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Post by bbg95 on Aug 10, 2020 11:05:56 GMT -5
I watched the first episode of The Amazon, and this season seems pretty fun so far. The men vs. women theme is kind of entertaining (I also thought it worked well in Vanuatu), though scenes like the men taking up most of their initial tribal council talking about which of the women are the best looking probably wouldn't fly today. I'm not really complaining, as it's kind of funny. I'm just a bit taken aback because I can't imagine this happening in a modern season. The cast seems pretty good. I mainly started watching because this is Rob Cesternino's season, and I really enjoy his podcasts, but I find Jenna to be hilarious too. In fact, I would say that her jokes about the men are probably just as funny if not funnier than any of the jokes that Rob made. Over time - it seems that casting has moved away from the hot chick wearing minimal clothes. Curious if this is real or just something I have misremembered? Amazon is a bit famous for the Peanut Butter and Chocolate challenge (don't remember the specific food to entice) involving Jenna and Heidi. There were several instances of nudity on the show that I don't think has existed since around season 20. Just watched episode 2 of Season 15 where Amanda was topless for the end of a challenge. Yanking off player's clothes during challenges just doesn't seem as common as it once was. Players walking around camp naked (Richard/Tyson) doesn't happen anymore. Season 15 went with the clothes on their backs to start the game - for which Jaime said she wasn't wearing a bra. Jeff's comment was; 'this may make you more popular'. Would he say that today? Would they put someone in that position? Another thing I noticed - how different the girls dressed in Season 2 vs. Season 8. Specifically - looking at Amber between those to seasons. It wasn't just the weather... On the first point, I think that Purple Kelly had a lot to do with that, as her being stuck wearing a bikini in the rain the whole time is a big part of the reason why she quit, and she ended up casting the deciding vote for the winner of that season in part because he lent her his jacket. For the comment in China, yeah, I doubt Jeff would say that today. Also, Jean Robert's handsiness would be handled much differently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 12:05:13 GMT -5
Tyler Perry is the reason why players dont get swimsuits anymore. I really don't like it and I'm pretty sure a lot are on the record that they dont either
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Post by donut on Aug 10, 2020 12:15:34 GMT -5
I watched the first episode of The Amazon, and this season seems pretty fun so far. The men vs. women theme is kind of entertaining (I also thought it worked well in Vanuatu), though scenes like the men taking up most of their initial tribal council talking about which of the women are the best looking probably wouldn't fly today. I'm not really complaining, as it's kind of funny. I'm just a bit taken aback because I can't imagine this happening in a modern season. The cast seems pretty good. I mainly started watching because this is Rob Cesternino's season, and I really enjoy his podcasts, but I find Jenna to be hilarious too. In fact, I would say that her jokes about the men are probably just as funny if not funnier than any of the jokes that Rob made. I really like The Amazon, other than the obvious issues with sexism. I also really like Jenna as a winner. Controversial Survivor opinion: I think Rob C. is overrated.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 10, 2020 12:23:28 GMT -5
Over time - it seems that casting has moved away from the hot chick wearing minimal clothes. Curious if this is real or just something I have misremembered? Amazon is a bit famous for the Peanut Butter and Chocolate challenge (don't remember the specific food to entice) involving Jenna and Heidi. There were several instances of nudity on the show that I don't think has existed since around season 20. Just watched episode 2 of Season 15 where Amanda was topless for the end of a challenge. Yanking off player's clothes during challenges just doesn't seem as common as it once was. Players walking around camp naked (Richard/Tyson) doesn't happen anymore. Season 15 went with the clothes on their backs to start the game - for which Jaime said she wasn't wearing a bra. Jeff's comment was; 'this may make you more popular'. Would he say that today? Would they put someone in that position? Another thing I noticed - how different the girls dressed in Season 2 vs. Season 8. Specifically - looking at Amber between those to seasons. It wasn't just the weather... On the first point, I think that Purple Kelly had a lot to do with that, as her being stuck wearing a bikini in the rain the whole time is a big part of the reason why she quit, and she ended up casting the deciding vote for the winner of that season in part because he lent her his jacket. For the comment in China, yeah, I doubt Jeff would say that today. Also, Jean Robert's handsiness would be handled much differently. Wow - didn't know the Purple Kelly Story (or do I remember her).
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Post by Hawk Attack on Aug 10, 2020 14:47:10 GMT -5
Another thing I noticed - how different the girls dressed in Season 2 vs. Season 8. Specifically - looking at Amber between those to seasons. It wasn't just the weather... Survivor had not found it’s modern identity as a culturally family-oriented show yet. Remember, in between S2 & S8 Amber was posing for men’s magazines and made the Maxim Hot 100 list twice.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Aug 10, 2020 21:37:29 GMT -5
Alec isn't coming back. He broke the NDA. Couldn’t remember who Alec is, even though I just watched the season like last month. But OMG, he and Kara got together after the season? Thought he was done with her after the blindside. You know who I’d like to see in the same season? Christian and Cochran. Two of the biggest over-thinkers of the game in Survivor lore, imo. Throw in Tarzan for his extensive vocabulary and we’ve got a party. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 22:41:22 GMT -5
Alec isn't coming back. He broke the NDA. Couldn’t remember who Alec is, even though I just watched the season like last month. But OMG, he and Kara got together after the season? Thought he was done with her after the blindside. You know who I’d like to see in the same season? Christian and Cochran. Two of the biggest over-thinkers of the game in Survivor lore, imo. Throw in Tarzan for his extensive vocabulary and we’ve got a party. 😂 Christian, yes. Pass on Cochran. Idk I just don't like him
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 10, 2020 22:43:15 GMT -5
Alec isn't coming back. He broke the NDA. Couldn’t remember who Alec is, even though I just watched the season like last month. But OMG, he and Kara got together after the season? Thought he was done with her after the blindside. You know who I’d like to see in the same season? Christian and Cochran. Two of the biggest over-thinkers of the game in Survivor lore, imo. Throw in Tarzan for his extensive vocabulary and we’ve got a party. 😂 Well, after seeing Kara at Ponderosa, I really can't blame Alec. I'd probably overlook a blindside too (and honestly, he was voted out unanimously).
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Post by XAsstCoach on Aug 15, 2020 11:05:45 GMT -5
Season 40: Winners at War
Wow, it was a great season for sure. Love the fact that the bond between Tony/Sarah and Sarah/Ben were more than just playing the game.
Honestly, all three deserved to be there. Natalie was a beast, she found all the advantages and fire tokens while at edge, then made it back to end up in the final 3. Natalie could not be blamed for jumping back in at the end, because she didn’t ask to be voted off early on. Michelle is just as deserving in fending off being voted off for a long time, but maybe the least deserving of the three. She tried to make some moves, but Michelle just didn’t have the numbers to carry it through.
Tony, first half he laid low and didn’t see him playing the game until the second half. That spy nest surely did help him sniff out any potential blind sides. Funny at the final TC.
What I don’t understand about the final 4. When did they switch to an automatic fire challenge? Why couldn’t the girls just agree to take out Tony, at least that’s what I remember how it was done in the past.
And it really sucks for Michelle, just sitting there not getting a vote. This seems like a common issue with three in the final TC. Maybe they should just go back to the final two.
For me, it’s a toss up. Natalie is just as deserving as Tony. Perhaps they should get rid of the Edge as it seems people may hold it against them.
Great season!
The to start on The Amazing Race now.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Aug 15, 2020 12:17:11 GMT -5
I think we can be done with the Edge now. I'm very thankful we got to see all the WaW for the entire season but that doesn't need to be done again. We can be done wholely with any sort of battle-back challenges in Survivor, it's a very "Big Brother" concept.
I like the idea of Survivor being having to survive the vote. If you don't survive the vote... you didn't survive. You're done.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 15, 2020 12:29:23 GMT -5
Season 40: Winners at War Wow, it was a great season for sure. Love the fact that the bond between Tony/Sarah and Sarah/Ben were more than just playing the game. Honestly, all three deserved to be there. Natalie was a beast, she found all the advantages and fire tokens while at edge, then made it back to end up in the final 3. Natalie could not be blamed for jumping back in at the end, because she didn’t ask to be voted off early on. Michelle is just as deserving in fending off being voted off for a long time, but maybe the least deserving of the three. She tried to make some moves, but Michelle just didn’t have the numbers to carry it through. Tony, first half he laid low and didn’t see him playing the game until the second half. That spy nest surely did help him sniff out any potential blind sides. Funny at the final TC. What I don’t understand about the final 4. When did they switch to an automatic fire challenge? Why couldn’t the girls just agree to take out Tony, at least that’s what I remember how it was done in the past. And it really sucks for Michelle, just sitting there not getting a vote. This seems like a common issue with three in the final TC. Maybe they should just go back to the final two. For me, it’s a toss up. Natalie is just as deserving as Tony. Perhaps they should get rid of the Edge as it seems people may hold it against them. Great season! The to start on The Amazing Race now. The final four fire making challenge was instituted in Season 35 and has been used in every season since if I'm not mistaken. And I strongly, strongly disagree that Natalie was just as deserving as Tony, who really should have won unanimously. According to the people on Sele, Natalie played very poorly in the first couple of days, which is why she became a target and was voted out first. The fact that she got four votes just shows how dumb the Edge of Extinction is as a concept, as well as the fact that she had pregame friendships (specifically Jeremy and Tyson) that were more or less unbreakable. And she didn't even play that well when she got back in, as she needed immunity idols to survive and chickened out of challenging Tony in fire herself. Fortunately, Natalie apparently alienated numerous people on the Edge (Rob alluded to this in FTC, but it was confirmed by Dani, Yul, and Wendell, among others) and lost a lot of potential votes. If she had actually managed to win over Tony--who I think played literally the best game ever--because of the Edge, that would have ruined the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 13:55:46 GMT -5
I think we can be done with the Edge now. I'm very thankful we got to see all the WaW for the entire season but that doesn't need to be done again. We can be done wholely with any sort of battle-back challenges in Survivor, it's a very "Big Brother" concept. I like the idea of Survivor being having to survive the vote. If you don't survive the vote... you didn't survive. You're done. I think Jeff said the edge will be taking a break... I really dont like it... was really only there for WaW (hopefully)
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 15, 2020 16:38:51 GMT -5
I think we can be done with the Edge now. I'm very thankful we got to see all the WaW for the entire season but that doesn't need to be done again. We can be done wholely with any sort of battle-back challenges in Survivor, it's a very "Big Brother" concept. I like the idea of Survivor being having to survive the vote. If you don't survive the vote... you didn't survive. You're done. Yeah, I think that they should just stop with any mechanism to get back into the game. My two favorite seasons both had one (Outcasts and Edge of Extinction), but I love those seasons in spite of those twists. Also, under no circumstances should someone reenter the game with any kind of immunity. This just exacerbates the problem of letting someone get back into the game in the first place. If they get immediately voted out again, so much the better.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Aug 15, 2020 19:13:08 GMT -5
The final four fire making challenge was instituted in Season 35 and has been used in every season since if I'm not mistaken. And I strongly, strongly disagree that Natalie was just as deserving as Tony, who really should have won unanimously. According to the people on Sele, Natalie played very poorly in the first couple of days, which is why she became a target and was voted out first. The fact that she got four votes just shows how dumb the Edge of Extinction is as a concept, as well as the fact that she had pregame friendships (specifically Jeremy and Tyson) that were more or less unbreakable. And she didn't even play that well when she got back in, as she needed immunity idols to survive and chickened out of challenging Tony in fire herself. Fortunately, Natalie apparently alienated numerous people on the Edge (Rob alluded to this in FTC, but it was confirmed by Dani, Yul, and Wendell, among others) and lost a lot of potential votes. If she had actually managed to win over Tony--who I think played literally the best game ever--because of the Edge, that would have ruined the season. It was a great fire challenge, and the emotion displayed afterwards was heartwarming. And Rob was wrong because that could have been the chance for Natalie to get rid of Tony if it weren’t for the mandatory fire challenge. At the first TC back, everyone played their HII, so Natalie couldn’t take out Tony. Second one Tony won, no chance there. She could have taken Tony on in the fire challenge, but she said she wasn’t comfortable with it. Cop out? Maybe. While Natalie did not win as many immunity challenges as Tony (though she won the one that did help), she was a beast while at the edge. It’s amazing how many advantages she found and used to get fire tokens, I loved the extortion and Tony’s reaction to it. Don’t get me wrong, Tony did play a strong game. But I would have been just as happy had Natalie won. Hopefully like avid said, it’s the last we’ll see of Extinction for awhile. Oh, and Ben’s sacrifice for Sarah...wow! Guess he knew he wasn’t going to win so he was willing to be voted out. Still, very selfless and courageous, putting friendship above $2 million.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 15, 2020 19:25:16 GMT -5
The final four fire making challenge was instituted in Season 35 and has been used in every season since if I'm not mistaken. And I strongly, strongly disagree that Natalie was just as deserving as Tony, who really should have won unanimously. According to the people on Sele, Natalie played very poorly in the first couple of days, which is why she became a target and was voted out first. The fact that she got four votes just shows how dumb the Edge of Extinction is as a concept, as well as the fact that she had pregame friendships (specifically Jeremy and Tyson) that were more or less unbreakable. And she didn't even play that well when she got back in, as she needed immunity idols to survive and chickened out of challenging Tony in fire herself. Fortunately, Natalie apparently alienated numerous people on the Edge (Rob alluded to this in FTC, but it was confirmed by Dani, Yul, and Wendell, among others) and lost a lot of potential votes. If she had actually managed to win over Tony--who I think played literally the best game ever--because of the Edge, that would have ruined the season. It was a great fire challenge, and the emotion displayed afterwards was heartwarming. And Rob was wrong because that could have been the chance for Natalie to get rid of Tony if it weren’t for the mandatory fire challenge. At the first TC back, everyone played their HII, so Natalie couldn’t take out Tony. Second one Tony won, no chance there. She could have taken Tony on in the fire challenge, but she said she wasn’t comfortable with it. Cop out? Maybe. While Natalie did not win as many immunity challenges as Tony (though she won the one that did help), she was a beast while at the edge. It’s amazing how many advantages she found and used to get fire tokens, I loved the extortion and Tony’s reaction to it. Don’t get me wrong, Tony did play a strong game. But I would have been just as happy had Natalie won. Hopefully like avid said, it’s the last we’ll see of Extinction for awhile. Oh, and Ben’s sacrifice for Sarah...wow! Guess he knew he wasn’t going to win so he was willing to be voted out. Still, very selfless and courageous, putting friendship above $2 million. Fair enough. The extortion made for amazing TV, but I view it similarly to the idol nullifier, which thankfully was not used in WaW. Production got lucky that it worked out the way that it did, but I worry about what would have happened if it wasn't exactly Tony and a semi-attainable demand (there was really nothing stopping them from demanding 1000 fire tokens or some other number that would have been impossible for Tony to pay). I think there should have been a limit on the demand, which would be all the fire tokens in the possession of the target at the time that they read the note (so in Tony's case, it would be three). I think it's kind of ridiculous that Tony had to get fire tokens from three different people in different alliances, though fortunately, his social game was elite enough to pull it off. Natalie certainly did an amazing job of amassing fire tokens while on the Edge, there's no doubt about that.
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