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Post by nothingbutcorn on Jul 28, 2020 13:24:59 GMT -5
Title IX goes back to 1972. A lot has changed since then. A lot of good has come from it, no doubt. I wonder how much football paid for back in the day compared to today? Football is the driver in the delay for a decision from the NCAA.
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Post by n00b on Jul 28, 2020 13:33:09 GMT -5
Title IX goes back to 1972. A lot has changed since then. A lot of good has come from it, no doubt. I wonder how much football paid for back in the day compared to today? Football is the driver in the delay for a decision from the NCAA. As a percentage of expenses? I bet football generated a similar proportion of the revenue. I looked back at the 1972 football season. Teams like Texas, USC, and Ohio State were still averaging 70,000+ fans at each game. The difference then was that the scale for all sports was much smaller. Conferences made more geographic sense so the spending for everybody was a lot less.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 28, 2020 13:55:07 GMT -5
women's collegiate volleyball should just be cancelled for the 2020 academic year. Just do it. Football will just likely be "postponed" because, unlike college volleyball, football makes money. The only question should be whether or not players will be granted an extra year of eligibility. Don't change the scholarship cap, if schools have space for them in 2021, great, if not, well, they will still get to graduate with a college degree in hand. It sucks, but it's just one year of college volleyball. Sometimes life just sucks, and in the world of unfortunate situations, not being able to play volleyball for a season is pretty freaking low on the totem pole. If vaccines become available for players and staff in say Jan/Feb ... you don’t support a spring season for the women? Even if a large scale vaccine is administered by then, it’s would be a logistical nightmare to pull off all sports in the same window of time. It’s not a question of whether I “support” playing volleyball, it’s whether it’s practical and feasible for this academic year. I don’t really think it is, so just don’t do it, call it now and programs can plan accordingly.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 28, 2020 13:58:25 GMT -5
I don't know if it should be explicitly banned, but it seems like a really bad idea. At least for this fall, many schools are trying to limit exposure between students and the wider community. Students are strongly encouraged to stay on campus and limit going back and forth. At one P5 school (at least) adult leagues would technically not be allowed for any student regardless of NCAA rules. It's kind of like the NBA, you stay in the bubble with explicit exceptions for essential activities like dealing with family, personal business or going to strip clubs. Right but whole point of the NBA bubble is to allow for basketball competition. If we are taking that away from college athletes and cancelling for the year, I think it's wrong to also say they can't compete in outside competition. I don't disagree, that is why I said I wasn't sure whether the NCAA could/should ban it. If a player is not in school, then I agree with you. If they are still in school, then there is a whole other set of considerations of what you agree to adhere to as far as protecting your school community. I'm not talking about athletes, I'm talking about all students and including all activities where you would be interacting with the wider community. Different schools will have different considerations and different rules based on size and location. A large, public commuter school in a large city will have different considerations than a small, private school in a campus community. I definitely don't think it is one size fits all. My opinion is that if it is not safe for teams to travel and play within their relatively isolated bubble, then it is a bad idea to play in an even less controlled environment. I understand the impatience, but it's better for everybody to put off competition for an extra 3-4 months.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 28, 2020 14:02:58 GMT -5
If vaccines become available for players and staff in say Jan/Feb ... you don’t support a spring season for the women? Even if a large scale vaccine is administered by then, it’s would be a logistical nightmare to pull off all sports in the same window of time. It’s not a question of whether I “support” playing volleyball, it’s whether it’s practical and feasible for this academic year. I don’t really think it is, so just don’t do it, call it now and programs can plan accordingly. Forget about planning for spring, right now they are still planning to start the season in a month, without any real prep since March. Coaches are stressing out.
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Post by n00b on Jul 28, 2020 14:07:45 GMT -5
Even if a large scale vaccine is administered by then, it’s would be a logistical nightmare to pull off all sports in the same window of time. It’s not a question of whether I “support” playing volleyball, it’s whether it’s practical and feasible for this academic year. I don’t really think it is, so just don’t do it, call it now and programs can plan accordingly. Forget thinking about spring, right now they are still planning to start the season in a month, without any real prep since March. Coaches are stressing out. Those coaches need to chill. Yeah, it's a different year. But one-third of division 1 coaches don't see their athletes from the beginning of May until report day in August in a normal year. Welcome to how the other side lives.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 28, 2020 14:12:51 GMT -5
Forget thinking about spring, right now they are still planning to start the season in a month, without any real prep since March. Coaches are stressing out. Those coaches need to chill. Yeah, it's a different year. But one-third of division 1 coaches don't see their athletes from the beginning of May until report day in August in a normal year. Welcome to how the other side lives. What is there about "chill" and "P5 (plus the usual suspects) VB coach" that in any way goes together?
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Post by Mark Richards on Jul 28, 2020 14:16:09 GMT -5
Even if a large scale vaccine is administered by then, it’s would be a logistical nightmare to pull off all sports in the same window of time. It’s not a question of whether I “support” playing volleyball, it’s whether it’s practical and feasible for this academic year. I don’t really think it is, so just don’t do it, call it now and programs can plan accordingly. Coaches are stressing out. Stressing out about what? They have good jobs and are getting paid to do what they love.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 14:19:46 GMT -5
If vaccines become available for players and staff in say Jan/Feb ... you don’t support a spring season for the women? Even if a large scale vaccine is administered by then, it’s would be a logistical nightmare to pull off all sports in the same window of time. It’s not a question of whether I “support” playing volleyball, it’s whether it’s practical and feasible for this academic year. I don’t really think it is, so just don’t do it, call it now and programs can plan accordingly. I guess I don’t see why it would be that big of a deal, when men’s and women’s b-ball has been played at the same time for many years (always?).
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 28, 2020 14:51:21 GMT -5
Coaches are stressing out. Stressing out about what? They have good jobs and are getting paid to do what they love. And if they don't perform, the recruits dry up, the wins go down and they won't keep those good paying jobs that they love.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 15:16:08 GMT -5
Forget thinking about spring, right now they are still planning to start the season in a month, without any real prep since March. Coaches are stressing out. Those coaches need to chill. Yeah, it's a different year. But one-third of division 1 coaches don't see their athletes from the beginning of May until report day in August in a normal year. Welcome to how the other side lives. This couldn't be further from the reality. It isn't about the coaches seeing their players. It's about not knowing the health/fitness of their athletes who've been in lock down for the majority of the last 6 months. Most coaches I know don't even have their teams cleared to get back on campus yet. Coaches don't know if players are in shape, very few have had access to volley facilities since March, they have done no PT or rehab... And now they're being told to prepare their teams to play a conference schedule in just 3 weeks during a pandemic? They have every reason to "stress out" (for the health and safety of the young women in their care). If we have players showing up out of shape/injured, coaches won't even be permitted to use those three weeks for volley... They'll have to spend them conditioning and then hit a season without having played significant volley in 6 months. Coaches do not need to 'chill'. They need flexibility, support and a bit of understanding if their teams start out playing poor quality volleyball. I doubt they'll get any of the three though, so they'll probably just have to settle for a hard drink.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 28, 2020 15:50:57 GMT -5
Even if a large scale vaccine is administered by then, it’s would be a logistical nightmare to pull off all sports in the same window of time. It’s not a question of whether I “support” playing volleyball, it’s whether it’s practical and feasible for this academic year. I don’t really think it is, so just don’t do it, call it now and programs can plan accordingly. I guess I don’t see why it would be that big of a deal, when men’s and women’s b-ball has been played at the same time for many years (always?). Mens and Women's preseason basketball overlaps with the volleyball regular season for 3 weeks. And even then, some of the pre-season basketball tournaments are held at sites off campus (which there will be less of given the money grab professional sports will want to capitalize on regarding their lost season). That's a far outcry from the month(s) of overlap. We already have post season volleyball sites that CANNOT host due to conflicts with basketball. Imagine that for 2-3 months? Gymnastics will also need to utilize, what is for many campuses, the same indoor arena. Same goes for Mens volleyball. And then when are all of these being played? the same time as a Saturday football game? a possible NFL Sunday football game? the same time as a mens or womens soccer match? 100+ D1 schools compete in Lacrosse (many of them having mens AND womens teams, who also use the soccer fields, Track and Field events are often held in the same stadiums as Football, Baseball and Softball are utilizing the ball fields (each of these sports playing like 60 matches?). Can't fit too many of these during the weekdays because athletes have CLASS to attend and you risk nobody showing up, which means less revenue, which means you are spending MORE money just so an athlete can compete....at that point why play at all!? Then you have to find space and time for all of these teams to train and practice. Like I said, a handful of schools have enough resources and facilities to probably make this work, but what I'm describing above is a logistical nightmare for the vast majority of schools and it's probably just NOT worth it. Just cancel some NCAA sports for the academic year, it's not the end of the world.
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Post by hoosierdraft on Jul 28, 2020 16:18:53 GMT -5
Stressing out about what? They have good jobs and are getting paid to do what they love. And if they don't perform, the recruits dry up, the wins go down and they won't keep those good paying jobs that they love. This might be true for maybe 5% of college head coaches. Performance is not the primary means of securing your coaching job.
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Post by lo4um on Jul 28, 2020 16:35:18 GMT -5
women's collegiate volleyball should just be cancelled for the 2020 academic year. Just do it. Football will just likely be "postponed" because, unlike college volleyball, football makes money. The only question should be whether or not players will be granted an extra year of eligibility. Don't change the scholarship cap, if schools have space for them in 2021, great, if not, well, they will still get to graduate with a college degree in hand. It sucks, but it's just one year of college volleyball. Sometimes life just sucks, and in the world of unfortunate situations, not being able to play volleyball for a season is pretty freaking low on the totem pole. If vaccines become available for players and staff in say Jan/Feb ... you don’t support a spring season for the women? No need for a vaccine, we have hydroxychloroquine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 18:18:01 GMT -5
I guess I don’t see why it would be that big of a deal, when men’s and women’s b-ball has been played at the same time for many years (always?). Mens and Women's preseason basketball overlaps with the volleyball regular season for 3 weeks. And even then, some of the pre-season basketball tournaments are held at sites off campus (which there will be less of given the money grab professional sports will want to capitalize on regarding their lost season). That's a far outcry from the month(s) of overlap. We already have post season volleyball sites that CANNOT host due to conflicts with basketball. Imagine that for 2-3 months? Gymnastics will also need to utilize, what is for many campuses, the same indoor arena. Same goes for Mens volleyball. And then when are all of these being played? the same time as a Saturday football game? a possible NFL Sunday football game? the same time as a mens or womens soccer match? 100+ D1 schools compete in Lacrosse (many of them having mens AND womens teams, who also use the soccer fields, Track and Field events are often held in the same stadiums as Football, Baseball and Softball are utilizing the ball fields (each of these sports playing like 60 matches?). Can't fit too many of these during the weekdays because athletes have CLASS to attend and you risk nobody showing up, which means less revenue, which means you are spending MORE money just so an athlete can compete....at that point why play at all!? Then you have to find space and time for all of these teams to train and practice. Like I said, a handful of schools have enough resources and facilities to probably make this work, but what I'm describing above is a logistical nightmare for the vast majority of schools and it's probably just NOT worth it. Just cancel some NCAA sports for the academic year, it's not the end of the world. I’m taking about playing in Mar-June, when most b-ball arenas aren’t being used for much. Training camp in Jan/Feb, depending on early vaccine availability. Something like that. Smarter people than me can figure it out.
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