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Post by zzyzx on Mar 11, 2020 9:56:58 GMT -5
SCVA update for regional events: "American Sports Center is installing hand sanitizer dispensers on each column throughout the rows of courts. Momentous Sports Center will be increasing the amount of hand sanitizers in high traffic areas, and will also be supplying hand sanitizers on each score keepers tables."
And inter-regional events: "MGM Properties are placing hand sanitizer dispensing stations in high traffic areas, adding washing stations, and increasing the frequency of disinfectant procedures. In addition, the SCVA will be adding hand sanitizers to each score keepers table, results stations, and championships desks."
So, hand sanitizer for everyone! Also of note, MGM resorts in Las Vegas has temporarily closed the buffets at all properties. Not sure where visitors will eat. The horror šØ
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 9:58:12 GMT -5
Did you miss the word how from this sentence? Are you seeking the methodology behind the graphic? If so, this will answer your questions: ourworldindata.org/coronavirus If not, I'm afraid I didn't understand your question. There are not easily accessible tests for COVID (yet). So almost by definition, people being tested for it are disproportionately the most severe cases. It seems likely that a LOT of people had some mild flu-like symptoms and never went to the doctor when they actually had COVID. Because these people werenāt tested (and fully recovered), the mortality rate for COVID is probably inflated. It actually even says that in the graphic. For they flu, they use an estimated number of cases because many people have it but arenāt tested. For COVID, theyāre strictly using deaths/positive tests. (None of this is to say that we shouldnāt take this seriously, but that I donāt believe the 3% mortality rate that has been widely circulated is the actual rate). You should read the article. It goes to a good level of depth on the data as we know it and discusses the under-reporting (the numbers above are based on modeling). Regarding COVID-19 there is also a distinct likelihood that some nations are underreporting cases/fatalities. As of yesterday, Iran, for instance, had declared less than ~7000 cases of the virus. According to modeling and analysis from known cases, experts suspect the real number of cases in Iran could be between 500,000 - 6 million! Likewise, the notion that the Chinese official tally is accurate is almost certainly false. There is too much at stake (politically) and too many statistical inconsistencies, to trust that these nations are self reporting accurately. All of this is to say that panic is never helpful. But neither are lazily regurgitated sound-bites like "the flu has killed more people" in terms of remaining well informed and vigilant.
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Post by verycurious on Mar 11, 2020 10:05:41 GMT -5
As more and more colleges shut down. College coaches will be unable to attend these events. Which will cause clubs to not attend either. While the event may still go on. I think itās fair to say the overall number of people completing and watch will drastically drop As schools shut down, that doesn't mean employees (coaches included) aren't working. Unless they have a travel restriction within the US, (which I haven't heard a school doing as of yet) I'd think it's a personal choice if a coach wants to be in a convention center with a crowd of people. I understand that clubs attend events for recruiting purposes. I'd think in the case of qualifiers that they're trying to qualify as well. They may not want to qualify if they don't want to travel to Dallas/Reno because of the uncertainty at this time. I just don't know how much of a factor college coaches not attending events will be a factor in not attending an event at this point since this is health based.
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Post by Phaedrus on Mar 11, 2020 10:09:33 GMT -5
Here are three articlea talking about the comparison between the Spanish flu and the #COVID19. www.news-medical.net/news/20200309/How-does-COVID-19-coronavirus-compare-to-the-1918-Spanish-flu.aspxGist of this article is: - Cause of death for both is pneumonia.
- Death rate for #COVID19 is lower than Spanish Flu
- #COVID19 threatens older adults and immunocompromised people
- Spread was slower in the Spanish flu pandemic
- Fatality rate worse in Spanish flu
- Better public health and modern innovations
The Spanish flu lasted for two years, and a vast majority of deaths happened occurred in the fall of 1918, while the second wave of the outbreak was caused by a mutated virus spread by a wartime troop movement.
Here is something from LA Times. A different take, an interview with an author who is an expert on the Spanish Flu. www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-03-11/1918-flu-epidemic-coronavirusDoes peopleās behavior alter, or are we at heart the same scared, selfish creatures weāve been for thousands of years?I think weāre the same inconsistent creatures weāve been for thousands of years. In Europe, 40,000 people will probably die from seasonal flu this winter. Nobody is panicking about that. And in a sense, thatās understandable, because we know a lot more about the flu. Thereās a flu season every year. We sort of know what to expect.
Whereas we donāt know what to expect from this coronavirus.
But in another way, it suggests that weāve got things out of perspective. And I think that in some ways weāre very irrational and we react to the news cycle. If we could just draw back a little bit and see that HIV has been killing legions of people for decades. TB is on the rise because thereās anti-microbial resistance, which means that the drugs arenāt working that well anymore. Childhood diseases are coming back largely because of vaccine hesitancy.
I mean, this could go very big, this coronavirus. But at the same time, itās not the only problem, and we mustnāt lose sight of the others.After the flu epidemic there were world-shaking political consequences.
When 50 million people die, or 2.5% of the human population, which is what weāre talking about, that is not negligible. That is going to have an impact.
If you take the example of South Africa, there were already the stirrings of what would become apartheid. There had been talk of segregating towns along color lines, but nothing had been translated into law. And you see that translation into law happening from the 1920s.
One of the arguments I made in my book, for which I think thereās pretty good evidence, is that the epidemic gave a big spur to that legislation because white people blamed very explicitly black people for bringing in the disease without any evidence whatsoever. In fact the black population suffered much worse than the white population in terms of percentages in South Africa.
In India, when the pandemic struck, it became absolutely blatantly clear to everyone how dismally the British colonial authorities had provided for the healthcare of the indigenous population. People were dying in droves and in the absence of any British doctors ā the British doctors there were, were very often at the front as well ā the hole was even more glaring.
The people who stepped into that [medical] breach tended to be the militants, the grassroots militant activists for independence who had already worked out how to cross caste barriers and work together for a different goal, i.e. independence.
Once the pandemic passed, emotion against the British was even higher than it had been before. And secondly, those people were far more united than they had been. And now they came together behind Gandhi. He found that suddenly, he had the grassroots support that he had been lacking until then.
You see from the 1920s, the field of virology takes off, also the field of epidemiology, and epidemiology is the cornerstone of good public health.
You see the discussion around socialized healthcare, the idea of a universal healthcare system thatās free at the point of delivery, start. Theyād already been ongoing for a couple of decades, but now they really start coming together.
And then the other really important thing is, is a global health agency. The League of Nations had a health branch ā essentially the forerunner of the World Health Organization, which was created in 1946.
Of course, itās the World Health Organization that is managing the global response to this current outbreak. But what I think is interesting is that these days, the World Health Organization has less sway than it had in the past. Itās chronically underfunded by its member nations. And many of them have ignored its recommendations during this outbreak.
Weāve forgotten a lot of the lessons that we learned after the Spanish flu and other pandemics, and we may be about to learn them again.
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One of the things thatās become clear about managing any epidemic is that they tend to grow very fast in the first weeks or months. You can think of it like a forest fire that initially, when it sparks is surrounded by dry wood and so it just takes off, and then it gradually burns up its fuel and it runs out of fuel and it slows down and gradually it burns itself out.
An epidemic is a little bit the same, in the sense that itās initially surrounded by everybody susceptible. As it burns through those hosts, either kills them or leaves them to some extent immune, it runs out of hosts and so gradually burns out.
If you can slow down that initial pattern of growth, that initial period of growth, you can make a massive difference in terms of how many people will eventually suffer from this pandemic overall.
How are we doing?
In retrospect, I think the Chinese did an amazing job. We see now that the rate of new cases in China is slowed down dramatically. We shouldnāt be complacent, but that is encouraging. That means that, OK, it took a certain authoritarian regime to enact it. www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/coronavirus-flu-healthcare-symptoms/www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/11/metro/7-steps-we-can-take-right-now-slow-spread-coronavirus-according-infectious-disease-experts/Cancel concerts, conferences, parades, and yes, even the Boston Marathon.
āThe key thing is to reduce contact between people, and thatās especially true for vulnerable people,ā said Marc Lipsitch, an infectious disease epidemiologist and microbiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. āAnd the ways to do that include a lot of different things: The canceling of big events is one ā and a really important one ā and that includes, unfortunately, things that a lot of us like to do."
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Post by Phaedrus on Mar 11, 2020 10:10:14 GMT -5
Except for foreign students who can't go home and grad students who live in the dorms because it is cost prohibitive. What are schools doing with these students? As far as I know, nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 10:11:14 GMT -5
As more and more colleges shut down. College coaches will be unable to attend these events. Which will cause clubs to not attend either. While the event may still go on. I think itās fair to say the overall number of people completing and watch will drastically drop As schools shut down, that doesn't mean employees (coaches included) aren't working. Unless they have a travel restriction within the US, (which I haven't heard a school doing as of yet) I'd think it's a personal choice if a coach wants to be in a convention center with a crowd of people. I understand that clubs attend events for recruiting purposes. I'd think in the case of qualifiers that they're trying to qualify as well. They may not want to qualify if they don't want to travel to Dallas/Reno because of the uncertainty at this time. I just don't know how much of a factor college coaches not attending events will be a factor in not attending an event at this point since this is health based. In terms of coaches, this is correct. Even as schools were going into lockdown yesterday, coaches were preparing for Crossroads. VB coaches are made of sterner stuff!
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Post by justahick on Mar 11, 2020 10:21:31 GMT -5
As more and more colleges shut down. College coaches will be unable to attend these events. Which will cause clubs to not attend either. While the event may still go on. I think itās fair to say the overall number of people completing and watch will drastically drop As schools shut down, that doesn't mean employees (coaches included) aren't working. Unless they have a travel restriction within the US, (which I haven't heard a school doing as of yet) I'd think it's a personal choice if a coach wants to be in a convention center with a crowd of people. I understand that clubs attend events for recruiting purposes. I'd think in the case of qualifiers that they're trying to qualify as well. They may not want to qualify if they don't want to travel to Dallas/Reno because of the uncertainty at this time. I just don't know how much of a factor college coaches not attending events will be a factor in not attending an event at this point since this is health based. Harvard has forbidden flying anywhere. I'm sure others have done the same.
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Post by Boof1224 on Mar 11, 2020 10:25:21 GMT -5
As schools shut down, that doesn't mean employees (coaches included) aren't working. Unless they have a travel restriction within the US, (which I haven't heard a school doing as of yet) I'd think it's a personal choice if a coach wants to be in a convention center with a crowd of people. I understand that clubs attend events for recruiting purposes. I'd think in the case of qualifiers that they're trying to qualify as well. They may not want to qualify if they don't want to travel to Dallas/Reno because of the uncertainty at this time. I just don't know how much of a factor college coaches not attending events will be a factor in not attending an event at this point since this is health based. Harvard has forbidden flying anywhere. I'm sure others have done the same. . You canāt forbid people to do anything. This is idiotic
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Post by BuckysHeat on Mar 11, 2020 10:31:13 GMT -5
why are people comparing this to the flu? . Two reasons: 1) A complete lack of faith in the media by a segment of the population and the assumption that everything the media says is being blown out of proportion to get ratings and dollars. Of course those very same people would be screaming about a complete lack of information if they got their way and the media shut down 2) A rejection of science by the same people who typically scream about #1
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Post by justahick on Mar 11, 2020 10:33:13 GMT -5
Harvard has forbidden flying anywhere. I'm sure others have done the same. . You canāt forbid people to do anything. This is idiotic poor choice of words on my part...employees are not allowed to fly on school business...ie, they will not pay for flights.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 11, 2020 10:33:21 GMT -5
Harvard has forbidden flying anywhere. I'm sure others have done the same. . You canāt forbid people to do anything. This is idiotic Well, actually, you can. For instance, you are forbidden from bringing a gun through airport security, right? You are forbidden from setting your neighbor's house on fire. You are forbidden from doing many things.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Mar 11, 2020 10:33:30 GMT -5
Your quoting statistics from the Spanish flu from over 100 years ago. Not even a comparable scenario and exactly the type of tactics that the media is using daily to stir up this frenzy. Again, use caution and not overreact. ^^^^^ The spanish flu had a l ot of young people die because of overdosing on aspirin. The dosage was about 100X one of today's tablets and people took/gave to kids to get their fevers down... The comparison is beyond irresponsible. Even trying to extrapolate the Italian rates to anywhere is INSANE. It is better for people to do their own learning to actually convince themselves. Go research italy's death rate for H1N1 (2009) compared to ANY first world country. You will see Italy has a real issue not killing people that get hospitalized there (and maybe that will make you think why). Finally, the mortality rate on this disease is pure BS. It is unknown. You have a fairly accurate NUMERATOR (that is skewed by CLUSTERS) but you are dividing by the wrong DENOMINATOR. The number infected is completely unknown because 90% of the people that have tested positive either have NO symptoms or a cough/fever that lasts less than 12 hours. There is no way of knowing how many people were actually infected. The same Chicken Littles that are panicking about this somehow fail to tell you that the ACTUAL death rate for the seasonal flu is 10% in the USA. That is deaths divided by CONFIRMED by test/hospitalization. The way we get it so low is we GUESS that 50-62 millions OTHERS that were not tested also had the flu this season.... The deaths from the spanish flu of young people was mostly due to a cytokine storm which is an over exaggerated response of a healthy bodies immune system. To head off the inevitable response, explain how death rates in countries that had little to no access to aspirin yet had the same mortality as those that did. academic.oup.com/cid/article/50/8/1203/451446
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Post by pepperbrooks on Mar 11, 2020 10:33:35 GMT -5
Harvard has forbidden flying anywhere. I'm sure others have done the same. . You canāt forbid people to do anything. This is idiotic You know what they meant.
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Post by Boof1224 on Mar 11, 2020 10:40:55 GMT -5
Couldnāt figure out how to copy this image a friend sent me but it exactly way I feel. Glad thereās others who feel same
Dear valued customer
Due to the recent outbreak of stupidity and panic purchasing by complete idiots, the nation is currently experiencing a shortage of toilet paper and common sense.
We expect supplies to be replenished once these sheep minded morons have all starved to deaths in their homes surrounded by toilet paper but without anything to eat
Thank you for your patience.
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Post by Boof1224 on Mar 11, 2020 10:41:45 GMT -5
. You canāt forbid people to do anything. This is idiotic poor choice of words on my part...employees are not allowed to fly on school business...ie, they will not pay for flights. Thatās different then. Institutions have no say over how people live their lives outside of school
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