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Post by yoda on May 26, 2020 16:35:14 GMT -5
Has anyone seen any of the seasons?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 16:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by XAsstCoach on May 27, 2020 0:06:00 GMT -5
Just starting with Season 35: Heroes, Healers and Hustlers
Alan Ball (on Heroes) going neurotic quickly...both he and Joe Mena on Healers. Interesting beginning!
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Post by XAsstCoach on May 27, 2020 4:21:21 GMT -5
This was why this season ranks so high for me. There were many suspenseful tribal councils - and then the one you are referring to which was maybe the best one ever. And I also believe there were so many players playing an interesting game and no 'hyaenas' as Tony likes to refer. I liked Culpepper a lot - I thought he played a very good season. How he 'handled' Tai was very costly to him in terms of the game. I am sure that Tai was very frustrating for the other players - he was very hard to get a read or he more likely was unable to have his 'own' plan for moving forward in the game. I am sure that had Culpepper had better knowledge - there was a better path with Tai than what he chose. There were a lot of surprises in 34, but the most suspenseful TC would be 31: Cambodia (Second Chance). Never had I ever looked forward to the next tribal council just to see what's going to happen next. Alliances were thrown out mid-game in favor of the voting block. WOW! Culpepper played a good game for sure. But I would argue that he got where he did not because of his gameplay, its that the powers-to-be decided to knock each other off and left him alone until he started winning all the challenges. Physically, Culpepper got it hands down. Overall strategy, not so much.
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Post by XAsstCoach on May 27, 2020 4:22:51 GMT -5
Also, I've never had a good night's sleep when camping. You wake up the next morning just exhausted and wanting desperately to go home. That's another reason why I wouldn't last in Survivor...when I'm tired I get pretty cranky. May be good for ratings, but it'll be shortlived as I would get voted out early.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 27, 2020 7:37:25 GMT -5
This was why this season ranks so high for me. There were many suspenseful tribal councils - and then the one you are referring to which was maybe the best one ever. And I also believe there were so many players playing an interesting game and no 'hyaenas' as Tony likes to refer. I liked Culpepper a lot - I thought he played a very good season. How he 'handled' Tai was very costly to him in terms of the game. I am sure that Tai was very frustrating for the other players - he was very hard to get a read or he more likely was unable to have his 'own' plan for moving forward in the game. I am sure that had Culpepper had better knowledge - there was a better path with Tai than what he chose. There were a lot of surprises in 34, but the most suspenseful TC would be 31: Cambodia (Second Chance). Never had I ever looked forward to the next tribal council just to see what's going to happen next. Alliances were thrown out mid-game in favor of the voting block. WOW! Culpepper played a good game for sure. But I would argue that he got where he did not because of his gameplay, its that the powers-to-be decided to knock each other off and left him alone until he started winning all the challenges. Physically, Culpepper got it hands down. Overall strategy, not so much. I thought Culpepper did a good job trying to 'manage' Debbie. There were some real divisions in the mid/late season tribe he was on that he had to try and keep together. Despite how he mishandled Tai towards the end - he did a good job of holding back his emotions when others were going wacko. Having Troyzan as a strong ally was very helpful - and then Sierra was very sensible. Kind of interesting with Sierra - she was a strong ally with Culpepper from the beginning, yet at the time of the merge when they didn't have the numbers, it was Sarah that Sierra ended up confiding with on her secret advantage (which led to her immediate doom). Sarah gets Sierra voted out, but in such a way that Sierra doesn't know and 'gifts' the advantage to Sarah instead of Culpepper. And then for FTC, Sierra votes for Culpepper instead of Sarah. Sarah's 'deception got her the advantage, but lost her the vote in the end.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 8:26:41 GMT -5
That was such a big brain move by Sarah. She doesnt get near the end if she doesnt pull that fast one off on Sierra
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Post by bbg95 on May 27, 2020 11:09:45 GMT -5
This was why this season ranks so high for me. There were many suspenseful tribal councils - and then the one you are referring to which was maybe the best one ever. And I also believe there were so many players playing an interesting game and no 'hyaenas' as Tony likes to refer. I liked Culpepper a lot - I thought he played a very good season. How he 'handled' Tai was very costly to him in terms of the game. I am sure that Tai was very frustrating for the other players - he was very hard to get a read or he more likely was unable to have his 'own' plan for moving forward in the game. I am sure that had Culpepper had better knowledge - there was a better path with Tai than what he chose. There were a lot of surprises in 34, but the most suspenseful TC would be 31: Cambodia (Second Chance). Never had I ever looked forward to the next tribal council just to see what's going to happen next. Alliances were thrown out mid-game in favor of the voting block. WOW! Culpepper played a good game for sure. But I would argue that he got where he did not because of his gameplay, its that the powers-to-be decided to knock each other off and left him alone until he started winning all the challenges. Physically, Culpepper got it hands down. Overall strategy, not so much. Agreed. Culpepper kept winning immunity challenges (five of the last six), which is how he was able to stay in the game the last few tribals. Granted, that's part of the game for sure, but Sarah was the dominant strategic and social force of that season.
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Post by bbg95 on May 27, 2020 11:11:32 GMT -5
That was such a big brain move by Sarah. She doesnt get near the end if she doesnt pull that fast one off on Sierra Yeah, there's a good chance that Sarah goes out instead of Cirie if she didn't have Sierra's legacy advantage.
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Post by bbg95 on May 27, 2020 14:44:49 GMT -5
Just finished Pearl Islands. It was a fun season. Sandra wasn't exactly a strategic mastermind a la Tony, but her social game was really good, as she never got her name written down the entire game until the very end when she won all but one jury vote (as an aside, I think Sandra played extremely well in Game Changers until she got screwed by a tribe swap that left her in a minority position, and there was no way Sarah would let her stick around). She was also hilarious throughout. Jonny Fairplay continued to be obnoxious the entire game (up to and including final tribal council, when he basically made it all about himself and whined that he was more deserving than the final two were). This made his ultimate demise (first, he and Burton arrogantly thought the remaining three wouldn't conspire against them when they were on reward, and then Lil dominated him in the Final Immunity Challenge) that much more satisfying.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 27, 2020 15:20:23 GMT -5
Watching the 1st time - over 15 years ago. I didn't even remember Sandra in Season 7 until she was around to the end and ended up winning. And then Season 20 seemed like a total misjustice to me at the time, given it was an all-star and she didn't seem to do anything. And then didn't go very far in Season 34.
I have since watched S20, S34, and S40 - and I have a greater appreciation of how she has played. She was much better than I thought from the 1st time I watched her seasons. There is no way she should have won in Season 20 (Pavarti may have had the single best season that year) - but she also had some elements that season that were pretty good. And I agree that her S34 was actually pretty good considering that she had such a target on her back. BTW, the target on Pavarti's back on season 20 and still making the finals was part of what was so great about her season. And then how does one consider Russell in Survivor history? He changed the game - but he sure was universally hated more than any other player.
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Post by bbg95 on May 27, 2020 16:08:44 GMT -5
Watching the 1st time - over 15 years ago. I didn't even remember Sandra in Season 7 until she was around to the end and ended up winning. And then Season 20 seemed like a total misjustice to me at the time, given it was an all-star and she didn't seem to do anything. And then didn't go very far in Season 34. I have since watched S20, S34, and S40 - and I have a greater appreciation of how she has played. She was much better than I thought from the 1st time I watched her seasons. There is no way she should have won in Season 20 (Pavarti may have had the single best season that year) - but she also had some elements that season that were pretty good. And I agree that her S34 was actually pretty good considering that she had such a target on her back. BTW, the target on Pavarti's back on season 20 and still making the finals was part of what was so great about her season. And then how does one consider Russell in Survivor history? He changed the game - but he sure was universally hated more than any other player. So I haven't seen Russell's seasons yet, though I am aware of how they turned out. I think he's kind of like a sports team that revolutionized the game but was fundamentally flawed and never won a title because of it. The Mike D'Antoni Suns of the mid-2000s come to mind.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 27, 2020 16:30:27 GMT -5
Watching the 1st time - over 15 years ago. I didn't even remember Sandra in Season 7 until she was around to the end and ended up winning. And then Season 20 seemed like a total misjustice to me at the time, given it was an all-star and she didn't seem to do anything. And then didn't go very far in Season 34. I have since watched S20, S34, and S40 - and I have a greater appreciation of how she has played. She was much better than I thought from the 1st time I watched her seasons. There is no way she should have won in Season 20 (Pavarti may have had the single best season that year) - but she also had some elements that season that were pretty good. And I agree that her S34 was actually pretty good considering that she had such a target on her back. BTW, the target on Pavarti's back on season 20 and still making the finals was part of what was so great about her season. And then how does one consider Russell in Survivor history? He changed the game - but he sure was universally hated more than any other player. So I haven't seen Russell's seasons yet, though I am aware of how they turned out. I think he's kind of like a sports team that revolutionized the game but was fundamentally flawed and never won a title because of it. The Mike D'Antoni Suns of the mid-2000s come to mind. This is correct. He is among several players to play in an odd # season and then return the following season. The following season is played after the first season aired. This means players don't really know the new person (which is good for them), but then they don't understand and learn from their prior mistakes. The are 3 notable players like this on the top of my head. 1) Rupert played Season 7 & 8. I am not sure it made a lot of difference - the players weren't fully aware of the 'legend' of Rupert from season 7. 2) Amanda played Season 15 & 16 - making the FTC both times. Both times she may have been the favorite going into FTC, but had an epic bad final tribal in S15. She wasn't able to see how badly this played out until after S16 was complete - and then made similar mistakes at FTC. 3) Russell played Season 19 & 20 - Season 20 would have never played out like it did if all the other players had known what Russell did on S19. Russell played exactly the same well - didn't learn from his mistakes, but then I am not sure his personality would ever allow him to learn. 4) Malcolm played Season 25 & 26 - not sure it made any difference. Malcom was the same player in all 3 of his seasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 16:31:04 GMT -5
Watching the 1st time - over 15 years ago. I didn't even remember Sandra in Season 7 until she was around to the end and ended up winning. And then Season 20 seemed like a total misjustice to me at the time, given it was an all-star and she didn't seem to do anything. And then didn't go very far in Season 34. I have since watched S20, S34, and S40 - and I have a greater appreciation of how she has played. She was much better than I thought from the 1st time I watched her seasons. There is no way she should have won in Season 20 (Pavarti may have had the single best season that year) - but she also had some elements that season that were pretty good. And I agree that her S34 was actually pretty good considering that she had such a target on her back. BTW, the target on Pavarti's back on season 20 and still making the finals was part of what was so great about her season. And then how does one consider Russell in Survivor history? He changed the game - but he sure was universally hated more than any other player. Russell was a game changer, but not a good player
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Post by bbg95 on May 27, 2020 21:18:55 GMT -5
Fairplay has possibly the best ever Survivor quote, about Sandra, in that season. Im not sure when he says it but when you hear it, you'll know So I assume you were talking about the "I've got a mil that she won't be the final one" quote? I had heard that one already, and I watched the rest of the season wondering if there would be an even better quote, but nothing else exceeded that one.
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