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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 11:29:19 GMT -5
I was so exasperated with the way the WVB program changed its interaction with fans after that decision...I want to say that the university has every right to limit contact with student-athletes and student-athlete parents as it sees fit... but I also want to say that the difference between the University of Illinois and Stanford was like night and day. Illinois genuinely welcomed fans at all matches, and Coach Hardin once shook the hand of every Illinois fan who attended a match at Purdue as we left (the Illini had just lost in five incredibly long sets). At Stanford, there's a country club with no membership cards but a delineating line between who is in and who is out. Alumni are in, extremely heavy donors (five figures per annum) are in and members of the local club volleyball community are in. There are a few others, but not many... and always at the team's discretion. What do you mean by "limit contact with student-athletes and student-athlete parents"? |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 9, 2020 11:44:41 GMT -5
I wonder if USA volleyball will make a post or raise awareness
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Post by theballneverlies on Jul 9, 2020 13:36:37 GMT -5
Someone I know was in talks with the Stanford MVB recruiting staff a little bit before COVID-19 became so prominent and shut down travel between countries. Stanford had expressed interest, but the last email that was received from Stanford (which asked about more information from them) was on March 20th, 2020. After that, it was radio silent. At the time, the recruit thought that they had maybe found someone else or had lost interest, but it might have been the Athletic department telling them (and possibly other sports) to stop recruiting efforts. In light of this news, this puts an additional perspective on this and I am just so sad for the players involved--past, present, and future. Actually, Stanford moved forward with three 2021 recruits that I know of, giving each of them an application in late March, and asking them to commit to the Stanford admissions process. All 3 boys discontinued discussions with other schools, submitted applications in June (after junior year grades were in), and were waiting for admission decisions when this news was announced yesterday. They are now being told “tough luck”. They can roll their applications over to the regular admission process or withdraw. Meanwhile, D1 rosters have filled up. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 9, 2020 14:08:29 GMT -5
I wonder if USA volleyball will make a post or raise awareness Raising awareness is nice and all, but it won't move the needle most likely. I signed the petition and hope that it at least gives the AD pause. But if bringing back the team is going to become a reality, it's going to take a self-sustaining endowment. To meet their current budgetary considerations, the endowment would need to be in the ballpark of $20 million to produce the $850k-$1 million necessary to make it sustainable. Who is breaking out their checkbooks? |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 9, 2020 14:10:01 GMT -5
Someone I know was in talks with the Stanford MVB recruiting staff a little bit before COVID-19 became so prominent and shut down travel between countries. Stanford had expressed interest, but the last email that was received from Stanford (which asked about more information from them) was on March 20th, 2020. After that, it was radio silent. At the time, the recruit thought that they had maybe found someone else or had lost interest, but it might have been the Athletic department telling them (and possibly other sports) to stop recruiting efforts. In light of this news, this puts an additional perspective on this and I am just so sad for the players involved--past, present, and future. Actually, Stanford moved forward with three 2021 recruits that I know of, giving each of them an application in late March, and asking them to commit to the Stanford admissions process. All 3 boys discontinued discussions with other schools, submitted applications in June (after junior year grades were in), and were waiting for admission decisions when this news was announced yesterday. They are now being told “tough luck”. They can roll their applications over to the regular admission process or withdraw. Meanwhile, D1 rosters have filled up. Definitely a tough situation. Even if Stanford MVB and other sports are reinstated (which sounds unlikely at this point), there will be attrition of recruited athletes as they try to navigate this decision. |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 9, 2020 14:13:29 GMT -5
I wonder if USA volleyball will make a post or raise awareness Raising awareness is nice and all, but it won't move the needle most likely. I signed the petition and hope that it at least gives the AD pause. But if bringing back the team is going to become a reality, it's going to take a self-sustaining endowment. To meet their current budgetary considerations, the endowment would need to be in the ballpark of $20 million to produce the $850k-$1 million necessary to make it sustainable. Who is breaking out their checkbooks? You’re right — The budgetary concerns seem to be the end all be all here. I don’t necessarily fault Stanford for wanting to ensure their economic sustainability and academic quality/reputation/what not. I’m sure they considered other things and this is what they thought was best, even if it is unfair to many people. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 9, 2020 16:39:10 GMT -5
I wonder if USA volleyball will make a post or raise awareness Raising awareness is nice and all, but it won't move the needle most likely. I signed the petition and hope that it at least gives the AD pause. But if bringing back the team is going to become a reality, it's going to take a self-sustaining endowment. To meet their current budgetary considerations, the endowment would need to be in the ballpark of $20 million to produce the $850k-$1 million necessary to make it sustainable. Who is breaking out their checkbooks? + another however many million for a women's sport for Title IX balance |
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Post by LTyee23 on Jul 9, 2020 16:50:53 GMT -5
USA Volleyball may need to start considering life in a post-NCAA world. Think about it, if Stanford is cutting their program - and they are one of the most financially stable universities out there - then what does that mean for the rest. It seems plausible, if not likely, that a bunch of programs could follow Stanford in this decision. It doesn't seem that hard to imagine a world where in a few years where you are left with Hawaii, BYU, UCLA, Pepperdine, and maybe a few others being the only major programs left.
UCSD, UCI, UCSB, Ohio State, Penn State, Loyola-Chicago, all of these schools are likely going to be making major cuts in the next few years. It isn't hard to imagine these schools giving men's volleyball getting the axe. And that's not even mentioning schools lie Quincy, St. Francis, Sacred Heart, (all of the Conference Carolinas); a lot of these universities might not even exist in a few years, further thinning the ranks.
This could become a truly apocalyptic for the sport, and if not handled properly, I think you could see men's volleyball in the US becoming increasingly nonexistent. I don't think it would be premature to start looking into other ways to organize the sport. Maybe you could adopt a quasi European system and divert resources and focus to the junior clubs, which seem relatively successful. I don't know how well it would work, but getting out from under the thumb of the NCAA and the collegiate system to some extent seems like something to look into.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 9, 2020 17:07:47 GMT -5
USA Volleyball may need to start considering life in a post-NCAA world. Think about it, if Stanford is cutting their program - and they are one of the most financially stable universities out there - then what does that mean for the rest. It seems plausible, if not likely, that a bunch of programs could follow Stanford in this decision. It doesn't seem that hard to imagine a world where in a few years where you are left with Hawaii, BYU, UCLA, Pepperdine, and maybe a few others being the only major programs left. UCSD, UCI, UCSB, Ohio State, Penn State, Loyola-Chicago, all of these schools are likely going to be making major cuts in the next few years. It isn't hard to imagine these schools giving men's volleyball getting the axe. And that's not even mentioning schools lie Quincy, St. Francis, Sacred Heart, (all of the Conference Carolinas); a lot of these universities might not even exist in a few years, further thinning the ranks. This could become a truly apocalyptic for the sport, and if not handled properly, I think you could see men's volleyball in the US becoming increasingly nonexistent. I don't think it would be premature to start looking into other ways to organize the sport. Maybe you could adopt a quasi European system and divert resources and focus to the junior clubs, which seem relatively successful. I don't know how well it would work, but getting out from under the thumb of the NCAA and the collegiate system to some extent seems like something to look into. USAV has been considering the growth of men's volleyball a success when a number of small universities in marginal enrollment/financial circumstances added the sport as an attempt to lure students. This detracted from the fact that at the major levels MVB had been taking a step back (see Pacific dropping it), and these "gains" were not stable to begin with. |
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Post by alexjones on Jul 9, 2020 18:29:28 GMT -5
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Post by fetchin on Jul 9, 2020 18:43:38 GMT -5
The stanford ad is a joke, very bad decision even if it will help out the la schools big time.
Stanford probably loses three times as much money on their football program, than all of the sports getting cut combined.
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Post by Confucius on Jul 10, 2020 10:49:05 GMT -5
Ehh I don't think this is the best example. While I understand the sentiment and agree spending has gotten out of hand, football at LSU is King. The argument is they bring in all the money (MBB and Baseball I believe bring in some as well) and therefore they are gonna get this type of treatment. They'll start dumping sports before they consider touching that football program especially after a National Title. |
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Post by robonthemic on Jul 10, 2020 11:32:45 GMT -5
The Men's Volleyball Team at Stanford is not going down without a fight-- and it seems a LOT of the alumni MVB community (along with Geeter who commented on Kyler Presho's post) will be supporting the effort in one form or another... http://instagram.com/p/CCceiOMFLQi |
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Post by BearClause on Jul 10, 2020 12:20:00 GMT -5
Just think this is an a.d. pruning his tree. Stanford had many A.D.s in the past who embraced sports and wanted to make their students happy by providing many opportunities to grow into well rounded intelligent citizaens, so they offered as many activities as was plausible. However, the ammount of work and support having all these activities is huge. The current a.d. with a background in traditional sports just pruned his tree. Nothing more, nothing less. Although the covid matter allowed him to rationalize his desire for an easier life. I bet he has been thinking about this for a long time and he was able to get some trustees on board with him. There are a lot of people who are pro certain sports and activities and biased against others. Hooefully, those intelligent kids with the desire to continue their activities now choose a university that provides them an opportunity to pursue their academic passions along with their sporting life passions. Stanford just became a little less special. Many of the sports weren't NCAA sports. Also - any scholarships at Stanford are extremely expensive. And for those asking about the endowment - that's the general endowment. While Stanford likely has a large athletic endowment, I'd be surprise if it hasn't been tapped into heavily in recent years. Weren't they already talking about dropping several sports a few years ago? This of course affects how their competitiveness for the Directors' Cup. Having a lot of sports to pick the top performers certainly helped. |
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Post by Miva2017 on Jul 11, 2020 0:22:52 GMT -5
Raising awareness is nice and all, but it won't move the needle most likely. I signed the petition and hope that it at least gives the AD pause. But if bringing back the team is going to become a reality, it's going to take a self-sustaining endowment. To meet their current budgetary considerations, the endowment would need to be in the ballpark of $20 million to produce the $850k-$1 million necessary to make it sustainable. Who is breaking out their checkbooks? You’re right — The budgetary concerns seem to be the end all be all here. I don’t necessarily fault Stanford for wanting to ensure their economic sustainability and academic quality/reputation/what not. I’m sure they considered other things and this is what they thought was best, even if it is unfair to many people. I find it very hard for a school with a 27 billion endowment , yes 27 billion endowment has to cut any non revenue sport...smh |
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