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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 6, 2020 11:04:36 GMT -5
Well Garrison, another night of rioting, I thought that was all going to end when the federal agents left? What happened? Wasn't anywhere near the federal courthouse. The only legitimate use of federal law enforcement is when it involves federal property or if there's a request for aid. Not the point at all, you said the violence would end when Trump and the federal agents got out of there, remember?
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Post by BearClause on Aug 6, 2020 13:51:10 GMT -5
Wasn't anywhere near the federal courthouse. The only legitimate use of federal law enforcement is when it involves federal property or if there's a request for aid. Not the point at all, you said the violence would end when Trump and the federal agents got out of there, remember? So you don't seem to understand that Mike's comments were about what was happening on federal property? I mean - I understand that. DHS claimed this was all about what was happening at the federal courthouse in Portland. Federal policing is generally very specific. DHS police have a specific mandate to protect federal property, although I've seen them at specific sites (like transportation points) when there was an elevated national terrorist alert level. There was a DHS Federal Protective Service officer who was shot and killed in Oakland while he was patrolling the federal building in Oakland, California. BORTAC is tasked with high-risk raids in the border region and not specifically protecting federal property. I can understand certain type of federal policing where they serve as the equivalent of local/state law enforcement. The National Park Service has law enforcement rangers who generally enforce state laws on NPS property. They also have the US Park Police, which has been controversial as of late. There are all these land management agencies that have their own routine law enforcement like BLM, Forest Service, and US Fish & Wildlife Service. FWS is interesting too as they have their own routine law enforcement (wildlife officers) that patrol wildlife refuges like a beat cop and special agents/inspectors who handle larger issues like trafficking in endangered species. And the feds generally have limited authority to enforce state laws. I might have mentioned this before, but Oregon law does theoretically give the authority to enforce state laws, but with a requirement that anyone thus arrested must be turned in to a state officer as quickly as possible. In my state there are some allowed to do so in case of emergency, but they also have norms which they follow. Forest Service officers specifically aren't given automatic authority to enforce state laws and must receive specific permission from a chief of police or sheriff. A few years ago the Sheriff of El Dorado County rescinded the authorization of the Forest Service to enforce state laws in his county. There were complaints that they were making excessive traffic stops and harassing people who were legally carrying unconcealed firearms. sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/el-dorado-county-sheriff-strips-forest-service-of-state-law-enforcement-power/
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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 6, 2020 13:55:06 GMT -5
Moving the goalpost as usual. This is exactly what all of you said. If you would just get the federal agents out of town it would be peaceful. Now what do we have to do to Cowtail to these punks?Are you learning yet?
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Post by BearClause on Aug 6, 2020 14:19:40 GMT -5
Moving the goalpost as usual. This is exactly what all of you said. If you would just get the federal agents out of town it would be peaceful. Now what do we have to do to Cowtail to these punks?Are you learning yet? I never said that. I don't even think Mike ever said that. It's on you (and I'm not surprised) that you're putting words in our mouths when Mike's context (following up on my comments) was obvious. What we said was that there was never really any conflict that was happening on federal property until the feds started making a show of it. Mike especially noted that some guy got hit hard in the head with some munitions and that's really when the protest on the courthouse grounds started taking off. Here's what I said. I mentioned the federal courthouse and federal property three times and didn't say protests overall would stop. no serious problem? Are you for real? 60 days of continual rioting....And the fact that citizens are acting like complete morons and you were blaming the officers behind a fence guarding the taxpayers building? Do you realize how absolutely ridiculous that sounds? So what is it? Is it a federal responsibility to handle local policing or to protect federal property? I posted this before, where local reporting was that there was no issue with the federal courthouse. It wasn't even the site of demonstrations. It was marked with graffiti, which isn't great but certainly not worthy of beating someone with a baton. It was when they brought out the troops that they started demonstrating there, and where stuff started moving to the federal courthouse. This was predictable and I'm pretty sure it was the goal of the "response".
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 6, 2020 14:24:14 GMT -5
Moving the goalpost as usual. This is exactly what all of you said. If you would just get the federal agents out of town it would be peaceful. Now what do we have to do to Cowtail to these punks?Are you learning yet? "Cowtail"?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 6, 2020 14:36:47 GMT -5
Over forty protesters charged by U.S. Attorney in Portland, no evidence presented that a single one of them had ties to antifa or other organizations. It’s almost like antifa isn’t actually an organization or something. Either that or they’re just devilishly good at concealing their identities. www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-protests-antifa-idUSKCN2502NQ
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 6, 2020 14:37:55 GMT -5
Moving the goalpost as usual. This is exactly what all of you said. If you would just get the federal agents out of town it would be peaceful. Now what do we have to do to Cowtail to these punks?Are you learning yet? "Cowtail"? Must be a Nebraska thing. [shrug]
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 6, 2020 14:47:09 GMT -5
Must be a Nebraska thing. [shrug] Do you suppose that's what Holiday thinks people are saying when they use the word "kowtow"?
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Post by FreeBall on Aug 6, 2020 16:04:25 GMT -5
If you Google holiday's new word choice, you'll find a few different definitions. (One of them is pretty disturbing.) Here's a link to a guy who blogs about language: arnoldzwicky.org/2013/01/28/cowtailing/#:~:text=Kow%20tow%20and%20cow%20tail,little%20to%20do%20about%20respect. He says this is an example of "egg-corning", which is "an idiosyncratic substitution of a word or phrase for a word or words that sound similar or identical in the speaker's dialect". "Cowtail" for "kowtow". One of the people who responds asserts that the two terms have similar but distinct meanings. I think the respondent is full of sh!t, much like holiday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 16:14:26 GMT -5
Must be a Nebraska thing. [shrug] Do you suppose that's what Holiday thinks people are saying when they use the word "kowtow"? In context and thinking it's quite possible he's using voice to text, I'm guessing he meant "curtail". It didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out what he meant.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 6, 2020 16:25:51 GMT -5
Must be a Nebraska thing. [shrug] Do you suppose that's what Holiday thinks people are saying when they use the word "kowtow"? Even kowtow doesn't make sense. Also - maybe I spoke for you when I shouldn't have. When you were referring to how pretests and violence was happening depending on the presence of additional federal law enforcement, I assumed you were referring to what was happening directly on federal property. Was my inference correct? I certainly never said that removal of the additional federal law enforcement was going to stop protests and rioting in Portland - just that it was likely to take away the issues at the federal courthouse.
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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 6, 2020 16:29:01 GMT -5
Over forty protesters charged by U.S. Attorney in Portland, no evidence presented that a single one of them had ties to antifa or other organizations. It’s almost like antifa isn’t actually an organization or something. Either that or they’re just devilishly good at concealing their identities. www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-protests-antifa-idUSKCN2502NQ oh? so they are just loser punks with no jobs?
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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 6, 2020 16:30:27 GMT -5
Must be a Nebraska thing. [shrug] Do you suppose that's what Holiday thinks people are saying when they use the word "kowtow"? bahaaa...you guys just struggle so hard to win a debate these days so it always ends up being personal...which means you are losing......
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 6, 2020 16:31:14 GMT -5
Do you suppose that's what Holiday thinks people are saying when they use the word "kowtow"? Even kowtow doesn't make sense. Also - maybe I spoke for you when I shouldn't have. When you were referring to how pretests and violence was happening depending on the presence of additional federal law enforcement, I assumed you were referring to what was happening directly on federal property. Was my inference correct? I certainly never said that removal of the additional federal law enforcement was going to stop protests and rioting in Portland - just that it was likely to take away the issues at the federal courthouse. There was nothing major going on at the Courthouse. Trump sent the goons in to stir things up, and they sure did that. Once they stopped showing up, the protests there evaporated. It's pretty clear what happened, despite n00b's fantasy scenario about the agents only responding to intelligence that the courthouse was going to be attacked.
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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 6, 2020 16:32:00 GMT -5
Kow tow is an Asian derivative which means simply to bow to pay respect. On the other hand cow tailing means sucking it up to please someone else and has little to do about respect.
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