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Post by trojansc on Aug 9, 2021 14:27:19 GMT -5
This is what I do know. I have never seen so many help wanted signs everywhere. Have you went to a fast food restaurant lately? Often the front doors are closed and they are only doing drive-through due to lack of help. This is a disaster. Do we not care about struggling businesses? Where do you live? It could be the front doors are closed not due to a lack of staff, but due to surging COVID levels and taking precautions. I know several restaurants with a lack of staff currently available in Florida *because* their staff has tested positive for COVID and is unavailable to work. We do care about struggling businesses. It's possible cutting off unemployment might make some businesses struggle even more if spending is significantly reduced, specifically in areas of high unemployment! Yes, that might even be a slight stretch, but, this is a complicated issue, I think everyone acknowledges that. I'm just not convinced that the sole excuse for cutting off unemployment benefits should be that there are people not filling jobs that were unpopular even prior to the pandemic. A casual restaurant has had a sign saying 'help wanted, full time line cook' since prior pandemic, but, I'm sure people see that same sign and attribute it to 'lazy people on unemployment'. I still have yet to see convincing evidence about filling jobs in states that have cut off unemployment versus states who have not. It seems that as brought up already,
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Post by schwartzie on Aug 9, 2021 14:33:16 GMT -5
This is what I do know. I have never seen so many help wanted signs everywhere. Have you went to a fast food restaurant lately? Often the front doors are closed and they are only doing drive-through due to lack of help. This is a disaster. Do we not care about struggling businesses? Where do you live? It could be the front doors are closed not due to a lack of staff, but due to surging COVID levels and taking precautions. I know several restaurants with a lack of staff currently available in Florida *because* their staff has tested positive for COVID and is unavailable to work. We do care about struggling businesses. It's possible cutting off unemployment might make some businesses struggle even more if spending is significantly reduced, specifically in areas of high unemployment! Yes, that might even be a slight stretch, but, this is a complicated issue, I think everyone acknowledges that. I'm just not convinced that the sole excuse for cutting off unemployment benefits should be that there are people not filling jobs that were unpopular even prior to the pandemic. A casual restaurant has had a sign saying 'help wanted, full time line cook' since prior pandemic, but, I'm sure people see that same sign and attribute it to 'lazy people on unemployment'. I still have yet to see convincing evidence about filling jobs in states that have cut off unemployment versus states who have not. It seems that as brought up already, I thought of these things and while I was getting my order I asked why? Their response was that they cannot find anyone to work. The signs in their windows asking for help we’re also a giveaway. Our Covid cases are very moderate.
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Post by trojansc on Aug 9, 2021 14:34:24 GMT -5
I know some people from one of my old employers who have chosen to go to school (or back to finish) which probably was not possible or realistic without unemployment. This is a good thing, IMO, but it still probably pisses people off who thinks they should just be working at Taco Bell anyways. But that specific employer is still contracted to hire those specific workers back when they re-open. They're still closed from when the pandemic started.
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Post by schwartzie on Aug 9, 2021 14:36:18 GMT -5
I know some people from one of my old employers who have chosen to go to school (or back to finish) with the unemployment money. This is a good thing, IMO. But that specific employer is still contracted to hire those specific workers back when they re-open. They're still closed from when the pandemic started. I agree and I think it’s a great thing also but it’s not our job as taxpayers, to fund them while they make these decisions. Why work at all with that mentality?
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Post by trojansc on Aug 9, 2021 14:41:12 GMT -5
I agree and I think it’s a great thing also but it’s not our job as taxpayers, to fund them while they make these decisions. Why work at all with that mentality? In this specific incident, their job is now unavailable. It is related to travel and hospitality. Because of that, and the taxes they have paid into the system for all the years they have worked, they should be getting funding for that, because of situations that were out of their control (pandemic forcing a job closure and reduced travel). Now, they can transition to a new field by furthering their skills and education (which is good for the economy) to allow them to get a job that will pay them a livable wage and also fill jobs that are needed in further skilled fields. It is actually a win-win.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Aug 9, 2021 14:43:09 GMT -5
Thanks MG, I love how you explained it. Now... is n00b's statement ridiculous or merely inaccurate? (Sorry n00b) Couldn't merv refute it as false without also calling it ridiculous? It can be both! But is it? n00b's experience is n00b's experience it may not match yours but that doesn't make it invalid. Saying his experience is universally true is inaccurate but there doesn't need to be vitriol or label it ridiculous. Some of the things you've said I thought didn't jive with my experiences or my friends who have owned and operated small businesses. Instead of calling your statements ridiculous I asked you questions.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2021 14:55:04 GMT -5
I know some people from one of my old employers who have chosen to go to school (or back to finish) with the unemployment money. This is a good thing, IMO. But that specific employer is still contracted to hire those specific workers back when they re-open. They're still closed from when the pandemic started. I agree and I think it’s a great thing also but it’s not our job as taxpayers, to fund them while they make these decisions. Why work at all with that mentality? Why is it our job as taxpayers to fund educating people until they are 18, but suddenly it's not our job to fund educating them after that? Anyway, I think it would be a better world if "work" and "survival" were disconnected. If people could work at what they were good at and what they liked to do rather than what they had to do in order to stay alive. I'm not sure if that world is practically possible or not, but I do think it would be better.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Aug 9, 2021 15:03:56 GMT -5
I agree and I think it’s a great thing also but it’s not our job as taxpayers, to fund them while they make these decisions. Why work at all with that mentality? Anyway, I think it would be a better world if "work" and "survival" were disconnected. If people could work at what they were good at and what they liked to do rather than what they had to do in order to stay alive. I'm not sure if that world is practically possible or not, but I do think it would be better. MG even though I'm a Pepsi guy, I would gladly buy a pair of those rose colored glasses you have and drink a Coke with you.
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Post by cindra on Aug 9, 2021 16:40:52 GMT -5
This is what I do know. I have never seen so many help wanted signs everywhere. Have you went to a fast food restaurant lately? Often the front doors are closed and they are only doing drive-through due to lack of help. This is a disaster. Do we not care about struggling businesses? Where do you live? Either western Nebraska or just outside of LA I assume
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Post by trojansc on Aug 9, 2021 16:43:35 GMT -5
Either western Nebraska or just outside of LA I assume And if it was western Nebraska, and if the story is true and every fast-food restaurant he's going to does need help, it would be consistent with the point that Nebraska cut off unemployment benefits two months ago. Why are they still unable to fill these positions? Was that unemployment so good that everyone can retire off it and never work again? Crazy.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 9, 2021 16:49:25 GMT -5
Either western Nebraska or just outside of LA I assume After his comment about the Southern border, Las Vegas moved the odds on Western NE to -800.
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Post by schwartzie on Aug 9, 2021 17:27:27 GMT -5
Either western Nebraska or just outside of LA I assume After his comment about the Southern border, Las Vegas moved the odds on Western NE to -800. Or maybe people just aren’t able to handle an opposing opinion on this board? Could that be the case? My girls bought Girl Scout cookies from Madonna.
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Post by cindra on Aug 9, 2021 17:27:59 GMT -5
Nailed it
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Post by moody on Aug 9, 2021 21:44:29 GMT -5
I know some people from one of my old employers who have chosen to go to school (or back to finish) with the unemployment money. This is a good thing, IMO. But that specific employer is still contracted to hire those specific workers back when they re-open. They're still closed from when the pandemic started. I agree and I think it’s a great thing also but it’s not our job as taxpayers, to fund them while they make these decisions. Why work at all with that mentality? Why is it our job to cover the tax bills for companies like Amazon?
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Post by trojansc on Aug 19, 2021 21:11:19 GMT -5
Anyone see Biden's statement today?
Apparently states will have the *option* to extend Unemployment money. I don't know if this means for example if State A gives $200/week if they will be able to extend the 200, OR keep it extended WITH the 300$ extension for a full $500 week.
I don't know how long it would last either. But, it is an interesting development in this. As this has been politicized, we could likely see Republican states not allowing the benefit and Democratic states continuing it. If this has any real impact on the job market, maybe we will eventually see clear cut evidence about the allegation of workforce discrepancies due to unemployment.
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