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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 7, 2021 15:36:43 GMT -5
I intensely dislike tipping. I am just fine with paying for things (and buy some pretty expensive things sometimes). I am just fine with paying a premium for quality, including quality service. But I hate tipping. It's so very "master-servant". So very "obligatory-voluntary". It's nice to go to places where there is no expected tipping.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 7, 2021 16:02:13 GMT -5
Could be. I bet the best servers and bartenders would lose money if tipping goes away. If that's true (which it's probably not), it would apply to about .5% of all serving and bartending jobs. I'm not sure I agree with this, at all. And I think even if you take away best from n00b's statement, it holds true. How much money do you really think an Applebee's/IHOP/whatever server is going to get paid if tipping goes away? There's a lot of motivation now for bartenders/servers to work hard. Untaxed income would also go away. Though we are trending in a direction where this doesn't matter as much (depending on the area or even type of restaurant you work in). The % of people paying (or at least tipping) with cash is decreasing overall, but, can vary greatly. I seriously question the % of servers/bartenders claiming 100% of their tips. I think tipping going away benefits every hourly restaurant position except the servers and bartenders, who have the greatest disparity in income from their counterparts.
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Post by Mocha on Sept 7, 2021 16:04:37 GMT -5
I think tipping is great, especially if people like my fries. š
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 7, 2021 16:29:17 GMT -5
If that's true (which it's probably not), it would apply to about .5% of all serving and bartending jobs. I'm not sure I agree with this, at all. And I think even if you take away best from n00b's statement, it holds true. How much money do you really think an Applebee's/IHOP/whatever server is going to get paid if tipping goes away? There's a lot of motivation now for bartenders/servers to work hard. Untaxed income would also go away. Though we are trending in a direction where this doesn't matter as much (depending on the area or even type of restaurant you work in). The % of people paying (or at least tipping) with cash is decreasing overall, but, can vary greatly. I seriously question the % of servers/bartenders claiming 100% of their tips. I think tipping going away benefits every hourly restaurant position except the servers and bartenders, who have the greatest disparity in income from their counterparts. Tipping going away hurts servers and bartenders if they get paid minimum wage. There will be upward pressure on those wages (particularly at establishments with higher price points) given the constraints. Honestly, I would say there has been a "worker shortage" in these places for a while - most of the chain restaurants I drive by almost continually had help wanted signs/messages on their billboards/marquees (whatever they're called) since well before COVID. It just became a political issue with the $300 UI enhancement.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 7, 2021 16:38:18 GMT -5
How much money do you really think an Applebee's/IHOP/whatever server is going to get paid if tipping goes away? The market wage? Restaurants would have to comply with local, state, and federal minimums and have to compete for employees by paying more than that for the best workers. There's a lot of motivation for *me* to work hard. My paycheck. I don't see how eliminating tipping changes that calculus for FOH staff. This is true! I haven't waited tables in more than a decade, but back then there were still a fair number of customers paying cash. I bet that's declined considerably. This depends on where one works, right? I started out in a "nice" locally-owned steakhouse where our servers worked 35ish hours a week and made $40k-50k annually. Bartenders a little bit more. Kitchen staff was more in the $10-14/hour range. When I was at a Don Pablo's (RIP) the tipped staff wasn't anywhere near that income level and our highest paid employees were all in the back. FWIW, the BLS lists the median hourly rate for "waiters and waitresses" as $11.42/hr and "bartenders" as $12.00/hr. So a $15 minimum wage would certainly impact income for a whole bunch of people in those jobs.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 7, 2021 16:41:02 GMT -5
Tipping going away hurts servers and bartenders if they get paid minimum wage. There will be upward pressure on those wages (particularly at establishments with higher price points) given the constraints. Honestly, I would say there has been a "worker shortage" in these places for a while - most of the chain restaurants I drive by almost continually had help wanted signs/messages on their billboards/marquees (whatever they're called) since well before COVID. It just became a political issue with the $300 UI enhancement. But Iām not sure how many of those now hiring signs are for the highest paid positions, which are (generally) servers and bartenders. I wonder. Iād also be very interested to see a study on what % of servers and bartenders make more than their managerial counterparts, GMās aside. A lot of restaurant managers are underpaid and in most scenarios, not tipped.
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Post by gobruins on Sept 8, 2021 7:50:41 GMT -5
The included gratuity actual causes me to spend less than I would normally. I tend to tip 20% (or more if service is REALLY good). Now I pay the 18% and leave it at that. Why? Why would you not add a tip if the service is really good? If the service is really good at the grocery store, do you tip the cashier? If the service is really good at the dentist, do you tip the dental hygienist? If the service is really good at the bank, do you tip the teller?
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Post by moody on Sept 8, 2021 8:32:04 GMT -5
Why? Why would you not add a tip if the service is really good? If the service is really good at the grocery store, do you tip the cashier? If the service is really good at the dentist, do you tip the dental hygienist? If the service is really good at the bank, do you tip the teller? I TIP THEM ALL!!!
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Post by XAsstCoach on Sept 8, 2021 10:39:59 GMT -5
There is a restaurant chain here called HaiDiLao (ęµ·åŗę) that serves hot pot. I believe there are a few of these stores in the US, and throughout Asia. Food is above average, restaurant atmosphere is kind of like Friendlyās in the US. A family of four could easily rack up $85-100 for the dining bill. One thing that struck me about this chain is that no matter which store you visit, the service is exceptional! Very courteous, very helpfulā¦everyā¦singleā¦time. Sign up for their free membership and if you are a frequent visitor, they lavish you with free gifts (HaiDiLao hotpot soup baseā¦can find it on Amazon š¤£) and a large plate of fruit. Iād like to know what their incentive/format is that makes all the employees be so courteous, because in China no tipping is required and itās nice to get this level of service from the staff. I also want to visit one in the US to see if the service is just as good, specially if they donāt require any tipping.
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Post by n00b on Sept 8, 2021 11:59:55 GMT -5
There is a restaurant chain here called HaiDiLao (ęµ·åŗę) that serves hot pot. I believe there are a few of these stores in the US, and throughout Asia. Food is above average, restaurant atmosphere is kind of like Friendlyās in the US. A family of four could easily rack up $85-100 for the dining bill. One thing that struck me about this chain is that no matter which store you visit, the service is exceptional! Very courteous, very helpfulā¦everyā¦singleā¦time. Sign up for their free membership and if you are a frequent visitor, they lavish you with free gifts (HaiDiLao hotpot soup baseā¦can find it on Amazon š¤£) and a large plate of fruit. Iād like to know what their incentive/format is that makes all the employees be so courteous, because in China no tipping is required and itās nice to get this level of service from the staff. I also want to visit one in the US to see if the service is just as good, specially if they donāt require any tipping. I'd say the same thing about Chick-Fil-A in comparison to all other American fast food restaurants.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 25, 2021 1:13:26 GMT -5
So we're at about 3 weeks post unemployment expiration federally across every state in the USA. Everyone starting to see those 'NOW HIRING' signs go down yet, or naw?
Then again, like I said, many people had their hours reduced here. Extending unemployment benefits could also be a good thing (I know a lot of people don't realize this but you *can* collect partial unemployment after returning to work if you had hours reduced or the income you are making does not go over limits and you will receive at least some additional compensation.
Doesn't that seem like something that could be agreed upon by *both sides* of this debate? Getting people back to work + some additional compensation for what they've lost. Good for the economy all around and at a much smaller cost, right?
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Post by guest2 on Sept 25, 2021 6:13:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree with this, at all. And I think even if you take away best from n00b's statement, it holds true. How much money do you really think an Applebee's/IHOP/whatever server is going to get paid if tipping goes away? There's a lot of motivation now for bartenders/servers to work hard. Untaxed income would also go away. Though we are trending in a direction where this doesn't matter as much (depending on the area or even type of restaurant you work in). The % of people paying (or at least tipping) with cash is decreasing overall, but, can vary greatly. I seriously question the % of servers/bartenders claiming 100% of their tips. I think tipping going away benefits every hourly restaurant position except the servers and bartenders, who have the greatest disparity in income from their counterparts. Tipping going away hurts servers and bartenders if they get paid minimum wage. There will be upward pressure on those wages (particularly at establishments with higher price points) given the constraints. Honestly, I would say there has been a "worker shortage" in these places for a while - most of the chain restaurants I drive by almost continually had help wanted signs/messages on their billboards/marquees (whatever they're called) since well before COVID. It just became a political issue with the $300 UI enhancement. Beyond the economic consequences the elimination of tipping would drastically curtail the rampant sexual harassment waitresses suffer. Pretty much daily a huge portion of the women in the service industry have to make a decision between giving up part of their salary - which is what tips are - or pretending creepy overtures, smiles, remarks etc. were ok.
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Post by n00b on Sept 25, 2021 7:38:09 GMT -5
So we're at about 3 weeks post unemployment expiration federally across every state in the USA. Everyone starting to see those 'NOW HIRING' signs go down yet, or naw? Then again, like I said, many people had their hours reduced here. Extending unemployment benefits could also be a good thing (I know a lot of people don't realize this but you *can* collect partial unemployment after returning to work if you had hours reduced or the income you are making does not go over limits and you will receive at least some additional compensation. Doesn't that seem like something that could be agreed upon by *both sides* of this debate? Getting people back to work + some additional compensation for what they've lost. Good for the economy all around and at a much smaller cost, right? With no time limits? There are arguments for and against UBI too. Iām not totally convinced that this isnāt just an argument to back door into UBI without calling it that.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 25, 2021 8:03:33 GMT -5
Doesn't that seem like something that could be agreed upon by *both sides* of this debate? Getting people back to work + some additional compensation for what they've lost. Good for the economy all around and at a much smaller cost, right? That presumes two parties wanted to extend unemployment benefits. There wasn't even *one* party which wanted to do that.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 25, 2021 9:34:04 GMT -5
Doesn't that seem like something that could be agreed upon by *both sides* of this debate? Getting people back to work + some additional compensation for what they've lost. Good for the economy all around and at a much smaller cost, right? That presumes two parties wanted to extend unemployment benefits. There wasn't even *one* party which wanted to do that. That's true, but I was referring to extending unemployment benefits (in that last part) only for people who returned to work/and or lost wages, which isn't what I would believe, but I'd imagine would be at least more possible for those who are against it. But since I know there were some proposals by at least some R's (return to work bonus), maybe it could happen. Though that went nowhere just like AOC's 'bill' recently is probably going to go nowhere too.
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