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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 17, 2020 11:08:47 GMT -5
EDIT: per my clubs boys director, these dates have already been changed. Just not announced. C'est la vie. With the impending CIF-SS announcement on Monday, I took a quick look at SCVA's site to see if they posted a schedule for the coming year, and was somewhat surprised they had - link below. FWIW, I'm expecting an abbreviated 2 month schedule for Fall/Winter/Spring, starting in January, with HS VB in May/June - unless they relax the "Outside Competition" rule, the spring portion of the club season is in trouble regardless of where we stand with COVID. How much this will change is an open question, as we all know, but for HS boys: Qualifiers:September 26 (!)October 17 October 18 Points:1. October 31 / November 1 2. November 14 / 15 3. December 5 Holiday Classic: December 12-13 Points: 4. January 9 5. January 10 6. January 23
JBI: January 29-31 Points:7. May 29/30 8. June 6 West Coast Classic:June 11 - 13 BJNC: June 30 - July 7, 2021 www.scvavolleyball.org/page/180020323/180116279/Schedule-copy
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Post by beachdude on Jul 18, 2020 10:04:22 GMT -5
Could be impacted if the SCVA (and other regions) decide to put part of the girls schedule in the fall as well.
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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 20, 2020 12:48:53 GMT -5
CIF just flexed all HS Volleyball to "Fall" Season (December to March) - both girls and boys.
Interestingly, they also suspended the "outside competition" rules for this year.
Going to be an interesting schedule once they work it out - Holiday Classic and JBI are right in the middle of all of that (some big girls events, too, but I don't follow that).
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Post by wilbur on Jul 20, 2020 13:23:56 GMT -5
CIF just flexed all HS Volleyball to "Fall" Season (December to March) - both girls and boys. Interestingly, they also suspended the "outside competition" rules for this year. Going to be an interesting schedule once they work it out - Holiday Classic and JBI are right in the middle of all of that (some big girls events, too, but I don't follow that). seems like they prioritized basketball and let them play last (best chance for covid to clear up). It will be a dog fight for gym time between girls VB, B/G basketball and boys volleyball for gym time. Sounds like the door is open for basketball to train all preseason. I am sure boys VB will be bottom of list for gym time at most schools. Coaches that do both boys and girls are going to be extended... I am sure it will change 10x by September... |
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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 20, 2020 14:07:35 GMT -5
CIF just flexed all HS Volleyball to "Fall" Season (December to March) - both girls and boys. Interestingly, they also suspended the "outside competition" rules for this year. Going to be an interesting schedule once they work it out - Holiday Classic and JBI are right in the middle of all of that (some big girls events, too, but I don't follow that). seems like they prioritized basketball and let them play last (best chance for covid to clear up). It will be a dog fight for gym time between girls VB, B/G basketball and boys volleyball for gym time. Sounds like the door is open for basketball to train all preseason. I am sure boys VB will be bottom of list for gym time at most schools. Coaches that do both boys and girls are going to be extended... I am sure it will change 10x by September... Chatted with our HS coach - she has both girls and boys. It's going to be tough for JV, but she wanted the V's to cross-train (conditioning) already, and this allows (forces, really) the staff to do more position training. The top boys had already been helping the girls practices, and vice versa. Coach is positive it will work out and she staffed large enough it can. We also have 5 practice courts, so ... it should be OK for us. Other schools are not going to be in the same position, obv. And to bring some particular joy to you: our new AD is the former VB coach, taking the position after her son graduated last year (she didn't coach while her son was playing, but took over the MS). She's not gonna let us get screwed after what happened to her son's senior year, BB coaching legend or no. This all assumes they can practice and play, of course. |
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Post by cutshot818 on Jul 20, 2020 14:27:22 GMT -5
CIF just flexed all HS Volleyball to "Fall" Season (December to March) - both girls and boys. Interestingly, they also suspended the "outside competition" rules for this year. Going to be an interesting schedule once they work it out - Holiday Classic and JBI are right in the middle of all of that (some big girls events, too, but I don't follow that). seems like they prioritized basketball and let them play last (best chance for covid to clear up). It will be a dog fight for gym time between girls VB, B/G basketball and boys volleyball for gym time. Sounds like the door is open for basketball to train all preseason. I am sure boys VB will be bottom of list for gym time at most schools. Coaches that do both boys and girls are going to be extended... I am sure it will change 10x by September... They didn't prioritize basketball, they prioritized football, which makes complete sense. The fall season is basically the normal fall CIF sports on the traditional calendar, with the only exceptions being that they brought the other gender competition into the same season for 2 sports (Boys VB to run concurrently with Girls VB, and Girls Water Polo to run concurrently with Boys Water Polo). The bulk of the traditional CIF Winter sports were pushed into the Spring schedule, away from football. Which makes complete sense because for the majority of CIF schools, a majority of male multi-sport athletes play football in the fall. So putting the other two most popular male sports (basketball and baseball) into the fall season would mean these football athletes would have to make a choice, and for many of those the choice would have been football. The basketball to baseball multi-sport conflict is much less impactful. |
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Post by cutshot818 on Jul 20, 2020 14:30:15 GMT -5
For most multi-sport athletes at a typical CIF school, the Spring season will definitely be a lot more difficult to manage. Some schools may not be able to field complete teams due to lack of participation, unless they allow multi-sport athletes to participate in multiple sports concurrently.
Track and Field, Swimming/Diving, Soccer, Basketball, and Baseball/Softball all running at the same time. That's gonna be a nightmare for most ADs at CIF member schools.
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Post by wilbur on Jul 20, 2020 14:42:40 GMT -5
yes, agree football was priority but I think basketball got the best adjustment of all with the latest start to give the most time for things to clear up and what sounds like lenient training rules that might allow them to train as soon as gyms are open.
It is not out of the question to see football and the other sports not have a season if covid lingers like it has been and many predict it will into the winter. In that scenario boys VB gets to lose last season and this season, only girls waterpolo would have same fate.
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Post by cutshot818 on Jul 20, 2020 14:48:58 GMT -5
yes, agree football was priority but I think basketball got the best adjustment of all with the latest start to give the most time for things to clear up and what sounds like lenient training rules that might allow them to train as soon as gyms are open. It is not out of the question to see football and the other sports not have a season if covid lingers like it has been and many predict it will into the winter. In that scenario boys VB gets to lose last season and this season, only girls waterpolo would have same fate. That's not a change at all from the normal CIF calendar year. CIF is allowing extended summertime rules to stay in effect until the start of play in December for the Fall Sports season. In a normal CIF year, during summer training, ALL sports are trying to get practice time in. The only exception is the 21 day "dead period" each sport must declare, which the AD notes and forwards to the CIF section office. But basketball (both boys and girls teams) practices all during the fall anyway at most CIF schools, especially if the program is a winning program. At our local high school it wasn't unusual to go to a varsity girls match that started at 6pm (or later depending on lower-level matches and their duration) and ended between 8pm and 8:30pm, and see a bunch of boys' or girls' basketball players waiting around the gym with their coaches to get a practice in after the volleyball match. Some of these programs would practice until 10pm or 10:30pm on a school night. Only the players who weren't currently participating in a fall sport were practicing, and in some instances depending on how crazy the basketball coach was, it wasn't unusual to see a volleyball player that just got done playing a varsity match go into the locker room and change into her basketball gear for practice. If the bball coach was a tyrant and had the backing of his/her AD, that kinda stuff always happened. |
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Post by westcoastbias on Jul 21, 2020 14:24:05 GMT -5
Just a quick question on this topic - if campuses remain closed and kids do not return to the classroom this year, are people optimistic that sports will even happen? I'm skeptical that a school could claim the campus isn't safe for any form of in-school learning, but is in fact safe to play team sports - especially those that involve extensive physical contact (football, basketball, wrestling, etc.)
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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 21, 2020 14:32:07 GMT -5
Back to club. Per below (LA Daily News reporter, mostly Basketball, but IME accurate), at least one SCVA schedule will be released tommorow.
The Nov-July language could be an oversight (who besides us pays attention to boys club?), or it could mean only girls.
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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 21, 2020 15:59:02 GMT -5
Just a quick question on this topic - if campuses remain closed and kids do not return to the classroom this year, are people optimistic that sports will even happen? I'm skeptical that a school could claim the campus isn't safe for any form of in-school learning, but is in fact safe to play team sports - especially those that involve extensive physical contact (football, basketball, wrestling, etc.) IMO, this will depend on why the campus is closed, for *us*. Gov's order? No practices / games. District choice, but hybrid allowable under state orders? Games (no specators) and practices. Football's going to be an entirely different situation due to contact. |
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Post by bealzabubba on Aug 4, 2020 8:23:21 GMT -5
The revised Girls schedule has been posted, but not the Boys.
Typical.
Of some interest is the fact that their first Mandatory is in January, in when HS season is (hopefully) still ongoing.
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