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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 8, 2020 11:02:03 GMT -5
Looks like only 22 schools compete at the D1 level and 12 of them are in California (4 PAC12, 5 Big West) and 4 are Ivy, so no surprise. Men's Water Polo plays for a "National Collegiate Championship". Meaning Division I, II, and III all play for the same championship. Somebody might want to explain that to the Poets, who beat Claremont in the D3 championship last year. I do understand that the D1 championship is open, similar to men's volleyball (at least in the distant past). The ACWPC lists the teams by division and explicitly says there are 22 D1 programs. Looks like there are 6 in D2 and 14 in D3.
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Post by n00b on Aug 8, 2020 11:12:59 GMT -5
Men's Water Polo plays for a "National Collegiate Championship". Meaning Division I, II, and III all play for the same championship. Somebody might want to explain that to the Poets, who beat Claremont in the D3 championship last year. I do understand that the D1 championship is open, similar to men's volleyball (at least in the distant past). The ACWPC lists the teams by division and explicitly says there are 22 D1 programs. Looks like there are 6 in D2 and 14 in D3. That isn't an actual NCAA Championship. I believe the AVCA was scheduled to run a similar 'small school' national championship tournament for beach volleyball this spring.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 8, 2020 12:32:35 GMT -5
Somebody might want to explain that to the Poets, who beat Claremont in the D3 championship last year. I do understand that the D1 championship is open, similar to men's volleyball (at least in the distant past). The ACWPC lists the teams by division and explicitly says there are 22 D1 programs. Looks like there are 6 in D2 and 14 in D3. That isn't an actual NCAA Championship. I believe the AVCA was scheduled to run a similar 'small school' national championship tournament for beach volleyball this spring. Correct. NCAA hasn't been mentioned yet. It is the USA Water Polo Division III collegiate championship.
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Post by n00b on Aug 8, 2020 12:34:26 GMT -5
That isn't an actual NCAA Championship. I believe the AVCA was scheduled to run a similar 'small school' national championship tournament for beach volleyball this spring. Correct. NCAA hasn't been mentioned yet. It is the USA Water Polo Division III collegiate championship. You mean in the thread with NCAA in the title, discussing the NCAA's announcement about potential cancellation of NCAA championships?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 13:24:56 GMT -5
This is basically all over for the fall right now. I think the only question left is a spring season vs. a canceled season. This has been inevitable for a month and a half, at least.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 8, 2020 14:01:26 GMT -5
Correct. NCAA hasn't been mentioned yet. It is the USA Water Polo Division III collegiate championship. You mean in the thread with NCAA in the title, discussing the NCAA's announcement about potential cancellation of NCAA championships? Splitting hairs. NCAA was not mentioned relative to water polo. Yes, there will be no NCAA sponsored D3 tournament until they reach the minimum number of teams to qualify, but in the meantime the D3 water polo championship is for NCAA D3 teams and it is explicitly mentioned in the NCAA Championship manual that D3 teams may pull out of the main championship to play in the D3 tournament.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 8, 2020 14:09:12 GMT -5
This is basically all over for the fall right now. I think the only question left is a spring season vs. a canceled season. This has been inevitable for a month and a half, at least. Any specific reason for saying that now, or just a general feeling? Does this have anything to do with your prediction? This may have already been posted, but the PAC12 is actively discussing cancelling.Apparently the PAC12 has arranged a billion dollar loan to support athletic departments if they cancel football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 15:09:23 GMT -5
This is basically all over for the fall right now. I think the only question left is a spring season vs. a canceled season. This has been inevitable for a month and a half, at least. Any specific reason for saying that now, or just a general feeling? Does this have anything to do with your prediction? This may have already been posted, but the PAC12 is actively discussing cancelling.Apparently the PAC12 has arranged a billion dollar loan to support athletic departments if they cancel football. I think today has been a newsy day on the fall sports front, which is why I say what I say. The MAC canceling football, which sounds like it happened in part because they heard the B1G was trending in that direction. The B1G choosing not to allow its football camps to go to full pads as planned. Stories popping up on SI.com, reporters talking about sources on twitter saying the end is near. The whispers got a lot louder and louder today. But, I had resigned myself to a canceled season back in June. I am surprised it took this long. I have often argued on here that I thought the season COULD happen and laid out why I dont think it is as big a risk as others do. And, in some respects, I still believe a season could happen. For all of the grief MLB has gotten, it has only been 2 teams who screwed up. But, in spite of my arguing for a fall season, it has been at least 2 months since I have believed it would happen. The writing has been on the wall since cases surged again. And, as I listen to my neighbors having a party, I knew that we as a country would never do what needed to be done to get control over this thing. We have bet everything on a vaccine that may or may not be all that effective. Fall sports died in June.
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Post by silverchloride on Aug 8, 2020 15:22:07 GMT -5
Any specific reason for saying that now, or just a general feeling? Does this have anything to do with your prediction? This may have already been posted, but the PAC12 is actively discussing cancelling.Apparently the PAC12 has arranged a billion dollar loan to support athletic departments if they cancel football. I think today has been a newsy day on the fall sports front, which is why I say what I say. The MAC canceling football, which sounds like it happened in part because they heard the B1G was trending in that direction. The B1G choosing not to allow its football camps to go to full pads as planned. Stories popping up on SI.com, reporters talking about sources on twitter saying the end is near. The whispers got a lot louder and louder today. But, I had resigned myself to a canceled season back in June. I am surprised it took this long. I have often argued on here that I thought the season COULD happen and laid out why I dont think it is as big a risk as others do. And, in some respects, I still believe a season could happen. For all of the grief MLB has gotten, it has only been 2 teams who screwed up. But, in spite of my arguing for a fall season, it has been at least 2 months since I have believed it would happen. The writing has been on the wall since cases surged again. And, as I listen to my neighbors having a party, I knew that we as a country would never do what needed to be done to get control over this thing. We have bet everything on a vaccine that may or may not be all that effective. Fall sports died in June. I am unabashedly optimistic, I hope that it is not the case that sports will be cancelled for Fall. Is the consensus toward moving them to the Spring, or canceling altogether?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 15:26:23 GMT -5
I have not seen or heard much chatter about spring one way or another. In volleyball I have heard over the past month or so that Cook and Sheffield are pro-spring and have been for a while. Those are public comments, I am no insider.
On football, which has always been the linchpin, only thing I saw alluding to spring is that there are some saying the B1G commissioner prefers a spring season to trying to push forward in the fall.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 8, 2020 15:32:31 GMT -5
There is absolutely nothing to be optimistic about at this point. The talk among leaders in CFB/P5 athletic departments is grim.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 15:55:16 GMT -5
I think today has been a newsy day on the fall sports front, which is why I say what I say. The MAC canceling football, which sounds like it happened in part because they heard the B1G was trending in that direction. The B1G choosing not to allow its football camps to go to full pads as planned. Stories popping up on SI.com, reporters talking about sources on twitter saying the end is near. The whispers got a lot louder and louder today. But, I had resigned myself to a canceled season back in June. I am surprised it took this long. I have often argued on here that I thought the season COULD happen and laid out why I dont think it is as big a risk as others do. And, in some respects, I still believe a season could happen. For all of the grief MLB has gotten, it has only been 2 teams who screwed up. But, in spite of my arguing for a fall season, it has been at least 2 months since I have believed it would happen. The writing has been on the wall since cases surged again. And, as I listen to my neighbors having a party, I knew that we as a country would never do what needed to be done to get control over this thing. We have bet everything on a vaccine that may or may not be all that effective. Fall sports died in June. I am unabashedly optimistic, I hope that it is not the case that sports will be cancelled for Fall. Is the consensus toward moving them to the Spring, or canceling altogether? The liability issue is a big one for those schools (P5) intending to push forward. The NCAA prohibiting the requirement of the so-called 'Covid waiver' and new advice regarding potential long term health complications of the virus present a scary combination for schools. I know of two B1G schools who, starting this week, had their athletes who'd tested positive for the virus undergo more extensive cardio testing. These developments, combined with continued outbreaks and the lack of time before the season is scheduled to begin is making even the most optimistic decision-makers in collegiate sports doubt the viability of a fall season.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 8, 2020 21:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by Confucius on Aug 8, 2020 21:20:55 GMT -5
NCAA voting on legislation August 14th. Two pieces are up for discussion that could really change things for many schools and might be a big kick in the shins for big programs regardless.
- All players competing or practicing weekly must be tested weekly. If not, they cannot practice, compete, etc.. - Schools will be on the hook for up to 2 years of medical bills for any athlete who comes down with COVID because of athletics
My opinion is this is to satisfy players within the PAC12 who are not jumping for joy at the opportunity to play with year. The NCAA is trying to satisfy their demands, but I think many schools will question if they want to spend hundreds of thousands, if not possibly millions, to test athletes weekly. Not too mention they will be on the hook for two years of medical bills which could easily be thousands more depending on how many players end up with the virus. I am doubtful D3 and D2 will play this school year and I think many of the bottom half conferences (NEC, MAAC, America East, etc..) may bow out as well as they will spend more money than it would be worth trying to ensure athletes are healthy.
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