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Post by VolleyballMag on Jul 8, 2020 9:08:31 GMT -5
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Post by dontpush on Jul 8, 2020 9:58:33 GMT -5
I am very intrigued to watch Troy Field in triples. That vertical should play up ridiculous in grass.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 8, 2020 15:34:03 GMT -5
I am very intrigued to watch Troy Field in triples. That vertical should play up ridiculous in grass. My guess is the Bomgrens will carry him, just because he can fly does not mean it will translate to the grass. Being able to use his hands will certainly be a plus, but a lot of this field are vets of a grass tourney and to my knowledge his higher level type of game has only come playing on the beach. With the tourney getting cut 50% you are basically jumping right into playoffs losing all those morning warm up games, is that going to be enough time for him to get acclimated and be consistent in the actual playoffs? Does he have other shots than the high, cheap rolls that are going to get eaten up by a good grass defender easily, or will it be an all power swing type of day?
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Post by dontpush on Jul 8, 2020 16:20:56 GMT -5
I am very intrigued to watch Troy Field in triples. That vertical should play up ridiculous in grass. My guess is the Bomgrens will carry him, just because he can fly does not mean it will translate to the grass. Being able to use his hands will certainly be a plus, but a lot of this field are vets of a grass tourney and to my knowledge his higher level type of game has only come playing on the beach. With the tourney getting cut 50% you are basically jumping right into playoffs losing all those morning warm up games, is that going to be enough time for him to get acclimated and be consistent in the actual playoffs? Does he have other shots than the high, cheap rolls that are going to get eaten up by a good grass defender easily, or will it be an all power swing type of day? Absolutely agree, hence the intrigue. He did play trips in the FIVB Snow Volleyball so that should at least help him with structure. Even with little sand experience hes still been very fun to watch so I'm hoping for similar in grass. And it never hurts to sky lol. Hoping to have opposite schedules to check out their pool play.
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Post by graham on Jul 8, 2020 16:39:29 GMT -5
I'm honestly curious; aside from the obvious, what different strategies or nuances would Troy need to pick up on? I have to admit I've never actually played in a grass triples tournament. I pretty much went from indoor in college to sand 2's and never looked back. Tim Bomgren said in the article, it's more of a bangers game, not a ball control and vision game. Usually it's much easier for physically gifted athletes to move from a cerebral, ball control game to a purely physical game. Wouldn't the fact that he can just out-jump everyone (and he will) and bang away work to his advantage. And with the extra player to assist with serve receive and defense, the "out of system" plays where we've seen Troy attempt whacky windmill shots or, as you put it, "cheap" high roll shots, would be far less.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 8, 2020 17:10:21 GMT -5
I'm honestly curious; aside from the obvious, what different strategies or nuances would Troy need to pick up on? I have to admit I've never actually played in a grass triples tournament. I pretty much went from indoor in college to sand 2's and never looked back. Tim Bomgren said in the article, it's more of a bangers game, not a ball control and vision game. Usually it's much easier for physically gifted athletes to move from a cerebral, ball control game to a purely physical game. Wouldn't the fact that he can just out-jump everyone (and he will) and bang away work to his advantage. And with the extra player to assist with serve receive and defense, the "out of system" plays where we've seen Troy attempt whacky windmill shots or, as you put it, "cheap" high roll shots, would be far less. I don't know how many people he will be out jumping with a goofy footed approach and other skywalkers that are used to the grass game, once the better grass players get tired of him banging they will double block and force a hard drive or a shot which we have seen him struggle at. Jeff Samuals is another guy that can fly, but is probably a better beach player than he is in the grass. His blocking has also been pretty criticized and this is a big solo block game until you are getting killed, so now he will be solo blocking against guys that are basically attacking as if they were indoor. I am guessing they will put him on the left and alternate with BB, or TB will set in the playoffs and let him play on the right. You definitely still need ball control and while you can use your hands it is still a two man serve receive, unless getting killed, where you would drop your third back for a 3 man. Out of system attacking in the grass, especially if windy, will still produce challenges. The other thing is the serving game, will he be able to serve aggressive enough to take teams out of system otherwise they will be seeing quick sets and movement comparative to an indoor game. You will absolutely see some big swings, but when it comes down to it the grass game is more forgiving to a complete player rather than someone who excels at one particular thing. A few rule changes if you are not used to grass are Hands on SR, and no let serve. No tips like normal and sets over the net only if square, should still be a really fun day as the Bomgrens are first ballot hall of fame Waupaca players and will get him in the right spot now doubt.
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Post by beavis on Jul 8, 2020 21:01:44 GMT -5
Anyone have a link to the brackets? We just got in and went to the venue - it is really out in the middle of the cornfields! They have 12 sand courts set up - six in each line - looks like nice, hardpacked sand! Also went to the Bar, where they have four indoor sand courts and a few outside courts - pretty cool sports bar! Oshkosh is a lot bigger, population-wise, than we thought - the lakes are gorgeous - must be a great place to live for 4 or 5 months out of the year!
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Post by volleymom2016 on Jul 8, 2020 21:06:16 GMT -5
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Post by beavis on Jul 8, 2020 22:19:05 GMT -5
Thanks very much, VolleyMom!!!
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 9, 2020 6:32:47 GMT -5
Belov/Prima going to ruin some days if Andre in any shape.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 9, 2020 8:55:04 GMT -5
I'm honestly curious; aside from the obvious, what different strategies or nuances would Troy need to pick up on? I have to admit I've never actually played in a grass triples tournament. I pretty much went from indoor in college to sand 2's and never looked back. Tim Bomgren said in the article, it's more of a bangers game, not a ball control and vision game. Usually it's much easier for physically gifted athletes to move from a cerebral, ball control game to a purely physical game. Wouldn't the fact that he can just out-jump everyone (and he will) and bang away work to his advantage. And with the extra player to assist with serve receive and defense, the "out of system" plays where we've seen Troy attempt whacky windmill shots or, as you put it, "cheap" high roll shots, would be far less. I don't know how many people he will be out jumping with a goofy footed approach and other skywalkers that are used to the grass game, once the better grass players get tired of him banging they will double block and force a hard drive or a shot which we have seen him struggle at. Jeff Samuals is another guy that can fly, but is probably a better beach player than he is in the grass. His blocking has also been pretty criticized and this is a big solo block game until you are getting killed, so now he will be solo blocking against guys that are basically attacking as if they were indoor. I am guessing they will put him on the left and alternate with BB, or TB will set in the playoffs and let him play on the right. You definitely still need ball control and while you can use your hands it is still a two man serve receive, unless getting killed, where you would drop your third back for a 3 man. Out of system attacking in the grass, especially if windy, will still produce challenges. The other thing is the serving game, will he be able to serve aggressive enough to take teams out of system otherwise they will be seeing quick sets and movement comparative to an indoor game. You will absolutely see some big swings, but when it comes down to it the grass game is more forgiving to a complete player rather than someone who excels at one particular thing. A few rule changes if you are not used to grass are Hands on SR, and no let serve. No tips like normal and sets over the net only if square, should still be a really fun day as the Bomgrens are first ballot hall of fame Waupaca players and will get him in the right spot now doubt. Im not sure how grass would transform the best jumper on the AVP to something else. I cant recall ever seeing a player's jump change a ton relative to their peers in the grass/sand transition (except in grass players playing sand for the first time) and I grew up playing lots of East Coast grass when it was a huge thing. Also if he can draw a double block then hasn't he effectively done his job if Tim is hitting on the other side? I agree he will have issues with some of the nuances, but in terms of both hitting and blocking, I think he will be just fine. Id say the problem area, if any is likely to do with serving because grass tends to be very old school in terms of just bombing jump serves and receiving tough serves Either way its hard to imagine Troy is not a huge upgrade over the Bomgrens usual team, although having played together forever is probably an advantage for those 4 guys. Finally I think you are wrong about grass being more forgiving than sand. A set 7 feet off to a good hitter on grass is much less of an issue than the same set on sand and for that reason weaker passers suffer less.
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Post by lilbaby on Jul 9, 2020 9:05:55 GMT -5
Belov/Prima going to ruin some days if Andre in any shape. If Belov is making the trip, he’s either in good shape or he’s really missing playing ball. Either way he’s gonna rip some serves
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Post by butteryhands on Jul 9, 2020 9:06:26 GMT -5
Tim is planning on being the setter. Troy will certainly be entertaining and have the freshest legs on the team since he won't be playing twos like the rest of the team. Hopefully he doesn't bust out that stupid flipper too much.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 9, 2020 9:50:50 GMT -5
Tim is planning on being the setter. Troy will certainly be entertaining and have the freshest legs on the team since he won't be playing twos like the rest of the team. Hopefully he doesn't bust out that stupid flipper too much. Troy is going out there to only play trips? What a strange decision
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 9, 2020 10:15:21 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to seeing Roschitz / Connole finally get pushed (and not favored) in a tournament.
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