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Post by mastermind on Apr 24, 2020 23:24:57 GMT -5
My DD plays for an open level team. I respect parents who are willing to take the risk. However, there is definitely a risk for us to bring the virus back to our family, our coworkers or our friends. How will you feel if it indeed happens? If you don’t respect this virus, it will not respect you. AAU has nothing to loss but every reason to gain to hold the tournament. You won’t know you are positive until you come home.
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Post by cindra on Apr 24, 2020 23:30:27 GMT -5
Any chance AAU is posturing with this announcement to get off the hook for convention center rental & associated expenses, hoping that governmental action forces the event to be cancelled? Does insurance typically cover "the government told us to shut it down" but not "global public health crisis"? Doubt they'd recoup more either way unless the government cuts them a check out of sympathy.
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 25, 2020 0:12:20 GMT -5
My DD plays for an open level team. I respect parents who are willing to take the risk. However, there is definitely a risk for us to bring the virus back to our family, our coworkers or our friends. How will you feel if it indeed happens? If you don’t respect this virus, it will not respect you. AAU has nothing to loss but every reason to gain to hold the tournament. You won’t know you are positive until you come home. The more concerning point is that this could cause the virus to spread exponentially. While every individual who gets sick odds important, this could spread the virus across the country and undo the good that quarantine did in flattening the curve.
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Post by n00b on Apr 25, 2020 0:18:15 GMT -5
My DD plays for an open level team. I respect parents who are willing to take the risk. However, there is definitely a risk for us to bring the virus back to our family, our coworkers or our friends. How will you feel if it indeed happens? If you don’t respect this virus, it will not respect you. AAU has nothing to loss but every reason to gain to hold the tournament. You won’t know you are positive until you come home. The more concerning point is that this could cause the virus to spread exponentially. While every individual who gets sick odds important, this could spread the virus across the country and undo the good that quarantine did in flattening the curve. With growing evidence that the fatality rate is well below 0.5%, at least some doctors are saying it would be beneficial to get things going again (while protecting the most as-risk populations). thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation
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Post by mastermind on Apr 25, 2020 1:14:38 GMT -5
It really doesn’t matter the fatality rate is 0.5% vs 5%. If you are in trouble, there is no treatment. If you get it, you either live or die. The risk factors for serious complications are not limited to the older age. They also include high blood pressure, obesity/overweight, diabetes, asthma etc.
I do recommend 2 weeks of quarantine once you come home from AAU, at least this is my family tells me and my DD to do. As I said, I do respect parents who are willing to risk their lives and their loved ones’ lives to attend this volleyball tournament. I know many people don’t take this virus seriously in this country. I personally will not risk my life and my family’s lives to attend a tournament that is unlikely determining the recruiting anyway. I am pretty sure college coaches would want their own players and staffs to stay safe. They will understand our decision which will be their decision for their players.
In addition, is it ethical for us coming from a state prohibiting sports gathering to another state allowing sports gathering? Whether you decide to go or not go, I hope you sleep well at night with your decision for your daughter.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 25, 2020 7:50:11 GMT -5
My DD plays for an open level team. I respect parents who are willing to take the risk. However, there is definitely a risk for us to bring the virus back to our family, our coworkers or our friends. How will you feel if it indeed happens? If you don’t respect this virus, it will not respect you. AAU has nothing to loss but every reason to gain to hold the tournament. You won’t know you are positive until you come home. The more concerning point is that this could cause the virus to spread exponentially. While every individual who gets sick odds important, this could spread the virus across the country and undo the good that quarantine did in flattening the curve. Flattening the Curve has two very different meanings. 1) The # of cases will run its coarse no matter what, flatting the curve will keep the peak much lower, but the length of time will be greatly increased. This will aid in the stress on hospitals. 2) The peak will not only flatten, but the # of people infected will also decrease. I am now getting the sense that #1 seems to be the more likely scenario. The current orders isn't enough to stop this and the downward slope is looking rather long. Since getting a vaccine is likely to be years away or never going to happen - we are left with the prospect that we will be doing this (what we are doing know) for the next many years. Of course that isn't even remotely attainable - there is no way that the majority of the people are going to remained holed up in their houses for the next several years, not to mention the many other health and economic impacts that would occur. We are already seeing the impact on preventive care for things like cancer and we are seeing Hospitals laying off staff across the country. Wellness exams are at a stop. How many people are delaying mammograms? What we are doing now is going to lead to more deaths down the road. Right now in the US - around 90% of the deaths are from people with underlying health issues, which doesn't include things like Asthma which is exempt from that designation. And this is what we know, I am sure from the other 10% there were underlying health issues that were unknown at the time of death. A little over 20% of the deaths (according to NY State data) has occurred in nursing homes or assisted living locations. Based on aggregate state data: 42% of all deaths are from people over the age of 80, 68% over the age of 70, 87% over the age of 60, and 95% over the age of 50. Only 0.05% of the deaths have occurred in people under the age of 20. Only 0.35% of the deaths have occurred in people under the age 30. The death rate among those under the age of 35 is exceeding small. 84% of our population is under the age of 65. We know precisely who is at risk from this virus. We are going to end up losing more lives by holing up indefinitely in our homes for the year(s), than going forward with a strategy where the vast majority of people get on with their lives as normal while protecting the most vulnerable people (who we know who those people are). Hoping this goes away isn't much of strategy, and paralyzing a nation by scaring the crap out of people isn't getting rid of this either. In the end - it looks like this is going to have to run its coarse one way or another. BTW, I am not advocating that we go back to the way it was before - but that there needs to be a strategy to get as many people as possible back to doing stuff.
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Post by Wiswell on Apr 25, 2020 9:26:39 GMT -5
If there is one asymptomatic or symptomatic person in the convention center, you create a situation like the super spreader in South Korea. Even parents stay in the hotel, your kids still bring the virus back to you. I will not risk my family for this recruiting advantages. I will email college coaches about not attending. I am pretty sure they will not hold against my kids for this decision. Watch the study at 2:30 mark. There's no way that guy in the bottom left who is saying it's unsafe to go out to get a haircut hasn't had one himself in the past month. That guy? He has been the medical consultant for CNN for about 20 years.
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Post by volleydadtx on Apr 25, 2020 9:29:52 GMT -5
I think the whole idea on flattening the curve was to not overrun the hospitals with patients so that they couldn't get good care. Here in Houston metro we have around 7 million people and I last I heard we had less than 500 even in the hospital with the virus. That's a lot of people sick but when you figure we have 4000 to 5000 beds available on an average day I don't think the hospitals are stretched at all. Not sure about the rest of the country.
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Post by volleyusa on Apr 25, 2020 9:36:51 GMT -5
This just goes to show that people are scared to death, including lots of people that post on here. They have no real idea what “flattening the curve” meant and a great amount of people truly believe by flattening the curve it means that it will eventually go away. That’s not going to happen.
People are going to have to move on with their new lives and stop hiding in their houses.
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Post by newenglander on Apr 25, 2020 9:43:08 GMT -5
Flattening the curve means that fewer people will have the virus at the same time now and we are stalling for better treatment or a vaccination and hope one of those show up.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Apr 25, 2020 9:53:05 GMT -5
Interesting move by AAU. At least they are honest about their decision all being about $$$$ not the athletes.
10 rostered chaperones. Haha. More like 10 spectators per team. I see that chaperone pass being passed around between parents each day, so in reality this is BS. So in the area of a 30'x60' court, you have at minimum ~68 people (30 players, 10 bench, 20 chaperones/spectators, 1 real official, and at minimum 7 workers in ref crew) switching every 50-60 minutes for 12 rounds. Then repeating this cycle for 4 days with a fresh group of all healthy faces. Teams coming from all over the country traveling by airplanes, buses, vans, and cars to get Orlando. Remember Spring Break 2020. To be honest, I would love to see a pool with a team each from NYC area, Chicago area, Michigan area, and Pennsylvania area. I hope the club directors get a contract saying that they explained the risks. I see many lawsuits or settlements come out of this.
Will college coaches attend or even allowed to attend? NCAA dead period currently til May 31st or will that be extended. Will the AAU allow a couple hundred college coaches be added to the risk of infection. Disney closed. Other theme parks closed.
I mean the Las Vegas mayor wanted to use her town as a control group. Why not let your youth be guinea pigs right out of the gate.
I needed a good laugh at this time. I had to check if it was April's Fools Day. Thank you AAU. Well done.
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Post by d3coach on Apr 25, 2020 9:56:02 GMT -5
This just goes to show that people are scared to death, including lots of people that post on here. They have no real idea what “flattening the curve” meant and a great amount of people truly believe by flattening the curve it means that it will eventually go away. That’s not going to happen. People are going to have to move on with their new lives and stop hiding in their houses. Flattening the curve also means not allowing a huge spike just because some people are ready to resume normal. Flattening the curve is a sustained effort until the peak can be handled. Unfortunately while many states have done what they can in the immediacy to mitigate a sudden disaster, we are still waiting for a national solution to the testing issue..
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Post by mastermind on Apr 25, 2020 10:01:05 GMT -5
As an essential worker on the frontline, I interact with many people daily. The decision of not attending AAU is different from hiding from the virus at home. A tournament in national scale significantly increases disease spread. We will need to relax Shelter-in-Place in the near future. But a sports event with more than 40,000 players and 100,000 speculators should be the last few things allowed.
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Post by volleydadtx on Apr 25, 2020 10:01:42 GMT -5
It is curious that many feel that this virus is like a passing thunderstorm and if we just wait it out a couple more months it will move on.As others have mentioned, unfortunately it is here to stay. there is no guarantee of a vaccine ever, although that would be nice. we have to pick up the pieces and move on. things won't be any safer in a month than they are today, and won't be any safer in 6 months than they will be in one month. tough deal for all concerned.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Apr 25, 2020 10:10:48 GMT -5
I agree. Let's open up! Survival of the fittest. Natural selection, carrying capacity, and all those things I learned in biology class and medical school.
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