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Post by Wolfgang on Jul 29, 2020 23:09:34 GMT -5
Well, so much for the beginning of the Tuaniga era at LBSU and the Cannon era at UCSD. Have to wait a year.
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Post by brooselee on Jul 30, 2020 3:23:16 GMT -5
I don’t know....I understand that even if the P5 schools go ahead and play fall sports, it would probably be conference only so if that’s the case, other conferences should have no impact on when the BW decides to play.
With the unstable situation in California and now in Hawaii, I would prefer that we play a spring season with a clear mind then to play a fall season with everybody on edge. I don’t see any positive to play now if other conferences play conference matches only.
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Post by thebeach1 on Jul 30, 2020 10:10:48 GMT -5
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Post by beachgrad on Jul 31, 2020 18:13:34 GMT -5
With the PAC 12 announcing they will be playing in the fall, and I expect the WCC to do the same, the BW will be on the sidelines for any post season play this season with their announced spring season. It now looks like the fall season will be a NCAA season with a championship tourney so the BW matches will just be spring scrimmages with conference foes, not much different than a typical spring. I hope the BW reconsiders if the other western conference make it a go.
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Post by proftubed on Jul 31, 2020 18:45:07 GMT -5
With the PAC 12 announcing they will be playing in the fall, and I expect the WCC to do the same, the BW will be on the sidelines for any post season play this season with their announced spring season. It now looks like the fall season will be a NCAA season with a championship tourney so the BW matches will just be spring scrimmages with conference foes, not much different than a typical spring. I hope the BW reconsiders if the other western conference make it a go. The Big West season-ship has sailed, my friend. The players were informed to expect socially distanced practices starting in October and have now dispersed around the globe. I think you're correct to anticipate that the spring season will be more similar to traditional spring ball than a full-NCAA season. But, COVID hasn't disappeared, and I anticipate the Pac12 and WCC having outbreaks of the virus spread when they return to practicing, let alone traveling for games. The Big West made the right decision based on player/coach/staff safety and sanity. At least they can now proceed toward spring games without the COVID cloud hanging over their heads.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 18:50:44 GMT -5
With the PAC 12 announcing they will be playing in the fall, and I expect the WCC to do the same, the BW will be on the sidelines for any post season play this season with their announced spring season. It now looks like the fall season will be a NCAA season with a championship tourney so the BW matches will just be spring scrimmages with conference foes, not much different than a typical spring. I hope the BW reconsiders if the other western conference make it a go. The Big West season-ship has sailed, my friend. The players were informed to expect socially distanced practices starting in October and have now dispersed around the globe. I think you're correct to anticipate that the spring season will be more similar to traditional spring ball than a full-NCAA season. But, COVID hasn't disappeared, and I anticipate the Pac12 and WCC having outbreaks of the virus spread when they return to practicing, let alone traveling for games. The Big West made the right decision based on player/coach/staff safety and sanity. At least they can now proceed toward spring games without the COVID cloud hanging over their heads. Schools in both the Pac and WCC have already had outbreaks but at least one school in the BW has also had multiple players test positive, so canceling the season doesn't immunize the players against the virus. The BW decision was primarily motivated by finances, not health.
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Post by proftubed on Jul 31, 2020 19:14:49 GMT -5
Correct, canceling the season doesn't immunize players against the virus. But, for those kids who are taking every precaution they can to not get sick (or spread the virus to family), they now can rest assured that they can avoid contact with teammates and opponents they see not taking the same precautions. The players all follow one-another on social media, and the appalling lack of concern about contracting and spreading COVID by quite a few should concern us all. This isn't just a Big West issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 19:33:14 GMT -5
Correct, canceling the season doesn't immunize players against the virus. But, for those kids who are taking every precaution they can to not get sick (or spread the virus to family), they now can rest assured that they can avoid contact with teammates and opponents they see not taking the same precautions. The players all follow one-another on social media, and the appalling lack of concern about contracting and spreading COVID by quite a few should concern us all. This isn't just a Big West issue. Agree on all counts. But I've yet to see the data to show that athletes inside a well provisioned bubble are inherently safer than those outside it and, unfortunately, I know quite a few collegiate athletes who have contracted the virus DESPITE their best efforts to avoid it. The implication in your post that the BW's decision was motivated by a greater sense of care than the Pac or WCC is not true. The BW made their decision (which I support btw) because their member schools couldn't justify the expense of running fall sports during a pandemic. Comparing the decisions of different conferences with different priorities and limitations is, ultimately, like comparing apples and oranges.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jul 31, 2020 19:44:56 GMT -5
Correct, canceling the season doesn't immunize players against the virus. But, for those kids who are taking every precaution they can to not get sick (or spread the virus to family), they now can rest assured that they can avoid contact with teammates and opponents they see not taking the same precautions. The players all follow one-another on social media, and the appalling lack of concern about contracting and spreading COVID by quite a few should concern us all. This isn't just a Big West issue. Those Big-Boy conferences and schools (one of which I am an alumnus of) are '"flying blind" as to anything that may occur from now 'til the end of conference-only; even if they attempt an NCAA championship, any winner will have a huge * attached!
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Post by brooselee on Jul 31, 2020 23:09:39 GMT -5
Someone mentioned on a Hawaii Sports forum that Commissioner Butterly was on a local talk show and stated that the big reason for the cancellation/postponement is that some of the BW schools does not have the financial capability to do constant testings. Some also don’t have the ability to meet the testing deadline...meaning have the testing results back within 72 hours before a match. Universities with medical schools will have an easier time following that protocol. Schools without medical schools are at the mercy of whatever labs their testings get sent to.
If that is the case, I think postponing the season is smart. I hate to be in a situation where one teams is scheduled to play and their lab tests have yet to be processed and putting the match in limbo. If they have to fly to Hawaii, they won’t be able to come if the players are not cleared to play. I can’t see going through a season where every week is full of uncertainties.
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Post by eldorado on Aug 1, 2020 0:17:03 GMT -5
So what happens if P5 gets 2/3 through their season (with some stops and starts due to players testing positive) things get worse and they have to shut it down, no tourney, no redshirt it’s over. Meanwhile by spring a vaccine has been tested and is working out, the rest of the conferences who were left behind by the P5 begin their seasons. Will P5 be allowed to resurrect their season and somehow join in with the rest? Or because they left the rest initially would they be shut out?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 0:27:07 GMT -5
So what happens if P5 gets 2/3 through their season (with some stops and starts due to players testing positive) things get worse and they have to shut it down, no tourney, no redshirt it’s over. Meanwhile by spring a vaccine has been tested and is working out, the rest of the conferences who were left behind by the P5 begin their seasons. Will P5 be allowed to resurrect their season and somehow join in with the rest? Or because they left the rest initially would they be shut out? In that scenario, with an efficacious and widely available vaccine, I expect the P5 would pick up their seasons. But I don't think anyone is anticipating a vaccine being widely available until the summer, so I don't think you'll have that guarantee. If the fall season got 70% of the way through and failed, I would be surprised if the NCAA attempted a do-over in the spring.
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Post by vtnewb on Aug 1, 2020 3:11:54 GMT -5
With the PAC 12 announcing they will be playing in the fall, and I expect the WCC to do the same, the BW will be on the sidelines for any post season play this season with their announced spring season. It now looks like the fall season will be a NCAA season with a championship tourney so the BW matches will just be spring scrimmages with conference foes, not much different than a typical spring. I hope the BW reconsiders if the other western conference make it a go. The Big West season-ship has sailed, my friend. The players were informed to expect socially distanced practices starting in October and have now dispersed around the globe. I think you're correct to anticipate that the spring season will be more similar to traditional spring ball than a full-NCAA season. But, COVID hasn't disappeared, and I anticipate the Pac12 and WCC having outbreaks of the virus spread when they return to practicing, let alone traveling for games. The Big West made the right decision based on player/coach/staff safety and sanity. At least they can now proceed toward spring games without the COVID cloud hanging over their heads. COVID cloud is now not hanging over their heads? Do you think these girls don’t want to compete for a championship if there is one to be had? There will be no effective Inoculation or vaccine but still probably no sick kids. There will still be positive tests. Outbreaks of positive tests but probably no sick kids. Kids, in general, have done much better than I’d expect at social distancing. Obviously not 100% but look at how few people you have seen recently with flu-like symptoms. What are we trying to do here? I guess cancel forever.
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Post by vtnewb on Aug 1, 2020 3:13:08 GMT -5
Well, so much for the beginning of the Tuaniga era at LBSU and the Cannon era at UCSD. Have to wait a year. Gag
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Post by HawaiiVB on Aug 1, 2020 14:34:06 GMT -5
www.staradvertiser.com/2020/07/30/hawaii-news/uh-to-take-financial-hit-with-womens-volleyball-postponed/I do not own the rights to this article Honolulu Star-Advertiser Saturday, August 1, 2020 University of Hawaii to take financial hit with women’s volleyball postponed by Fred Lewis The first fall without Rainbow Wahine volleyball in the school’s 47-year history figures to be expensive for the University of Hawaii. The Big West Conference on Wednesday announced it was postponing its fall sports, including women’s volleyball, soccer and cross country due to the impact of COVID-19. No decision was announced about whether they would play in the spring. In fiscal year 2019, the most recent year for which audited figures are available, the Rainbow Wahine were responsible for approximately 14% of the athletic department’s ticket sales revenue, an example of the money that could be lost if UH doesn’t play in the winter or spring. While the Rainbow Wahine don’t bring in the overall revenue of football or men’s basketball, they also operate less expensively and can be, in some seasons, the best per dollar revenue generator among the athletic department’s 21 teams. In some of their best years the Rainbow Wahine have brought in as much as $2.02 for every dollar spent since they have fewer players than football, lower coaching staff salaries than football or men’s basketball and lower recruiting and travel costs. In fiscal year 2019, the most recent year for which audited figures are available, the Rainbow Wahine produced $1,678,992 in direct revenue against $1,414,668 in expenses. This does not include indirect revenue, including media rights, concessions and other areas. According to its overall radio rights contract with Blow Up LLC, which broadcasts on KKEA 1420-AM, the school is due a base fee of $200,000 for the current fiscal year that began July 1 and is to make all home and away matches available to the station. In its last announced TV rights agreement with Spectrum, UH was required to make at least 60 sports events from its inventory available, though there was no minimum on Wahine volleyball matches and no requirement that they be in the fall.
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