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Post by cbrown1709 on Jul 28, 2020 19:47:42 GMT -5
Why would anyone think we would have sports next spring? Given that we have zero tolerance for COVID, sports are done. Assuming we have a vaccine, and assuming a very optimistic 70 percent efficacy, we still have COVID. And we can't have COVID. Until our mindset about COVID changes, we won't be having any sports whatsoever. Next spring, fall, 2022,23,24,25, and so on. That would require people to think, analyze, not accept Twitter as fact, etc. Unlikely to happen. Strange that people keep wanting to push sports to spring when very little will likely have changed by then if we keep the same mindset. I would think they'd want to cancel for the entire school year. Honestly asking, you don't think we will have a vaccine or medicine to help by then?
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jul 28, 2020 20:43:23 GMT -5
...but still in the Fall.
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Post by volleydadtx on Jul 28, 2020 22:51:30 GMT -5
Why would anyone think we would have sports next spring? Given that we have zero tolerance for COVID, sports are done. Assuming we have a vaccine, and assuming a very optimistic 70 percent efficacy, we still have COVID. And we can't have COVID. Until our mindset about COVID changes, we won't be having any sports whatsoever. Next spring, fall, 2022,23,24,25, and so on. That would require people to think, analyze, not accept Twitter as fact, etc. Unlikely to happen. Strange that people keep wanting to push sports to spring when very little will likely have changed by then if we keep the same mindset. I would think they'd want to cancel for the entire school year. Cancelling for the whole year would appear far too radical and there would be a lot of push back. But the fact is, we have zero tolerance for COVID. We are a long ways from playing any sports. There will have to be a huge mindset change - basically 180 degrees from where we are now - for it to happen. For that to happen, the attitude will need to return to "If you are sick, go to the doctor." Just like it was in ancient days before COVID. Flu? Stay home until you're not running fever. Pneumonia? See a doctor and rest. Chicken pox, measles, mumps, strep, ear infections? Get an antibiotic if it's bacterial and get well soon. COVID? Take your antivirals and rest. Right now, it's more like "You've got COVID? Oh s***! We are all gonna die! Shut everything down YESTERDAY and call out HAZMAT!"
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Post by volleydadtx on Jul 28, 2020 22:56:44 GMT -5
That would require people to think, analyze, not accept Twitter as fact, etc. Unlikely to happen. Strange that people keep wanting to push sports to spring when very little will likely have changed by then if we keep the same mindset. I would think they'd want to cancel for the entire school year. Honestly asking, you don't think we will have a vaccine or medicine to help by then? Right now, we have a zero tolerance for COVID. One case means everything gets shut down. Games, concerts, weddings. The problem with that is, we will never have "no COVID." Yes, it's possible (though certainly not a given) that we will have a vaccine. But vaccines aren't 100 percent effective. The best we can probably hope for is 60 to 70 percent efficacy. Great! But what about the other 30 to 40 percent that the vaccine doesn't work for? We still have COVID! Treatments? Sure. But we already have quite decent treatments right now. This is the first time in our nation's history that we have allowed an illness to shut down life indefinitely. A big part of that is pure arrogance: We are so smart that we can out fox the virus. We can choke it off with our masks and eventually we will kill it completely with a vaccine. The truth is, we are going to have COVID from now on, just like flu, HIV, and ear infections. It's a part of life. But until we come to that realization and look at facts instead of listening to sensationalism on TV, our old lives are shut down. The actual death rate of COVID-19 is going to settle in the .1 to .12 percent range, very similar to the flu. That's 1 to 1.2 out of 1,000. With folks under the age of 40 having a much better chance of dying from flu. Everyone says "Well those age 85 and older are at risk!" Yes, folks 85 and older are at risk of just about anything killing them, including falls, breaks, colds, flu, and UTIs. When you get to 85, you are vulnerable to anything. As you grow older, you're more vulnerable. That isn't anything new.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Jul 29, 2020 0:31:46 GMT -5
Honestly asking, you don't think we will have a vaccine or medicine to help by then? Right now, we have a zero tolerance for COVID. One case means everything gets shut down. Games, concerts, weddings. The problem with that is, we will never have "no COVID." Yes, it's possible (though certainly not a given) that we will have a vaccine. But vaccines aren't 100 percent effective. The best we can probably hope for is 60 to 70 percent efficacy. Great! But what about the other 30 to 40 percent that the vaccine doesn't work for? We still have COVID! Treatments? Sure. But we already have quite decent treatments right now. This is the first time in our nation's history that we have allowed an illness to shut down life indefinitely. A big part of that is pure arrogance: We are so smart that we can out fox the virus. We can choke it off with our masks and eventually we will kill it completely with a vaccine. The truth is, we are going to have COVID from now on, just like flu, HIV, and ear infections. It's a part of life. But until we come to that realization and look at facts instead of listening to sensationalism on TV, our old lives are shut down. The actual death rate of COVID-19 is going to settle in the .1 to .12 percent range, very similar to the flu. That's 1 to 1.2 out of 1,000. With folks under the age of 40 having a much better chance of dying from flu. Everyone says "Well those age 85 and older are at risk!" Yes, folks 85 and older are at risk of just about anything killing them, including falls, breaks, colds, flu, and UTIs. When you get to 85, you are vulnerable to anything. As you grow older, you're more vulnerable. That isn't anything new. I don't totally agree with you on this but who knows.. I truly meant it as a yes or no question. My bad.
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Post by volleydadtx on Jul 29, 2020 8:40:39 GMT -5
Right now, we have a zero tolerance for COVID. One case means everything gets shut down. Games, concerts, weddings. The problem with that is, we will never have "no COVID." Yes, it's possible (though certainly not a given) that we will have a vaccine. But vaccines aren't 100 percent effective. The best we can probably hope for is 60 to 70 percent efficacy. Great! But what about the other 30 to 40 percent that the vaccine doesn't work for? We still have COVID! Treatments? Sure. But we already have quite decent treatments right now. This is the first time in our nation's history that we have allowed an illness to shut down life indefinitely. A big part of that is pure arrogance: We are so smart that we can out fox the virus. We can choke it off with our masks and eventually we will kill it completely with a vaccine. The truth is, we are going to have COVID from now on, just like flu, HIV, and ear infections. It's a part of life. But until we come to that realization and look at facts instead of listening to sensationalism on TV, our old lives are shut down. The actual death rate of COVID-19 is going to settle in the .1 to .12 percent range, very similar to the flu. That's 1 to 1.2 out of 1,000. With folks under the age of 40 having a much better chance of dying from flu. Everyone says "Well those age 85 and older are at risk!" Yes, folks 85 and older are at risk of just about anything killing them, including falls, breaks, colds, flu, and UTIs. When you get to 85, you are vulnerable to anything. As you grow older, you're more vulnerable. That isn't anything new. I don't totally agree with you on this but who knows.. I truly meant it as a yes or no question. My bad. My bad as well. A vaccine will "help."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:24:09 GMT -5
I don't totally agree with you on this but who knows.. I truly meant it as a yes or no question. My bad. My bad as well. A vaccine will "help." Not the first time in our history. And vaccine at 70% is entirely different story than no vaccine.
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Post by volleydadtx on Jul 29, 2020 12:01:31 GMT -5
My bad as well. A vaccine will "help." Not the first time in our history. And vaccine at 70% is entirely different story than no vaccine. If you are referring to Spanish Flu of 1918, much of that shut down was due to WW1, not the flu. And sports were not completely shut down. Seasons generally started on time, though a few sports had condensed seasons. A very different reaction than what we have today, which is essentially that the whole world is going to hell in a hand basket because of a virus that is dangerous to very few in our society. Nutso. As for your second comment, we shall see. 70 percent efficacy is highly optimistic. Even then, there is zero tolerance for any case of COVID currently.
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Post by oldman on Jul 29, 2020 12:15:07 GMT -5
Basically, we have become a nation of fear. We are afraid of a virus that 99.7% of people that get it and live. Most not all but most of the people that die are over the age of 65. But let's all just hid in our basement for the next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 12:21:02 GMT -5
Yep. Those 65+ people are expendable, right?
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Post by oldman on Jul 29, 2020 12:33:54 GMT -5
Yep. Those 65+ people are expendable, right? Nope, But they can self isolate or decide what level of risk is right for themselves. But you already knew this.
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Post by trollhunter on Jul 29, 2020 12:34:14 GMT -5
That would require people to think, analyze, not accept Twitter as fact, etc. Unlikely to happen. Strange that people keep wanting to push sports to spring when very little will likely have changed by then if we keep the same mindset. I would think they'd want to cancel for the entire school year. Honestly asking, you don't think we will have a vaccine or medicine to help by then? NO for viable/effective/available/trusted vaccine by December/January 10-20% chance for medicine that is tested, widely available and helps significantly. I guess medicines that help will become more visible after election, but will be trials, limited availability, expensive, etc. So, I forsee very little change for winter/spring sports. Unless mindset changes. You see it differently?
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Post by oldman on Jul 29, 2020 12:47:08 GMT -5
Yep. Those 65+ people are expendable, right? Don't know how old you are but when you get to a certain age you know that you could die any day. I could die any day. I have friends that die. My parents have died, my siblings and cousins have died. My heart could stop, I could get cancer, I could get sick from the flu. A lot of old people die from the flu. Did you know that? I could get hit by lighten. I could get in a car accident. I could get killed in a school shooting. I could have a stroke. I could be a victim of road rage. I could get Alzheimer's I could have kidney failure. But I could live another 30 or 40 years. The same is true of all us old people. Does not mean our lives are not important but its reality. I can choose to modify my behavior to improve or decrease my chances of any one of these conditions. That is America or was.
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Post by volleydadtx on Jul 29, 2020 12:59:15 GMT -5
Lou Holtz was being interviewed about COVID a couple of weeks ago. I encourage you to search for it on YouTube. He pleaded "Can you please let me live my life until I die? I don't want to die now and be buried in 5 years. Let me make my own choices and LIVE."
He also said that we are supposed to be the "home of the brave." No more. Now we are all running scared of a virus, putting much of life completely on hold and sheltering in place. Sad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 13:38:52 GMT -5
Nothing more infuriating than this being cast as a test of courage.
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