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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 16:46:07 GMT -5
That is, sadly, not very high on the list of concerns atm. But hey, amateur athletics right!? I’ve seen multiple administrators discuss this as a concern. You’re probably right that it’s not super high, but it’s one of the many reasons that spring football is only an option once all other options have been tried. Oh it's definitely been discussed. Just like P5 conferences are saying that, by going conference only they're protecting the athletes from schools with less stringent testing protocols... Sounds great. But in truth they're just trying to ensure they play the most lucrative games for their conference. I get it... But, yet again, when the rubber meets the road, collegiate sports shows it's colors.
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Post by Not Me on Jul 12, 2020 17:12:56 GMT -5
NJCAA is expected to announce moving FB to the spring on Monday.
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Post by henryj on Jul 12, 2020 17:27:46 GMT -5
NJCAA is expected to announce moving FB to the spring on Monday. If this happens and HS shifts as well, would this cut the legs out from club for 2021? Refs/coaches/gym/play sites would all be tied up for JCs and HS right??
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Post by winesalot on Jul 12, 2020 17:32:57 GMT -5
NJCAA is expected to announce moving FB to the spring on Monday. If this happens and HS shifts as well, would this cut the legs out from club for 2021? Refs/coaches/gym/play sites would all be tied up for JCs and HS right?? My guess is that you can follow the money and club volleyball will not be the sacrifice here.
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Post by silverchloride on Jul 12, 2020 18:06:26 GMT -5
Agreed, club will probably be chosen over HS VBall for most elite players. I am hearing that there are already contingency plans in place at the club level should the HS season be cancelled. I am still optimistic that there will be a HS season. CIF will make a decision in 8 days, fingers crossed =)
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 12, 2020 20:01:49 GMT -5
That’s why they will do anything g they can to move football tot he spring. - and May have to move other sports, like volleyball for title 9. Spring FB is a last resort but, you're right, it's also the next one. Thing is, if they discover they still can't fill stadiums in the spring, I fear they might just pull the plug entirely on FB and every other sport. For volley, I believe we could do a fan-less season (in some form or another) without significantly increasing the risk level beyond where it's at 24/7 right now. Spring football would likely be 8 games, and presumably so would fall '21 so they aren't abusing the kids, but then how much do starters play against East-West Tech? So I could see them stretching fall '21 out. I think it would be the same for volleyball - 28 dates becomes 20 or 22 if you play two seasons in a year. FWIW, risk is only part of the equation. Liability is also a consideration and if there's no revenue, and really unknown risk, then I don't know that I see that happening. The revenue sports still have to drive the bus to some extent. If congress provides some form of liability protection, that makes it easier to take the risks.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 12, 2020 21:55:22 GMT -5
I disagree about fans in stands being a necessity. Power 5 schools are get $40 mil/year from their TV contracts. That’s certainly worth holding games with no fans. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's feasible to have a football season in 2020 with or without fans. MLS and MLB are already showing they can't maintain a bubble and college athletics can't even begin to try something like that. Players are going to get sick (a few of them severely so) and schools will have to respond. Right now, that response looks like isolating swaths of the roster every time someone tests positive. You can argue if that's appropriate, but that's seems to be what we're going to do. Simply, you cannot have a football season if players test positive and force five or ten or twenty others into isolation. My desire for spring football is founded on the hope (lol) that an extra six months allows us to get some sort of handle on the pandemic. Financially, starting the 2020 season this fall and having to shut it down after a few games is probably almost as bad as not playing at all this academic year.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 12, 2020 22:10:14 GMT -5
This, of course, ignores the moral and ethical concerns about using unpaid labor to generate TV revenue during a pandemic. The pros are paid, obviously, and at least in the United States, have labor unions with collective bargaining power. College athletes are not/do not.
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Post by volleav on Jul 13, 2020 10:23:27 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on Jul 13, 2020 10:32:20 GMT -5
Interestingly, Army and Navy ARE allowed to still compete this fall.
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 13, 2020 10:37:54 GMT -5
Interestingly, Army and Navy ARE allowed to still compete this fall. The service academies have their own oversight and decisions are made for each institution by their respective Superintendents in coordination with the military mission. Likely Air Force will also have the option. Navy Football wouldn't have fallen under this anyway, as they don't compete in the Patriot League. They would follow the direction of the AAC.
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Post by n00b on Jul 13, 2020 11:03:18 GMT -5
The service academies have their own oversight and decisions are made for each institution by their respective Superintendents in coordination with the military mission. Likely Air Force will also have the option. Navy Football wouldn't have fallen under this anyway, as they don't compete in the Patriot League. They would follow the direction of the AAC. Every institution has their own oversight. I'm sure there is nothing binding to say that Cornell cannot permit athletics this fall either. And if men's volleyball were a fall sport, I can almost guarantee that Princeton and Harvard would NOT be participating despite it not being an Ivy League sport. When institutions join conferences it's usually with the intent of acting as a united group in situations like this. (FYI, Army football isn't in the Patriot League either)
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 13, 2020 11:08:00 GMT -5
The service academies have their own oversight and decisions are made for each institution by their respective Superintendents in coordination with the military mission. Likely Air Force will also have the option. Navy Football wouldn't have fallen under this anyway, as they don't compete in the Patriot League. They would follow the direction of the AAC. Every institution has their own oversight. I'm sure there is nothing binding to say that Cornell cannot permit athletics this fall either. And if men's volleyball were a fall sport, I can almost guarantee that Princeton and Harvard would NOT be participating despite it not being an Ivy League sport. When institutions join conferences it's usually with the intent of acting as a united group in situations like this. (FYI, Army football isn't in the Patriot League either) The release specifically says: as it pertains to their mission. The service academies are not normal universities. Their decisions come from a lot higher up than just the university level. And I don't follow Army, so don't pay attention to where their football team plays. Go Navy!
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 13, 2020 11:32:24 GMT -5
Reportedly the Patriot was ready to shut it down last week but Army and Navy were vocal in opposition. This is a logical solution assuming Army and Navy still find someone to play against. If everybody goes conference only I'm not sure who they play.
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 13, 2020 11:43:02 GMT -5
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