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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Apr 11, 2020 13:55:18 GMT -5
I work at a large RV dealership and we had an interesting customer late last week. FEMA purchased 24 brand new travel trailers which we then delivered to various Metropolitan Utilities District (MUD) locations in Omaha. Their employees are basically stuck, quarantining at work for who knows how long. I asked one of the men there what the plan was for these units when all this madness ends and I didn't like but was not surprised by his answer. FEMA is already projecting that there will be a period when it seems everything is moving back to normal. The issue will be it will only take a few lingering asymptomatic cases and there will be a second round of flareups. And THAT is why it is incredibly irresponsible for the idiot in the White House to stop talking about when he will decide to "open up the country again". At this point, as we are NOWHERE NEAR that point and he doesn't know how many idiots are out there that take everything he says as gospel. As he already has, it's going to cost people their lives.
I would say VB in the fall is a long shot. I certainly hope I am wrong, not because of VB but because it will mean people will have stopped dying and we will have returned to some semblance of normalcy.
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Post by n00b on Apr 11, 2020 13:55:18 GMT -5
Our Texas governor is announcing ways to reopen the State as early this week. About time someone has the cajones to take the first step. Look, is this worse than the “normal flu”? Yes, but it is not going to come close to killing millions we originally were told. Models and statistics are as good as the numbers and parameters you plug in; watching these models drop significantly is the perfect example of this. If you are elderly and have comorbidities then by all means do your due diligence. Many parts of the country should be able to slowly open up again; others may be a few weeks away yet. We lost 80,000 a few years ago from influenza; currently at 19,000 for COVID. At what point does more reasonable heads come together as opposed to continually stoke fear into the public?? The more people who get sick, the more have to be admitted into ICU, thus less ventilators, less ventilators and icu beds, more deaths. It’s foolish to open anything that even remotely has large groups right now. This is far more deadly than the flu. Is it gonna mill Millions? No. Is the spread of this very bad? Absolutely New York City hit it's peak over the weekend and Dr. Fauci said that there have been zero cases nationwide of a person in need of an ICU bed or a ventilator not being able to get one. If NYC could handle the surge at it's peak, I'd think less densely-populated areas (which is literally everywhere else) aren't going to have the ICU bed and ventilator issues we were afraid of. If we said starting next Monday congregations of 1,000 or more are prohibited and did nothing else I think we'd be pretty safe. Many companies would still have their employees work from home whenever possible. Public spaces (gyms, restaurants, etc) would be over-the-top about cleanliness because people wouldn't go if they weren't. Maybe make small adjustments like telling bars and restaurants that their max capacity is the number of chairs they have available so bars can't cram people in on Friday night. The only real thing I don't have an answer for is big cities whose employees rely on public transportation. I have no doubt that NYC's subways were the main catalyst for how quickly it spread there. So places like Boston, Philadelphia, DC and Chicago would be trickier. But I don't see any reason to not have cities like Boise, San Antonio and Indianapolis up and running.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 13:59:29 GMT -5
I think we are getting a glimpse of socialism in action. The governments are firmly in control of our lives due to COVID, and they like it. The government decides what is essential, what businesses have to close, whether we can even walk in a park. It’s rather easy to close things down. How/if/when we “re-open” will be determined by bureaucrats and on their timetable. That’s a scary proposition. No, you are seeing federalism in action. Government does have power in times of crisis. The whole pap about "This is Murica, freedom, constitution" isn't correct. The Supreme Court has ruled your freedom is limited when the general wellbeing of a group is at risk which is why you can't yell 'fire' in a cinema. It has been shown by scientists, not politicians, that this spreads quickly and puts the old (20-ish% of the population at least) and obese (36% of the American population) at higher risk. Government is acting as appropriate with multiple levels of response across the 50 states. But, feel free to whine about socialism, but know what it is before you do that. As for sports in the fall. If football goes forward, so will everything else. If they rule it isn't safe for college football, you won't see volleyball either.
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Post by dman on Apr 11, 2020 14:00:27 GMT -5
Why does everyone assume once you get it you’re automatically in ICU and on a ventilator?? It’s just not the case! New York is the worst hit in country and they took down their “tent hospital” as it wasn’t needed. The numbers are not matching the response. I agree there are worse areas than others and the initial social distancing is helpful but there may NEVER be a vaccine for this as it’s viral. ...are we really supposed to live in a cave the rest of our lives?? We don't have to live in caves for the rest of our lives but the goal is to slow the biggest impact of the virus so it doesn't hit all at once, i.e. flattening the curve. The lockdowns won't continue until the vaccine happens, but we're still in the thick of the initial surge right now. It's like leaving your basement when a tornado is right over top of you because you're angry about how boring the basement is. Give it a few more weeks until the numbers of infected start going down. Totally agree with waiting a couple more weeks; some areas maybe a few more. The curve should begin to drop over next week or so; no matter when we relax the virus WILL spike again. We have to be reasonable in the response and understand that just like other illnesses each year people will die from this. I’m not excited or happy to claim this but it will be part of our lives from here on out.
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Post by winesalot on Apr 11, 2020 14:05:46 GMT -5
Our Texas governor is announcing ways to reopen the State as early this week. About time someone has the cajones to take the first step. Look, is this worse than the “normal flu”? Yes, but it is not going to come close to killing millions we originally were told. Models and statistics are as good as the numbers and parameters you plug in; watching these models drop significantly is the perfect example of this. If you are elderly and have comorbidities then by all means do your due diligence. Many parts of the country should be able to slowly open up again; others may be a few weeks away yet. We lost 80,000 a few years ago from influenza; currently at 19,000 for COVID. At what point does more reasonable heads come together as opposed to continually stoke fear into the public?? So people with health issues and older Texans should have to continue to isolate for how long so we can get back to work? If I go back to work, how long will it be before I can see my parents who are in their 70s? If someone has an asthmatic child, do they have to live in a separate residence? I'm not trying to be dramatic or antagonistic, I really want to know. We are expected to reach our peak in Texas on 4/26- 15 days from now. I hope that the models are correct and we don't run out of beds. However, the reason the models show us not running out of beds is because the isolation is working. If we open everything up too soon, everything we've done so far (the loss of money, normalcy) will be for nothing.
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Post by dman on Apr 11, 2020 14:25:16 GMT -5
Our Texas governor is announcing ways to reopen the State as early this week. About time someone has the cajones to take the first step. Look, is this worse than the “normal flu”? Yes, but it is not going to come close to killing millions we originally were told. Models and statistics are as good as the numbers and parameters you plug in; watching these models drop significantly is the perfect example of this. If you are elderly and have comorbidities then by all means do your due diligence. Many parts of the country should be able to slowly open up again; others may be a few weeks away yet. We lost 80,000 a few years ago from influenza; currently at 19,000 for COVID. At what point does more reasonable heads come together as opposed to continually stoke fear into the public?? So people with health issues and older Texans should have to continue to isolate for how long so we can get back to work? If I go back to work, how long will it be before I can see my parents who are in their 70s? If someone has an asthmatic child, do they have to live in a separate residence? I'm not trying to be dramatic or antagonistic, I really want to know. We are expected to reach our peak in Texas on 4/26- 15 days from now. I hope that the models are correct and we don't run out of beds. However, the reason the models show us not running out of beds is because the isolation is working. If we open everything up too soon, everything we've done so far (the loss of money, normalcy) will be for nothing. I guess my response would be to continue to do what you’ve always have done. I’m sure if you’re symptomatic for anything you’re not running over to plant a hug and kiss on your 70 year old parents. You “social distance” and wait till symptom free then go visit. There is no threat at all in running out of beds in Texas.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 11, 2020 14:41:34 GMT -5
I think we are getting a glimpse of socialism in action. You mean that governments are acting to save the lives of the people they represent? That's socialism? Hmm. Not as scary as everybody makes it out to be.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 11, 2020 15:25:51 GMT -5
The more people who get sick, the more have to be admitted into ICU, thus less ventilators, less ventilators and icu beds, more deaths. It’s foolish to open anything that even remotely has large groups right now. This is far more deadly than the flu. Is it gonna mill Millions? No. Is the spread of this very bad? Absolutely New York City hit it's peak over the weekend and Dr. Fauci said that there have been zero cases nationwide of a person in need of an ICU bed or a ventilator not being able to get one. If NYC could handle the surge at it's peak, I'd think less densely-populated areas (which is literally everywhere else) aren't going to have the ICU bed and ventilator issues we were afraid of. If we said starting next Monday congregations of 1,000 or more are prohibited and did nothing else I think we'd be pretty safe. Many companies would still have their employees work from home whenever possible. Public spaces (gyms, restaurants, etc) would be over-the-top about cleanliness because people wouldn't go if they weren't. Maybe make small adjustments like telling bars and restaurants that their max capacity is the number of chairs they have available so bars can't cram people in on Friday night. The only real thing I don't have an answer for is big cities whose employees rely on public transportation. I have no doubt that NYC's subways were the main catalyst for how quickly it spread there. So places like Boston, Philadelphia, DC and Chicago would be trickier. But I don't see any reason to not have cities like Boise, San Antonio and Indianapolis up and running. There have been 0 cases because WE ARE social distancing. I can assure you if we were operating as normal, we would be much more hit than we are now. Do I think this will last forever? No. Im thinking early june life will slowly start to go back to normal, but if we were to end social distancing right now, it would not be a pretty sight
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 11, 2020 15:31:28 GMT -5
The more people who get sick, the more have to be admitted into ICU, thus less ventilators, less ventilators and icu beds, more deaths. It’s foolish to open anything that even remotely has large groups right now. This is far more deadly than the flu. Is it gonna mill Millions? No. Is the spread of this very bad? Absolutely Why does everyone assume once you get it you’re automatically in ICU and on a ventilator?? It’s just not the case! New York is the worst hit in country and they took down their “tent hospital” as it wasn’t needed. The numbers are not matching the response. I agree there are worse areas than others and the initial social distancing is helpful but there may NEVER be a vaccine for this as it’s viral. ...are we really supposed to live in a cave the rest of our lives?? Did I say you would end up on a ventilator? No. However, the more people to get it, the more people that will NEED ventilators. People need to stop taking this virus as nothing. Is panic ok? No. this Virus is not going to be the end of the world, but we need to work together to beat it. USA did not act quick, but our actions we have taken as of late are showing signs of working. And we will need to continue to do so, so we can go back to a normal life before a vaccine is released
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 11, 2020 15:53:35 GMT -5
It's so predictable:
"Hey, everybody, the infection has slowed down since we started quarantine!"
"Great! Let's stop doing it!"
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Post by volleydadtx on Apr 11, 2020 16:12:41 GMT -5
Our Texas governor is announcing ways to reopen the State as early this week. About time someone has the cajones to take the first step. Look, is this worse than the “normal flu”? Yes, but it is not going to come close to killing millions we originally were told. Models and statistics are as good as the numbers and parameters you plug in; watching these models drop significantly is the perfect example of this. If you are elderly and have comorbidities then by all means do your due diligence. Many parts of the country should be able to slowly open up again; others may be a few weeks away yet. We lost 80,000 a few years ago from influenza; currently at 19,000 for COVID. At what point does more reasonable heads come together as opposed to continually stoke fear into the public?? The more people who get sick, the more have to be admitted into ICU, thus less ventilators, less ventilators and icu beds, more deaths. It’s foolish to open anything that even remotely has large groups right now. This is far more deadly than the flu. Is it gonna mill Millions? No. Is the spread of this very bad? Absolutely You’ve been watching too much Corona News Network.
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Post by volleydadtx on Apr 11, 2020 16:17:54 GMT -5
Texas has 51,000 beds, and right now we have 1500 occupied with COVID. 3 percent. Meanwhile hospitals across the state are LAYING OFF thousands because the hospitals are mostly empty.
This is bat s**t crazy.
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Post by n00b on Apr 11, 2020 16:24:25 GMT -5
New York City hit it's peak over the weekend and Dr. Fauci said that there have been zero cases nationwide of a person in need of an ICU bed or a ventilator not being able to get one. If NYC could handle the surge at it's peak, I'd think less densely-populated areas (which is literally everywhere else) aren't going to have the ICU bed and ventilator issues we were afraid of. If we said starting next Monday congregations of 1,000 or more are prohibited and did nothing else I think we'd be pretty safe. Many companies would still have their employees work from home whenever possible. Public spaces (gyms, restaurants, etc) would be over-the-top about cleanliness because people wouldn't go if they weren't. Maybe make small adjustments like telling bars and restaurants that their max capacity is the number of chairs they have available so bars can't cram people in on Friday night. The only real thing I don't have an answer for is big cities whose employees rely on public transportation. I have no doubt that NYC's subways were the main catalyst for how quickly it spread there. So places like Boston, Philadelphia, DC and Chicago would be trickier. But I don't see any reason to not have cities like Boise, San Antonio and Indianapolis up and running. There have been 0 cases because WE ARE social distancing. I can assure you if we were operating as normal, we would be much more hit than we are now. Do I think this will last forever? No. Im thinking early june life will slowly start to go back to normal, but if we were to end social distancing right now, it would not be a pretty sight I don't think we should end social distancing. Imploring business to allow as many employees to work from home as possible and banning large gatherings (concerts, large-scale sporting events, festivals, etc.) can happen without the government mandating that all businesses shut down. And the majority of people know what's going on. Restaurants, movie theaters, etc will still be mostly empty.
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Post by n00b on Apr 11, 2020 16:28:13 GMT -5
I think we are getting a glimpse of socialism in action. You mean that governments are acting to save the lives of the people they represent? That's socialism? Hmm. Not as scary as everybody makes it out to be. But the Texas governor is using this as an excuse to prohibit abortions and other governors are shutting down gun shops. Neither of those should be allowed by executive decree. You don't also think that governors' decision making going forward will be influenced by how they think it will impact the November election? I hope I'm wrong and am just hopelessly cynical by I wish every decision was being made with the pure idea that you're stating.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 11, 2020 16:36:40 GMT -5
governors are shutting down gun shops Governors are shutting down all kinds of shops. Hair salons. Bowling alleys. Nightclubs. Tailors. Jewelry stores. Etc. What makes gun shops special? Do you think governors have some sort of political agenda against bowling alleys?
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