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Post by vinnielopes on Jul 22, 2020 0:05:15 GMT -5
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Post by TheReignman on Jul 22, 2020 7:57:31 GMT -5
Gonna be tough sledding. They weren't the strongest D3 side and now will be battling with Daemen as a D2 in the area. Additionally, WNY has been dominated by a number of programs, will probably have to step our of region to find own talent pool
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Post by nyvb on Jul 22, 2020 9:57:52 GMT -5
Gonna be tough sledding. They weren't the strongest D3 side and now will be battling with Daemen as a D2 in the area. Additionally, WNY has been dominated by a number of programs, will probably have to step our of region to find own talent pool Not to mention additional travel added to the budget and the necessity for athletic scholarships. I don't really understand this. They went from having half the opponents in the country in state or in neighboring states to becoming almost completely isolated regionally. Geographically, they have Daemon and SF Brooklyn in state (Brooklyn being 400+ miles away), Penn State and Saint Francis in PA, and Ohio State in OH. They'll become an unofficial travel partner to Daemon and get some big time home games, but they are going to have a tough time with the transition. I hope I am wrong, but this seems like it is not sustainable for men's volleyball. This probably makes sense for the department as a whole, but the MVB program could easily wind up being the sacrificial lamb in the end. |
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Post by gwvb12 on Jul 22, 2020 12:19:04 GMT -5
Does anyone know why they've struggled so much in D3 in recent years? I know that in the past they were a very strong program, so I imagine the school/program has to have some things going for it, or at least did at one point. Their strongest years were before I started paying attention to D3, so I would be interested to hear what caused the change in fortunes.
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Post by nyvb on Jul 22, 2020 12:44:26 GMT -5
Most likely there watering down of D3 talent. The near doubling of teams in the last decade makes it less and less likely that multiple studs wind up at niche school.
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Post by d3vballer on Jul 22, 2020 14:36:13 GMT -5
Gonna be tough sledding. They weren't the strongest D3 side and now will be battling with Daemen as a D2 in the area. Additionally, WNY has been dominated by a number of programs, will probably have to step our of region to find own talent pool Not to mention additional travel added to the budget and the necessity for athletic scholarships. I don't really understand this. They went from having half the opponents in the country in state or in neighboring states to becoming almost completely isolated regionally. Geographically, they have Daemon and SF Brooklyn in state (Brooklyn being 400+ miles away), Penn State and Saint Francis in PA, and Ohio State in OH. They'll become an unofficial travel partner to Daemon and get some big time home games, but they are going to have a tough time with the transition. I hope I am wrong, but this seems like it is not sustainable for men's volleyball. This probably makes sense for the department as a whole, but the MVB program could easily wind up being the sacrificial lamb in the end. Growth is growth. If you look at Daemen's schedule, that is what D'Youville's will look like in future years. They're going to play against plenty of D3 opponents, with a couple Canadian matches, a couple D1 matches and a trip or two for D2 matches. So I wouldn't say they're "isolated". They will certainly have a tough time with the transition. They have struggled in recent years mostly due to poor coaching and lack of recruitment. In addition, players were more attracted to the superior Buffalo D3 program, Medaille (before 2016 at least). But if they can get a coach similar to Daemen's Gleason, they will get it figured out in years to come. |
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Post by openhanddink on Jul 22, 2020 16:53:05 GMT -5
Does bad D3 teams making the jump to D2 actually help MVB? I'm not sure that it does.
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Post by france123 on Jul 22, 2020 17:03:51 GMT -5
Not to mention additional travel added to the budget and the necessity for athletic scholarships. I don't really understand this. They went from having half the opponents in the country in state or in neighboring states to becoming almost completely isolated regionally. Geographically, they have Daemon and SF Brooklyn in state (Brooklyn being 400+ miles away), Penn State and Saint Francis in PA, and Ohio State in OH. They'll become an unofficial travel partner to Daemon and get some big time home games, but they are going to have a tough time with the transition. I hope I am wrong, but this seems like it is not sustainable for men's volleyball. This probably makes sense for the department as a whole, but the MVB program could easily wind up being the sacrificial lamb in the end. Growth is growth. If you look at Daemen's schedule, that is what D'Youville's will look like in future years. They're going to play against plenty of D3 opponents, with a couple Canadian matches, a couple D1 matches and a trip or two for D2 matches. So I wouldn't say they're "isolated". They will certainly have a tough time with the transition. They have struggled in recent years mostly due to poor coaching and lack of recruitment. In addition, players were more attracted to the superior Buffalo D3 program, Medaille (before 2016 at least). But if they can get a coach similar to Daemen's Gleason, they will get it figured out in years to come. I'm not convinced that Daemen is good enough to make strides in the Volleyball community. Both schools have the problem of conference which will hurt them until volleyball makes a huge stride in terms of having colleges accept the sport. D'Youville is put into a terrible position as they are not a good D3 but the question will revolve around their coaching staff and whether that staff can make a good team with what they have. They have a good advantage over Daemen with a nicer facility, academics swing towards D'Youville more so it will be the matter of how they utilize those materials. |
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Post by lankykong on Jul 22, 2020 19:01:17 GMT -5
we just need ASU or Florida
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 19:09:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if ASU was thinking of starting a program. They have GCU as a natural in-state "rival" and plenty of support in that region.
Florida would be in the same boat, but I actually could see Texas as the next big program. The sport is growing pretty rapidly in the state, with plenty of good talent already being produced.
That was all until COVID hit though. At this stage, I think we now have a 5 year recovery before another big time program is added, while still having to endure one or two current programs getting cut.
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Post by futurelinejudge on Jul 23, 2020 1:52:29 GMT -5
D'Youville went 2-16 as a D3 this year before the season was called off.
The only program at D’Youville to finish with a winning record in the past 16 months is the women's basketball team.
The rest of their athletic program has a combined record of 32-115 in the last 16 months, including 17-75 in men's sports.
I could go on and on here folks, this school has no business being a Division 2 program.
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Post by france123 on Jul 23, 2020 7:53:30 GMT -5
we just need ASU or Florida We need three Power 5s that have great volleyball access and materials to recruit kids. I don’t see Arizona State. I could see Florida, if Pittsburgh was thinking of it, they would be a good fit cuz of Western PA, Western NY and Eastern/Southern OH recruits (Battle with Ohio State), and Marquette, UW Madison or Purdue would be a good third option. Purdue has great tools on the Women’s side and I could see that similar success on the men’s side if they were to go that path in the future. Marquette or UW Madison would be good cuz of Wisconsin and another option for some of those good Illinois players to stay local even more. |
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Post by d3vballer on Jul 23, 2020 8:02:23 GMT -5
Growth is growth. If you look at Daemen's schedule, that is what D'Youville's will look like in future years. They're going to play against plenty of D3 opponents, with a couple Canadian matches, a couple D1 matches and a trip or two for D2 matches. So I wouldn't say they're "isolated". They will certainly have a tough time with the transition. They have struggled in recent years mostly due to poor coaching and lack of recruitment. In addition, players were more attracted to the superior Buffalo D3 program, Medaille (before 2016 at least). But if they can get a coach similar to Daemen's Gleason, they will get it figured out in years to come. I'm not convinced that Daemen is good enough to make strides in the Volleyball community. Both schools have the problem of conference which will hurt them until volleyball makes a huge stride in terms of having colleges accept the sport. D'Youville is put into a terrible position as they are not a good D3 but the question will revolve around their coaching staff and whether that staff can make a good team with what they have. They have a good advantage over Daemen with a nicer facility, academics swing towards D'Youville more so it will be the matter of how they utilize those materials. I'm going to need you to define "making strides"... as a second year program they are already competing with top 5-top 10 D3 programs. Lots of talent. This upcoming year (if it happens), I could see them taking down a mid-low level D1 team and any D3 team they face (with the exception of NP/Springfield). |
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Post by Confucius on Jul 23, 2020 8:23:55 GMT -5
we just need ASU or Florida We need three Power 5s that have great volleyball access and materials to recruit kids. I don’t see Arizona State. I could see Florida, if Pittsburgh was thinking of it, they would be a good fit cuz of Western PA, Western NY and Eastern/Southern OH recruits (Battle with Ohio State), and Marquette, UW Madison or Purdue would be a good third option. Purdue has great tools on the Women’s side and I could see that similar success on the men’s side if they were to go that path in the future. Marquette or UW Madison would be good cuz of Wisconsin and another option for some of those good Illinois players to stay local even more. The story I heard was that ASU was considering adding a team, however that ball has sorta stopped rolling. They pretty much told MotorMVB they wanted a few million to endow the program and make it competitive from the start... Being that this was not feasible, MotorMVB instead went on to add multiple D2 schools and of course St. Francis Brooklyn. I agree though that ASU would be a great addition as I think most PAC12 schools would be and I believe BIG10 schools could also be very interesting additions if they were interested. With the current situation though, I am doubtful anybody will be adding MVB in the next year or two. The best decision would be either 1. Go after the ASUN, MAAC, Big East, and schools without football who want to drive enrollment and dont have to worry about the football scholarship debacle. Or 2. Try to get MVB added with or after Women's Beach Volleyball is added as they would be fairly close in terms of cost and scholarships. I think either of these would be good options to start pushing for growth, but not sure they will happen. |
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Post by Dr. Rosen Rosen on Jul 23, 2020 9:50:03 GMT -5
We act like people have not been trying to get Power 5 conferences to add teams over the last 40 some odd years. People have been trying and it just has not happened. Now the greatest pandemic of our lifetime has hit and we act like those schools are gong to suddenly jump up and add men's volleyball? I think the work that MotorVB has done has been tremendous, but the reality of it is that you will see little/no growth in Power 5 and all the growth in NAIA or Division III. Remember a couple years ago when the Big West was splitting from the MPSF and everyone said here comes the change, this is the first domino to fall. How has that worked out?
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