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Post by dizzydean on Jul 8, 2020 17:12:37 GMT -5
What in the world are you ranting about? They're doing the responsible thing. Just like they did in March. Responsible for who exactly? Because it seems to me like just an easy opportunity to not deal with restructuring gameplay/practicing, liability issues(which i can see, because screw anyone who tries to sue for saying they “got Covid” at here or there), and making it easier for them to advocate program cuts (Stanford Men’s VB) vs salary cuts. Or do you agree that students should pay full price for a year of online courses? It probably sounded like a rant because that’s just me lol but do a decent amount of digging into how this country’s universities allocate funds and you might have a change of heart Responsible for their students, staff, and faculty so they don't get infected? Perhaps? And your "easy opportunity" is filled with pitfalls, problems, logistics issues, etc. Look, pro teams are not sure they can pull this off, why in the world would it be an "easy opportunity" for Ivies?
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Post by bigfan on Jul 8, 2020 17:13:11 GMT -5
"I Called IT"
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Post by aztecbuff on Jul 8, 2020 17:14:02 GMT -5
Official release - Direct link - ivyleague.com/news/2020/7/8/general-ivy-league-outlines-intercollegiate-athletics-plans-no-competition-in-fall-semester.aspx" PRINCETON, N.J. -- Amidst continuing health and safety concerns due to the global COVID-19 pandemic, the Ivy League Council of Presidents has set in place plans for intercollegiate athletics activity in the upcoming fall semester. With the safety and well-being of students as their highest priority, Ivy League institutions are implementing campus-wide policies including restrictions on student and staff travel, requirements for social distancing, limits on group gatherings, and regulations for visitors to campus. As athletics is expected to operate consistent with campus policies, it will not be possible for Ivy League teams to participate in intercollegiate athletics competition prior to the end of the fall semester. Practice and other athletic training opportunities for enrolled student-athletes will be permitted provided they are structured in accordance with each institution’s procedures and applicable state regulations. The Ivy League will also issue guidelines on a phased approach to conditioning and practice activities to allow for interaction among student-athletes and coaches that will begin with limited individual and small group workouts and build to small group practice sessions, if public health conditions permit. Fall sport student-athletes will not use a season of Ivy League or NCAA eligibility in the fall, whether or not they enroll. Students who wish to pursue competition during a fifth-year will need to work with their institutions in accordance with campus policy to determine their options beyond their current anticipated graduation date. Local campus policies for the student body regarding return to campus and in-person learning will apply to student-athletes. A decision on the remaining winter and spring sports competition calendar, and on whether fall sport competition would be feasible in the spring, will be determined at a later date. The Ivy League Council of Presidents offered the following joint statement: “As a leadership group, we have a responsibility to make decisions that are in the best interest of the students who attend our institutions, as well as the faculty and staff who work at our schools. These decisions are extremely difficult, particularly when they impact meaningful student-athlete experiences that so many value and cherish. With the information available to us today regarding the continued spread of the virus, we simply do not believe we can create and maintain an environment for intercollegiate athletic competition that meets our requirements for safety and acceptable levels of risk, consistent with the policies that each of our schools is adopting as part of its reopening plans this fall. We are entrusted to create and maintain an educational environment that is guided by health and safety considerations. There can be no greater responsibility — and that is the basis for this difficult decision.” Ivy League Council of Presidents Christina Paxson, Brown University Lee Bollinger, Columbia University Martha Pollack, Cornell University Philip Hanlon, Dartmouth College Lawrence Bacow, Harvard University Amy Gutmann, University of Pennsylvania Christopher Eisgruber, Princeton University Peter Salovey, Yale University "
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Post by babybacksets on Jul 8, 2020 17:26:57 GMT -5
Responsible for who exactly? Because it seems to me like just an easy opportunity to not deal with restructuring gameplay/practicing, liability issues(which i can see, because screw anyone who tries to sue for saying they “got Covid” at here or there), and making it easier for them to advocate program cuts (Stanford Men’s VB) vs salary cuts. Or do you agree that students should pay full price for a year of online courses? It probably sounded like a rant because that’s just me lol but do a decent amount of digging into how this country’s universities allocate funds and you might have a change of heart Responsible for their students, staff, and faculty so they don't get infected? Perhaps? And your "easy opportunity" is filled with pitfalls, problems, logistics issues, etc. Look, pro teams are not sure they can pull this off, why in the world would it be an "easy opportunity" for Ivies? Again that’s all fine and dandy if it’s their actual motive. But reduce Fall tuition by 50% so people can actually believe that. THAT is where I’m getting at. No one is interested in getting into a debate about the seriousness of the virus at all. But shelling out $50K for a glorified Coursera semester doesn’t make sense to me. I get that the majority of students at any of those schools have parents who can find that amount bunched up in their back pockets and hey if they’re cool with paying full price for the opposite of what they’re paying for, good on them. I simply think this is lazy and more can be done on behalf of current students/family besides telling them to sign up for a zoom account and upgrade their internet lol
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Post by dizzydean on Jul 8, 2020 17:33:40 GMT -5
Responsible for their students, staff, and faculty so they don't get infected? Perhaps? And your "easy opportunity" is filled with pitfalls, problems, logistics issues, etc. Look, pro teams are not sure they can pull this off, why in the world would it be an "easy opportunity" for Ivies? Again that’s all fine and dandy if it’s their actual motive. But reduce Fall tuition by 50% so people can actually believe that. THAT is where I’m getting at. No one is interested in getting into a debate about the seriousness of the virus at all. But shelling out $50K for a glorified Coursera semester doesn’t make sense to me. I get that the majority of students at any of those schools have parents who can find that amount bunched up in their back pockets and hey if they’re cool with paying full price for the opposite of what they’re paying for, good on them. I simply think this is lazy and more can be done on behalf of current students/family besides telling them to sign up for a zoom account and upgrade their internet lol But that has very little to do with the athletics part of this. Keeping athletics going AND virtual courses would be a silly risk on top of having students on campus.
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Post by badgerbreath on Jul 8, 2020 20:55:27 GMT -5
Once Harvard went online, this was inevitable.
Jeebus, I hope we get a vaccine soon.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Jul 8, 2020 21:11:03 GMT -5
I suppose if you want to go to a college where the kids are either celebrities or sons/daughters of celebrities, the Ivys, Stanfords, and USCs would be ideal places for you. Had I gone to Princeton, Brooke Shields would've been my classmate and we'd now be Facebook friends and, who knows, maybe the mother of my 3 kids. But I didn't and my classmates are boring professors at boring universities. Well...if you were "skinny" Russell Crowe back then I think you may have had a shot with Brooke! Well, Russell Crowe was at Princeton but he had Jennifer Connelly with him. Wasn't himself either.
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Post by wmiv1895 on Jul 8, 2020 21:29:38 GMT -5
Once Harvard went online, this was inevitable. Jeebus, I hope we get a vaccine soon. That’s the multi billion upon multi billion dollar question. Sadly we won’t have a vaccine for a while and when we do, will it be better than our current flu vaccine that is only about 30-40% effective some years? Covid is now a part of life forever just like flu. What I have not heard is whether or not Covid has various strains like flu. Anyone know? That’s why the flu shot is only somewhat effective due to the variety of flu strains. We have a flu shot and people still die. Once we get a Covid shot, I’m sadly assuming people will still die. Question: Are we focusing on death rate or transmission rate? Both rates? It will interesting to see how this latest surge affects the death rate. I think we are getting better st treating it so the death rate is declining. So let’s say that cases are increasing every month but the death rate drops down to seasonal flu levels. Would we open “normal life” again. These are things I think about and pray I can keep my job in athletics. Thoughts?
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Post by JT on Jul 8, 2020 21:44:37 GMT -5
Once Harvard went online, this was inevitable. Jeebus, I hope we get a vaccine soon. That’s the multi billion upon multi billion dollar question. Sadly we won’t have a vaccine for a while and when we do, will it be better than our current flu vaccine that is only about 30-40% effective some years? Covid is now a part of life forever just like flu. What I have not heard is whether or not Covid has various strains like flu. Anyone know? That’s why the flu shot is only somewhat effective due to the variety of flu strains. We have a flu shot and people still die. Once we get a Covid shot, I’m sadly assuming people will still die. Question: Are we focusing on death rate or transmission rate? Both rates? It will interesting to see how this latest surge affects the death rate. I think we are getting better st treating it so the death rate is declining. So let’s say that cases are increasing every month but the death rate drops down to seasonal flu levels. Would we open “normal life” again. These are things I think about and pray I can keep my job in athletics. Thoughts? Currently, there is general agreement that the mutations in Covid-19 do not markedly change the "how" of its functioning, and will not impact the efficacy of a vaccine. Of course, since we don't have a vaccine yet (just candidates), that may be more a "hope" than anything else. How effective the vaccine will be is impacted by more than the mutations/strains, of course. I think most of the potential vaccines are aiming for 60-80 percent effective. If so, that should be enough to significantly reduce the transmission rate -- assuming that most of the population is vaccinated. That assumption is also in doubt, though.
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Post by badgerbreath on Jul 8, 2020 22:40:36 GMT -5
Sars-cov-2 doesn't mutate very quickly, unlike most coronaviruses, which tend to mutate a lot, and it mutates much less than influenza viruses. That's a good thing. That much bodes well for a vaccine.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Jul 11, 2020 5:23:44 GMT -5
By cancelling the Fall sports season, will the coaches still be paid?
I’d guess yes, but it’s uncharted territory.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jul 11, 2020 7:36:22 GMT -5
Responsible for their students, staff, and faculty so they don't get infected? Perhaps? And your "easy opportunity" is filled with pitfalls, problems, logistics issues, etc. Look, pro teams are not sure they can pull this off, why in the world would it be an "easy opportunity" for Ivies? Again that’s all fine and dandy if it’s their actual motive. But reduce Fall tuition by 50% so people can actually believe that. THAT is where I’m getting at. No one is interested in getting into a debate about the seriousness of the virus at all. But shelling out $50K for a glorified Coursera semester doesn’t make sense to me. I get that the majority of students at any of those schools have parents who can find that amount bunched up in their back pockets and hey if they’re cool with paying full price for the opposite of what they’re paying for, good on them. I simply think this is lazy and more can be done on behalf of current students/family besides telling them to sign up for a zoom account and upgrade their internet lol The majority of students don’t have that kind of money, nor do they pay full tuition. That’s a pretty big misnomer
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 11, 2020 10:56:03 GMT -5
By cancelling the Fall sports season, will the coaches still be paid? I’d guess yes, but it’s uncharted territory. Yes. No furlough announcements from any of the schools and the coaches I have spoken with have all been told they will be paid.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Jul 11, 2020 11:00:00 GMT -5
By cancelling the Fall sports season, will the coaches still be paid? I’d guess yes, but it’s uncharted territory. Yes. No furlough announcements from any of the schools and the coaches I have spoken with have all been told they will be paid. Knock on wood!
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Post by n00b on Jul 11, 2020 12:38:46 GMT -5
Again that’s all fine and dandy if it’s their actual motive. But reduce Fall tuition by 50% so people can actually believe that. THAT is where I’m getting at. No one is interested in getting into a debate about the seriousness of the virus at all. But shelling out $50K for a glorified Coursera semester doesn’t make sense to me. I get that the majority of students at any of those schools have parents who can find that amount bunched up in their back pockets and hey if they’re cool with paying full price for the opposite of what they’re paying for, good on them. I simply think this is lazy and more can be done on behalf of current students/family besides telling them to sign up for a zoom account and upgrade their internet lol The majority of students don’t have that kind of money, nor do they pay full tuition. That’s a pretty big misnomer Students don’t exactly come from poor families either. The median family income for Harvard undergraduates is $168,800—more than three times the national median, according to a recent study.
With an average student at the 79th income percentile, Harvard’s median family income was the third-lowest in the Ivy League: Brown, with a $204,200 median family income, ranked first. The national median household income in 2015 was $55,775, according to Census data.www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/1/25/harvard-income-percentile/
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