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Post by Maui’s Hook on Mar 10, 2020 23:44:10 GMT -5
Two thoughts: If we shutdown all of these places where people gather like schools and events, and allow them more time to go do whatever they want, won’t they still come in contact with massive amounts of people? I mean, without quarantining every single person, won’t this still spread. Second thought, may be a PSA, definitely more for the Coronavirus part of all of this, definitely not the Junior VB part. This first article is from NIH in 2004. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15316239/Subsequent studies from multiple agencies seem to agree with this original NIH study; an orgasm a day keeps the doctor away. While there is a positive correlation with IgA (Immunoglobulin A) and arousal /orgasm, there is also an increase in IgA with petting a dog, but not a stuffed dog. Sources: Charnetski CJ, Brennan FX. Sexual frequency and salivary immunoglobulin A (IgA). Psychology Report , 2004;94:839-44. Charnetski CJ, Riggers S, Brennan FX. Effect of petting a dog on immune system function. Psychology Report , 2004;95:1087-91. Who would have thought that our innate stance on procreation would also increase our chances of survival? Off you go.
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Post by lukeskywalker on Mar 11, 2020 5:53:38 GMT -5
As more and more colleges shut down. College coaches will be unable to attend these events. Which will cause clubs to not attend either. While the event may still go on. I think it’s fair to say the overall number of people completing and watch will drastically drop
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Post by future on Mar 11, 2020 6:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by pepperbrooks on Mar 11, 2020 6:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by rogero1 on Mar 11, 2020 6:48:31 GMT -5
What we do know is that the very young are not susceptible to the disease, but the older people are, anyone older than their fifties. Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune will be taping in front of an empty studio because their audience are often older people and of course Trebek is undergoing chemo and he is in his 70's, their studio announcer is 95. The pandemic was growing quickly until China took draconian measures and the numbers of infection have dropped off the cliff because they did what they did. Italy is doing the same thing now. Technical conferences are being canceled right and left, SXSW is canceled. DEF CON China is called. Dell World and Apple are doing virtual conferences. The biggest shocker to me is that they are talking about cancelling Coachella, that's a lot of influencers and big money. The thing that puzzles me is that people are citing the death rate as being so low as to be not reason enough to change our immediate way of life, as if there is a threshold of death which makes it acceptable. The point of this is to isolate and stop the spread of the disease, not just to prevent deaths. MEQ starts in ten days. No word yet. MIVA Men’s Club Championships lost tOSU as a site for March 28-29. wexnermedical.osu.edu/features/coronavirus/staff-and-students
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Post by justahick on Mar 11, 2020 7:06:52 GMT -5
People are blowing this stuff way out of proportion. 15k people die in USA alone each year from flu. How many have died from this world wide, 3-4 k. The mass hysteria needs to stop. It said this virus has killed about 4k worldwide. The flu kills between 300k and 650k a year. I think people are being ridiculous Since people keep comparing COVID-19 to the flu, here's a graphical representation of why that's a poor comparison: Do you understand they count the the number of people who get the flu every year?
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Post by n00b on Mar 11, 2020 7:51:20 GMT -5
These decisions by major universities, state governments and companies like Google to mitigate human mingling is not one based on tweets, hysteria and Op Eds and I'm fairly confident these practices are put in place for a well thought out, advised and debated rationale. IMO their rationale is primarily one of liability and complaint mitigation. Send kids away from campus to be somewhere else with different kids is only going to spread social circles that would have otherwise been more contained. This is especially true for schools extending spring break for an extra week - what do kids do during spring break? ... go warm places to hang out with other kids... What is the incubation time for COV19? ... about 2 weeks. So in 3 weeks they are bringing back together the people that they just spread out to virtually guarantee that someone will bring the virus back to campus. Containment strategies might have worked a month ago if universally applied (practically impossible in the US) - way too late now. All the closing schools are doing is making it somebody else's problem. Schools are also the one business that have no downside to closing their doors. I’m sure they aren’t giving students partial refunds for this years tuition. And they’re saving loads of money by telling all of their students they have to leave.
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Post by future on Mar 11, 2020 7:56:50 GMT -5
All hands on Deck www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/politics/what-matters-coronavirus-is-about-to-change-your-life/index.htmlDr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, issued a disturbing warning during a White House briefing Tuesday: Americans everywhere need to change the way they live their lives. Right now. "We would like the country to realize that as a nation, we can't be doing the kinds of things we were doing a few months ago. It doesn't matter if you're in a state that has no cases or one case," Fauci said, referring Americans to the new federal Coronavirus.gov website for details on precautions to take at home, at work and out in the world. "If and when the infections will come -- and they will come, sorry to say, sad to say -- when you're dealing with an infectious disease... we want to be where the infection is going to be, as well as where it is," Fauci said. "Everybody should say, 'All hands on deck,'" he added.He's not alone in saying that this is the moment to contain coronavirus. We are at an inflection point, according to Thomas Bossert, a former homeland security adviser to President Donald Trump, writing in The Washington Post. It's worth reading his entire piece, but the key point is this: "Officials must pull the trigger on aggressive interventions. Time matters. Two weeks of delay can mean the difference between success and failure. Public health experts learned this in 1918 when the Spanish flu killed 50 million to 100 million people around the globe. If we fail to take action, we will watch our health-care system be overwhelmed."He compared the lax early actions in Italy, which is now under national lockdown, with the more strict and invasive early actions in Singapore and Hong Kong. (Read this for a taste of what the first day of containment was like in Italy.)Bossert also said Americans have to prepare to be out of their daily rhythms for weeks: "How long? Epidemiologists suggest eight weeks might be needed to arrest this outbreak. Administrators, students, teachers and parents need to get busy figuring out how to continue the education of our children while contributing to this community-wide public health effort."
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Post by justahick on Mar 11, 2020 8:09:22 GMT -5
IMO their rationale is primarily one of liability and complaint mitigation. Send kids away from campus to be somewhere else with different kids is only going to spread social circles that would have otherwise been more contained. This is especially true for schools extending spring break for an extra week - what do kids do during spring break? ... go warm places to hang out with other kids... What is the incubation time for COV19? ... about 2 weeks. So in 3 weeks they are bringing back together the people that they just spread out to virtually guarantee that someone will bring the virus back to campus. Containment strategies might have worked a month ago if universally applied (practically impossible in the US) - way too late now. All the closing schools are doing is making it somebody else's problem. Schools are also the one business that have no downside to closing their doors. I’m sure they aren’t giving students partial refunds for this years tuition. And they’re saving loads of money by telling all of their students they have to leave. Half right, I think - not much to lose, but not saving significant money either. They will still have to pay most of the staff and maintain the facilities.
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Post by justahick on Mar 11, 2020 8:13:29 GMT -5
All hands on Deck www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/politics/what-matters-coronavirus-is-about-to-change-your-life/index.htmlDr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, issued a disturbing warning during a White House briefing Tuesday: Americans everywhere need to change the way they live their lives. Right now. "We would like the country to realize that as a nation, we can't be doing the kinds of things we were doing a few months ago. It doesn't matter if you're in a state that has no cases or one case," Fauci said, referring Americans to the new federal Coronavirus.gov website for details on precautions to take at home, at work and out in the world. "If and when the infections will come -- and they will come, sorry to say, sad to say -- when you're dealing with an infectious disease... we want to be where the infection is going to be, as well as where it is," Fauci said. "Everybody should say, 'All hands on deck,'" he added.He's not alone in saying that this is the moment to contain coronavirus. We are at an inflection point, according to Thomas Bossert, a former homeland security adviser to President Donald Trump, writing in The Washington Post. It's worth reading his entire piece, but the key point is this: "Officials must pull the trigger on aggressive interventions. Time matters. Two weeks of delay can mean the difference between success and failure. Public health experts learned this in 1918 when the Spanish flu killed 50 million to 100 million people around the globe. If we fail to take action, we will watch our health-care system be overwhelmed."He compared the lax early actions in Italy, which is now under national lockdown, with the more strict and invasive early actions in Singapore and Hong Kong. (Read this for a taste of what the first day of containment was like in Italy.)Bossert also said Americans have to prepare to be out of their daily rhythms for weeks: "How long? Epidemiologists suggest eight weeks might be needed to arrest this outbreak. Administrators, students, teachers and parents need to get busy figuring out how to continue the education of our children while contributing to this community-wide public health effort." Except I feel like we are about a week or two too late for containment to be effective.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 9:34:08 GMT -5
Since people keep comparing COVID-19 to the flu, here's a graphical representation of why that's a poor comparison: Do you understand they count the the number of people who get the flu every year? Did you miss the word how from this sentence? Are you seeking the methodology behind the graphic? If so, this will answer your questions: ourworldindata.org/coronavirus If not, I'm afraid I didn't understand your question.
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Post by Phaedrus on Mar 11, 2020 9:45:31 GMT -5
IMO their rationale is primarily one of liability and complaint mitigation. Send kids away from campus to be somewhere else with different kids is only going to spread social circles that would have otherwise been more contained. This is especially true for schools extending spring break for an extra week - what do kids do during spring break? ... go warm places to hang out with other kids... What is the incubation time for COV19? ... about 2 weeks. So in 3 weeks they are bringing back together the people that they just spread out to virtually guarantee that someone will bring the virus back to campus. Containment strategies might have worked a month ago if universally applied (practically impossible in the US) - way too late now. All the closing schools are doing is making it somebody else's problem. Schools are also the one business that have no downside to closing their doors. I’m sure they aren’t giving students partial refunds for this years tuition. And they’re saving loads of money by telling all of their students they have to leave. Except for foreign students who can't go home and grad students who live in the dorms because it is cost prohibitive.
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Post by n00b on Mar 11, 2020 9:45:57 GMT -5
Do you understand they count the the number of people who get the flu every year? Did you miss the word how from this sentence? Are you seeking the methodology behind the graphic? If so, this will answer your questions: ourworldindata.org/coronavirus If not, I'm afraid I didn't understand your question. There are not easily accessible tests for COVID (yet). So almost by definition, people being tested for it are disproportionately the most severe cases. It seems likely that a LOT of people had some mild flu-like symptoms and never went to the doctor when they actually had COVID. Because these people weren’t tested (and fully recovered), the mortality rate for COVID is probably inflated. It actually even says that in the graphic. For they flu, they use an estimated number of cases because many people have it but aren’t tested. For COVID, they’re strictly using deaths/positive tests. (None of this is to say that we shouldn’t take this seriously, but that I don’t believe the 3% mortality rate that has been widely circulated is the actual rate).
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Post by n00b on Mar 11, 2020 9:47:18 GMT -5
Schools are also the one business that have no downside to closing their doors. I’m sure they aren’t giving students partial refunds for this years tuition. And they’re saving loads of money by telling all of their students they have to leave. Except for foreign students who can't go home and grad students who live in the dorms because it is cost prohibitive. What are schools doing with these students?
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Post by reader on Mar 11, 2020 9:47:25 GMT -5
Since people keep comparing COVID-19 to the flu, here's a graphical representation of why that's a poor comparison: Do you understand they count the the number of people who get the flu every year? I was just on my way to point out the various problems with most of these numbers. For one thing comparing baseline China vs USA is not a great idea given the huge disparities in smoking rates. Further consider that you're not really comparing the diseases so much as trying to see around the impact that the flu vaccine has on that disease in the US vs the undetected, untreated spread of COVID in China. Also note that the data is a month old and as more COVID19 testing occurs and more cases are diagnosed the rates will drop. So they are different, but a lot of the difference is in how little we know about it. If we could detect it more easily the denominator would be larger and the rates might be less scary. If there were a vaccine we could protect the more vulnerable communities like we do for flu. So until we know more it'll be worse, but there's a good chance this graph won't look like this in ten years when we understand the disease more fully.
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