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Post by wyomingpancake on Jul 9, 2020 15:03:34 GMT -5
Vargas IS returning. As well as the other two impactuful seniors from a year ago. PFW will be in the thick of things. He saw my post and decided to prove me wrong. It's the only explanation. I will not be accepting any questions or requests to bring back anyone else's favorite MIVA stars at this time. Its break time
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Post by theonewhovolleys on Jul 9, 2020 23:02:20 GMT -5
Gebert and Zach are both Opposites for McKendree. Who moves to OH? Can they pass? Coenen and Bugee are both returning for a Covid year for Lewis. I would think many of the 10 incoming freshmen will play for Loyola since this past year's freshmen class was a dud. That is a big class. I would hate to be in the 2021 class going to Loyola after such a large class. I believe several of the freshman at Loyola last year red-shirted according to their roster, and I for one am very curious how Brooks progressed cause the kid skies. I bet 2 freshman middles will play since the german kid was kinda disappointing and Piekarski graduated for good. They’ll be a lot better with Zolg back and Denton hopefully staying healthy, although Maffet wasn’t a bad 2nd option at all at OPP; not to mention a year as a starter under the belts of the 2 returning OH’s.
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Post by coug94 on Jul 10, 2020 2:44:53 GMT -5
Gebert and Zach are both Opposites for McKendree. Who moves to OH? Can they pass? Coenen and Bugee are both returning for a Covid year for Lewis. I would think many of the 10 incoming freshmen will play for Loyola since this past year's freshmen class was a dud. That is a big class. I would hate to be in the 2021 class going to Loyola after such a large class. It doesn’t look like the Gebert 5th year transfer is happening
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Post by itsallrelative on Jul 10, 2020 12:53:29 GMT -5
Lindenwood seems to always over perform, so much so that maybe we need to revise our expectations of Lindenwood. Always tough at Lindenwood, they are starting to get better talent, and if they can get a kid to tour their campus and buy into the program, the school has a ton to offer including the business community that is St Louis. If they work at it, they should start to be able to pull better talent from Illinois and Wisconsin, and even Texas and California given the success of the program and what the school can offer. They could very well end up in second because they seem to set players up for success with decent team chemistry, and you might have 3, 4 or 5 losses and still take second. McKendree has arguably the best coach in the league, and McKendree is capable of beating anyone any night. They too are getting better and better talent and also could end up taking second. I think Lindenwood and McKendree benefit from being close to each other...50 min apart (on either side of St. Louis). It seems that they rise together a bit. Nickie has done a tremendous job. This would been Joe's 3rd year...so, not quite as established yet...
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Post by Freeman on Jul 15, 2020 19:37:21 GMT -5
Gebert and Zach are both Opposites for McKendree. Who moves to OH? Can they pass? Coenen and Bugee are both returning for a Covid year for Lewis. I would think many of the 10 incoming freshmen will play for Loyola since this past year's freshmen class was a dud. That is a big class. I would hate to be in the 2021 class going to Loyola after such a large class. It doesn’t look like the Gebert 5th year transfer is happening The Gebert transfer is definitely happening.
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Post by MVBFAN on Jul 15, 2020 19:48:29 GMT -5
Gebert would just play OH no... That's what he played for Team Pineapple.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Jul 15, 2020 20:30:43 GMT -5
Gebert would just play OH no... That's what he played for Team Pineapple. So Gebert played in a so-called 'pro league'. Guess his NCAA eligibility is done. Nice of the VLA to keep the matches on YouTube. Love to hear a comment from rstclaire1. Not good for McKendree.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Jul 15, 2020 20:59:15 GMT -5
Interesting to see an incoming freshmen (Lloy Ball's Son) going to Ball State also played in the VLA matches. Luke Braswell (Penn State) also played not sure if he is returning for a Covid year. Interesting. vinnielopes
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Post by wilbur on Jul 16, 2020 0:28:15 GMT -5
See my comment on other thread about NCAA eligibility.
Also, please make sure to call out Miles Partain and all the other past and current NCAA players that have played in AVP events during college, the list is long.
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Post by volleybro69 on Jul 16, 2020 1:34:26 GMT -5
Gebert would just play OH no... That's what he played for Team Pineapple. So Gebert played in a so-called 'pro league'. Guess his NCAA eligibility is done. Nice of the VLA to keep the matches on YouTube. Love to hear a comment from rstclaire1. Not good for McKendree. If you really knew how this stuff works you would know that he is allowed to do that and will be fine and end up at McKendree.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Jul 16, 2020 7:36:59 GMT -5
So Gebert played in a so-called 'pro league'. Guess his NCAA eligibility is done. Nice of the VLA to keep the matches on YouTube. Love to hear a comment from rstclaire1 . Not good for McKendree. If you really knew how this stuff works you would know that he is allowed to do that and will be fine and end up at McKendree. NCAA Division II - Rule 12.2.3.2 Competition With Professionals. Following initial full-time collegiate enrollment, an individual shall not be eligible for intercollegiate athletics in a sport, if the individual competed on a professional athletics team (per Bylaw 12.02.6) in that sport. The VLA considers itself a 'professional league' he competed on a 'professional team' in a 'match'. This was not a practice. This was considered a game or scrimmage. You can tryout and practice, but no competition. Check it out for free on page 62 of the NCAA DII manual (page 74 on the pdf). Also, NCAA DII rule on definition of 'Professional' team: 12.02.6 Professional Athletics Team. A professional team is any organized team that: (Revised: 1/13/03 effective 8/1/03) (a) .... (b) Declares itself to be professional. But you are right, he should be fine... Sure about that...
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Post by hamberders on Jul 16, 2020 8:00:49 GMT -5
This came up with another version of these US league a few years ago and it seemed like a mess. Quoting the rule book seems like a good arguement. Avp is probably different because a kid’s whole team is not professional.
It sucks that this league is trying to be real but can’t be professional enough to keep kids out of trouble. I would say Gebert is not* transferring..... Hope there is a loophole for Ball.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Jul 16, 2020 8:07:09 GMT -5
See my comment on other thread about NCAA eligibility. Also, please make sure to call out Miles Partain and all the other past and current NCAA players that have played in AVP events during college, the list is long. I did look at the comments. It is rare these days to actually look up and read the rules. You can thank me later. Here is the NCAA DI response to the AVP as an exception to the rule. 12.2.3.2 Competition With Professionals. An individual shall not be eligible for intercollegiate athletics in a sport if the individual ever competed on a professional team (per Bylaw 12.02.12) in that sport. However, an individual may compete on a tennis, golf, two-person beach volleyball or two-person synchronized diving team with persons who are competing for cash or a comparable prize, provided the individual does not receive payment or prize money that exceeds his or her actual and necessary expenses, which may only be provided by the sponsor of the event. (Revised: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, 1/14/97, 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, 4/28/14, 7/31/15)
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Post by MVBFAN on Jul 16, 2020 10:58:26 GMT -5
Gebert would just play OH no... That's what he played for Team Pineapple. So Gebert played in a so-called 'pro league'. Guess his NCAA eligibility is done. Nice of the VLA to keep the matches on YouTube. Love to hear a comment from rstclaire1. Not good for McKendree. As long as he doesn’t accept money it’s completely legal. They even said ON the VLA streams that the NCAA cleared Evan and Dyer to play the event.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Jul 16, 2020 11:26:36 GMT -5
So Gebert played in a so-called 'pro league'. Guess his NCAA eligibility is done. Nice of the VLA to keep the matches on YouTube. Love to hear a comment from rstclaire1 . Not good for McKendree. As long as he doesn’t accept money it’s completely legal. They even said ON the VLA streams that the NCAA cleared Evan and Dyer to play the event. Money doesn't factor in, such an old and misinformed comment. You should read the NCAA manual things have changed. Dyer Ball does not require a wavier. Did you know that? I'm sure the announcer knew this as well, right? He will be fine because according to the D1 manual he has not started his initial enrollment at Ball State. So it is legal, hence all the foreign players in the NCAA that play with pro-feeder teams in their countries. However, this changes once you start your NCAA clock. On the other hand, Gebert, Braswell, Hancock, and any others would not be cleared. This is not the same as playing at USAV Adult Nationals. The outside competition form is signed by the coach, AD, and compliance officer. So McKendree, Penn State, and Pepperdine 'supposedly' cleared them. Not the NCAA. I am sure the announcer knew that, right? But let's look more into this. Since the beginning of these small US pro leagues in the last decade (the other poster mentioned this), no player with NCAA eligibility still remaining has played in them and then returned to the NCAA the next season. Now let's look at the connections of who is in question. Gebert's Dad coached Team Pineapple, Hancock's older brother is on Team Iceman, and obviously we know who Ball's Dad is. I doubt they filled out the paperwork or spoke with their college coaches prior. Time to get on that self-reporting.
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