May 3, 2020 1:33:44 GMT -5
"...getting JR back would make them the best team in the conference so long as Lang is serviceable." Agreed. But don't forget we got Mylana Byrd - the 6'2" transfer setter from Alabama who is originally from Houston. I'm not as concerned about the setting position as I am the Libero position....that's the position that worries me the most.... I hadn't forgotten Byrd... I know Coach Rob is great with setters but I'm just not sure where Byrd fits on the roster (besides as a practice player). I watched 3 matches of hers before she lost the starting job in Bama (Alcorn State, Kennesaw State and Florida State) and while she does some things well; like running a slide and her blocking is OK (although I was expecting a bit more if I'm honest), using her in a 6-2 wouldn't be playing to her strengths. She doesn't consistently set the Go, leaving a lot of balls inside and in defense, she's very stiff. The Wahine definitely needed another setter but given that a slide is less common in a 6-2, Byrd has inconsistent location, especially to the outside and poor defense, I don't think she's going to be more than Lang's back-up. In terms of the Libero position; it's a shame they didn't get Kaylei - I think she'd have done really well. Without her I'm interested to see what they do with Riley Wagoner. At the start of last year's pre-conference, UH were running a no libero, 6-2 (setters and middles) with all 4 pins playing 6 rotations. The problem (aside from JR's injury) was that Wagoner just wasn't putting the ball down. She terminated only 26% of her swings (almost 13% behind JR). I'll be interested to see if Coach Rob has given up on that experiment or not, although obviously 6-2 would mean Byrd at setter. It depends how much Riley has improved... With a bail out hitter like JR on the floor, it might still work because she could put the ball down OOS when Wagoner is struggling but it's really only worth it if Wagoner is terminating ~35%. If she can't hit better, Wagoner will have to pass better - she only had a good pass percentage of 49%. If she can pass ~55% good pass percentage she could be a solid libero (I know a lot of Hawaii fans want that) and that'd be huge for the Wahine, but that kind of jump is a lot tougher to do than to say. Either way, I think she'll get opportunities to play and I'll be interested to see how it comes together. Great analysis. I agree with everything you said. I think Robyn can work with Byrd though. The things you mentioned are correctable. As you are probably aware, the Hawaii program is very good at developing players. One caveat though is that with this COVID-19 pandemic there wont be a lot of time to work with the new incoming players.... As for the lib position, I was really hoping we would get a good transfer like we did with Akiu or going back a few years, Ali Longo. I agree with you about Riley. She was a pretty steady defender - much better at pass receive but it was definitely her hitting that kept her off the floor in the latter part of the season. It will be interesting to see how things shake out next year, if there is one!
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Post by volleyguy on May 3, 2020 1:45:34 GMT -5
We all know Robyn can set. But frankly, I was a bit disappointeda in Iosia's development as a setter. She had so much responsibility as a setter, hitter and server, etc. that it may not be fair to focus on that, but I'm still waiting to see what Robyn can do as a setter's coach. I think we'll know fairly soon with Lang coming in, but that kind of thing takes a long time to evaluate and know. Do you forget how much Mita Uiato improved under Robyn’s tutelage? I didn't forget. I just didn't notice it.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on May 3, 2020 2:08:02 GMT -5
Do you forget how much Mita Uiato improved under Robyn’s tutelage? I didn't forget. I just didn't notice it. We’re you sleeping? Lol. She was a three-time first team conference selection in her 3 years under Robyn (1 WAC, 2 Big West) and got better each year. Played professionally after her career at UH was done. Robyn had a tremendous influence on her growth.
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Post by volleyguy on May 3, 2020 2:22:33 GMT -5
I didn't forget. I just didn't notice it. We’re you sleeping? Lol. She was a three-time first team conference selection in her 3 years under Robyn (1 WAC, 2 Big West) and got better each year. Played professionally after her career at UH was done. Robyn had a tremendous influence on her growth. LOL! My bad. I was thinking of Faith Ma'afala. Assistant coaches only get credit on resumes and press releases. That was all Dave Shoji.
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Post by gouci on May 3, 2020 13:41:04 GMT -5
If I recall correctly I think UC San Diego RPI wise counts as D2 until they complete the reclassification process in 2024. If that's the case playing non D1 teams like UCSD doesn't count RPI wise in women's volleyball. It makes sense. UCSD has 4 years to get an entire roster of D1 players before they count RPI wise. Guys I'm sorry I made a mistake. I remember reading an article saying UCSD won't drag down the Big West RPI until 2024 and I took that to mean their matches won't count RPI wise. But I guess it just meant they are not technically part of the Big West until 2024 so their wins and loses won't be reflected in the Big West overall record until then. But then I remembered Cal Baptist jumped to D1 and is still transitioning into the WAC recently but their matches counted RPI wise. So UCSD's matches will count RPI wise starting in 2020 but they can't qualify in the NCAA tournament in their first 4 years even if they won the Big West by some miracle.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 21:47:15 GMT -5
If I recall correctly I think UC San Diego RPI wise counts as D2 until they complete the reclassification process in 2024. If that's the case playing non D1 teams like UCSD doesn't count RPI wise in women's volleyball. It makes sense. UCSD has 4 years to get an entire roster of D1 players before they count RPI wise. Guys I'm sorry I made a mistake. I remember reading an article saying UCSD won't drag down the Big West RPI until 2024 and I took that to mean their matches won't count RPI wise. But I guess it just meant they are not technically part of the Big West until 2024 so their wins and loses won't be reflected in the Big West overall record until then. But then I remembered Cal Baptist jumped to D1 and is still transitioning into the WAC recently but their matches counted RPI wise. So UCSD's matches will count RPI wise starting in 2020 but they can't qualify in the NCAA tournament in their first 4 years even if they won the Big West by some miracle. Yes, they count for RPI. UCSD, Bakersfield, and the UCSB drop off will make it tough for the BW to send two teams to the tournament in 2020, let alone three. Both Poly and Hawaii need to schedule the strongest pre-conference they can.
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Post by medusa on May 4, 2020 9:26:11 GMT -5
I haven't heard any thing on what's going to happen to the 2020 season, is it still on?
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Post by medusa on May 4, 2020 9:32:02 GMT -5
What is UH schedule pertaining to preseason?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 11:47:02 GMT -5
What is UH schedule pertaining to preseason? It hasn't been finalized yet but cross-country travel is getting nixed. Texas, Nebraska, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Stanford have all cancelled trips. Big West are discussing a few proposals, one of which is limiting teams to a 400m radius for non-conference opponents. Given Hawaii is 2,400 miles from California, I expect they'd have a different, but comparable, restriction.
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Post by medusa on May 4, 2020 12:24:40 GMT -5
What is UH schedule pertaining to preseason? It hasn't been finalized yet but cross-country travel is getting nixed. Texas, Nebraska, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Stanford have all cancelled trips. Big West are discussing a few proposals, one of which is limiting teams to a 400m radius for non-conference opponents. Given Hawaii is 2,400 miles from California, I expect they'd have a different, but comparable, restriction. If that's the case, looks like this preseason might not even pan out. It's sp heart breaking, if they don't have a seaon after all....
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 12:37:50 GMT -5
It hasn't been finalized yet but cross-country travel is getting nixed. Texas, Nebraska, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Stanford have all cancelled trips. Big West are discussing a few proposals, one of which is limiting teams to a 400m radius for non-conference opponents. Given Hawaii is 2,400 miles from California, I expect they'd have a different, but comparable, restriction. If that's the case, looks like this preseason might not even pan out. It's sp heart breaking, if they don't have a seaon after all.... Huh? The restrictions are about saving money. I think the mood right now is that a season will be held, but restrictions will be in place. Obviously that can change but I wouldn't break your heart yet.
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