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Post by ToddyJ on Jul 26, 2020 18:29:53 GMT -5
We really didn't see too many big players retire after Rio. That will not be the case this quad. Many teams will look very different.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 26, 2020 19:42:51 GMT -5
Players who could retire from their countries NT post Tokyo 2021/World Championships 2022: USA: Likely: Jordan Larson, Kimberly Hill, Foluke Akinradewo and Rachael Adams. Possible: Michelle Bartsch-Hackley, Karsta Lowe and Tetori Dixon. China: Likely: Yan Ni, Ding Xia and Zeng Chunlei. Possible: Lin Li. Serbia: Likely: Maja Ognjenović, Bojana Zivković, Ana Antonijević and Jelena Blagojević. Possible: Milena Rasić, Stefana Veljković and Jovana Stevanović. Brazil: Likely: All the Golden Girls (for good this time?). Maybe? lol Possible: Natâlia, Tandara and Adenízia. Turkey: Likely: Eda Erdem Dündar and Meryem Boz. Possible: Naz Akyol. Italy: Likely: Lucia Bosetti Possible: Monica DeGennaro Netherlands: (I predict this will happen post the 2022 World Championships since they are hosts.) Likely: Maret Balkenstein-Grothues, Laura Dijkema, Nicole Koolhaas and Myrtle Schoot. Possible: Robin DeKruijf, Anne Buijs and Lonneke Sloëtjes. Dominican Republic: Likely: Annerys Vargas, Prisilla Rivera, Gina Mambru and Bethania DelaCruz. Possbile: Nverka Marte, Candida Arias and Camil Dominguez. Russia: Likely: Yevgeniya Startseva, Tatiana Kosheleva and Nataliya Goncharova. Possible: Ekaterina Orlova and Irina Koroleva. Japan: Likely: Nagaoka, Iwasaka, Araki, Ishii, Sato and Okumura. Korea: Likely: Kim Yeon-Koung, Kim Su-ji, Jung Dae-young, Yim Myung-ok and Kim Hae-ran. Possible: Kim Hee-jin. Belgium, Germany and Poland should all be good with-out any major retiring players. Thailand's fab 5 are all likely done which really sucks for that team. We should all be watching teams like Canada, Argentina, Bulgaria and Croatia in the coming years. I think they will start making an impact and some might even become mainstays in the VNL. Lots of young talent landing on those teams and should be exciting to watch grow. China: Yes all the players you listed are likely to retire after Tokyo...with the possible exception of Ding Xia. She's 30 this year but remains at a top level in performance. She might have a few seasons left in her, if not with the NT then at least with her Chinese league team, Liaoning. US: I agree Larson and Akinradewo are most likely to call time on their on-court careers. Hill has also said on record she will retire after Tokyo. Not sure about Adams. Lowe, she actually retired from the game to pursue a Masters of Architecture (I think) before coming back, so if she quits again after Tokyo, she could always go for an architecture career? Serbia: I thought Maja Ognjenović was done with her NT career after Rio, but apparently not. I guess the team has not found a better setter and Ognjenović still can play well enough? Brazil: I think the golden girls really are done after Tokyo. Ze Roberto held onto the likes of Sheilla Castro, Fabiana Claudino, etc, for too long. Thaísa has retired and Jaqueline's on-and-off appearance for Brazil post-Rio has been mediocre at best, she just doesn't have the fire, passion and energy she once had. Turkey: Naz had a baby so she may be looking to spend more time to attend to her mother duties post-Tokyo. Still, her level of play is still top notch. And being a setter, she might be able to ilk out a longer career on court than the more physically demanding positions like outside hitters, middle blockers, etc. Korea: Yup, I think KYK is done after Tokyo. She runs her own sports academy and seem to have a clear path towards a post on-court career. But given this will be her last performance, KYK is likely to give it her all at Tokyo, interesting how Korea will do. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 26, 2020 19:45:18 GMT -5
With all the talk about Tokyo, what does the outlook for Paris 2024 hold? Top teams like China (Lang Ping), Serbia (Zoran Terzic), and Brazil (Ze Roberto) are expected to lose their current head coach, all three of which have made major contributions to the success of each country. But how will they do next cycle with someone else leading the team? There will be a lot of veterans retiring after Tokyo, will teams have the youth to fill in those roles? Some yes, but others no. Most teams will be fine, but Netherlands on the other hand are the ones that are probably the most worried considering they will be co-hosts at the 2022 World Championship. I'm actually excited for this next quad. Lots of new upcoming talent to look forward to not just on the USA side, but for others as well. This next generation of volleyball will be fun to watch. Who are the most likely candidates to replace Lang Ping, Zoran Terzic and Ze Roberto I wonder... |
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Post by alohavball on Jul 26, 2020 20:16:16 GMT -5
Who are the most likely candidates to replace Lang Ping, Zoran Terzic and Ze Roberto I wonder... For China, it'll most likely be An Jiajie though another concern for them will be if Lai Yawen (Atlanta 1996, Silver Medalist) retires as well. I think she's a great assistant coach that complements Lang Ping not to mention her rich experience as a former player and all her years of coaching with the national team. For Serbia, maybe one of their assistant coaches? I'm not familiar with their coaching staff. For Brazil, I think Ze Roberto commented before that he thinks Paulo Coco (Dentil Praia Clube Coach) should be the one to takeover. Some fans suggest otherwise, possibly Lavarini. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 26, 2020 20:28:44 GMT -5
Who are the most likely candidates to replace Lang Ping, Zoran Terzic and Ze Roberto I wonder... For China, it'll most likely be An Jiajie though another concern for them will be if Lai Yawen (Atlanta 1996, Silver Medalist) retires as well. I think she's a great assistant coach that complements Lang Ping not to mention her rich experience as a former player and all her years of coaching with the national team. For Serbia, maybe one of their assistant coaches? I'm not familiar with their coaching staff. For Brazil, I think Ze Roberto commented before that he thinks Paulo Coco (Dentil Praia Clube Coach) should be the one to takeover. Some fans suggest otherwise, possibly Lavarini. For China I am not sure about that. I don't see a clear candidate. Yeah I heard An Jiajie, the current assistant coach, has been groomed to take the head coach job. But the feeling among Chinese fans that I am aware of, is that right now he isn't really cut out for the job. Maybe that's not a fair assessment, but the feeling among Chinese fans is that he doesn't have "the right stuff" to lead. Lai Yawen, the other assistant coach you mentioned, yes she has been with the team for many years, she was there basically ever since her retirement from her NT playing days in the 90's. But she has shown no willingness to take the top job and is quite happy being the assistant. Besides, she has other administrative duties running the volleyball federation in China and likely won't have the time to lead as head coach. Tianjin's head coach, Wang Baoquan, lead the NT for a time in the 00's but had to quit because the pressure from the federation was too intense. Cai Bin, Jiangsu's current head coach, also once led the NT in the 00's but was fired for underperfomance and basically hounded from the job. Cai was angry and felt he was not given the opportunity to display his ability. He tried to get back his NT job and was the other candidate in the running for NT coach position in 2013 when Lang Ping got the job. He may want to try his hand again as NT coach, but given his experience with the sports bureaucracy in China, he may have second thoughts about it this time. |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 26, 2020 21:11:23 GMT -5
Players who could retire from their countries NT post Tokyo 2021/World Championships 2022: We should all be watching teams like Canada, Argentina, Bulgaria and Croatia in the coming years. I think they will start making an impact and some might even become mainstays in the VNL. Lots of young talent landing on those teams and should be exciting to watch grow. I'm hoping Mexico can step it up too. I like their young setter. They will qualify for World Championships most likely. They aren't that far from the level of being able to pull off an upset or two at least. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 26, 2020 21:16:47 GMT -5
Players who could retire from their countries NT post Tokyo 2021/World Championships 2022: We should all be watching teams like Canada, Argentina, Bulgaria and Croatia in the coming years. I think they will start making an impact and some might even become mainstays in the VNL. Lots of young talent landing on those teams and should be exciting to watch grow. I'm hoping Mexico can step it up too. I like their young setter. They will qualify for World Championships most likely. They aren't that far from the level of being able to pull off an upset or two at least. I hope so too. Someone with the talent of Samantha Bricio is wasted playing for her Mexican NT if the rest of the team don't step up a gear and be more competitive. |
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Post by alohavball on Jul 26, 2020 22:00:23 GMT -5
USA: Likely: Jordan Larson, Kimberly Hill, Foluke Akinradewo and Rachael Adams. Possible: Michelle Bartsch-Hackley, Karsta Lowe and Tetori Dixon. China: Likely: Yan Ni, Ding Xia and Zeng Chunlei. Possible: Lin Li. Serbia: Likely: Maja Ognjenović, Bojana Zivković, Ana Antonijević and Jelena Blagojević. Possible: Milena Rasić, Stefana Veljković and Jovana Stevanović. Brazil: Likely: All the Golden Girls (for good this time?). Maybe? lol Possible: Natâlia, Tandara and Adenízia. Turkey: Likely: Eda Erdem Dündar and Meryem Boz. Possible: Naz Akyol. Italy: Likely: Lucia Bosetti Possible: Monica DeGennaro Thailand's fab 5 are all likely done which really sucks for that team. We should all be watching teams like Canada, Argentina, Bulgaria and Croatia in the coming years. I think they will start making an impact and some might even become mainstays in the VNL. Lots of young talent landing on those teams and should be exciting to watch grow. USA: There was a rumor awhile back saying that Larson would become a volleyball agent after Tokyo. If true this will be good news for future college graduates going pro. Depending on the agency, hopefully she can help them land in competitive leagues making the transition easier as well as avoiding future situations similar to the Kelsie Payne drama. China: I would add Liu Xiaotong to the list of likely retirement. Rumors said that China would start fresh and drop players that haven't made much improvements this quad. Even if Ding Xia retires, I don't expect Yao Di or Diao Linyu to run the offense next cycle especially since they also have two young setters (Mei Xiaohan, Sun Yan) currently part of training. Yan Ni will leave a big block for someone else to fill. Serbia: S. Popovic will most likely retire, but Ognjenovic will be the most difficult to replace. I expect Veljkovic to return if she does take a break to start a family. I also wonder plans Rasic has for her future. Brazil: It's time for Brazil to start a new golden girl generation. I watched some of their U20/U18 teams and they've got youth talent that's worth investing in. Their next coach won't have much to work with and will most likely have to start from the ground up. Turkey: Eda will be a big loss. Not only is she a versatile middle blocker, but she's also a great captain for this young team. If Naz stays then maybe she can fill that role. Kubra Akman, Seyma Ercan, and Fatima Yildirim need to be careful, if they don't show any progress they could lose their spot to someone else. Italy: Folie and Sorokaite may retire. They've got a lot of youth to work with so it isn't as big of a loss, but if De Gennaro retires then they could have some trouble. Parrocchiale is nowhere near her level. I will definitely miss Thailand and their veterans the most. I don't think they have enough future development to compete with European/South American teams that are getting better each year, same goes for South Korea who won't have KYK and possibly Lavarini next time around. |
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Post by reformate on Jul 27, 2020 4:18:30 GMT -5
So out of curiousity, I determined the average age (by Paris 2024) of the players who made at least 1% of the total ball contacts of the team from WGP 2016 to COQT 2020, then determined the players who are below this average age. Naturally, this will exclude very young talents who made the roster this year or last year, but I think it gave interesting results.
BRAZIL (Average age = 35)
OHs: Gabi, Natalia, Rosamaria, Drussyla
MBs: Ana Beatriz, Mara, Carol
OPP: Lorenne, Ana Paula
SET: Roberta, Macris
LIB: (none)
CHINA (Average age = 31)
OHs: Zhu T, Zhang CN, Li YY, Liu YH, Duan F
MBs: Yuan XY, Wang YY, Hu MY
OPP: Gong XY, Yang FX
SET: Diao LY
LIB: Wang MJ
ITALY (Average age = 30)
OHs: Sylla, Pietrini, C.Bosetti, Guerra
MBs: Chirichella, Danesi
OPP: Egonu
SET: Malinov, Orro, Cambi
LIB: Parrocchiale
SERBIA (Average age = 32)
OHs: Busa, Milenkovic, Lazovic, Lozo
MBs: Stevanovic, Popovic, Aleksic
OPP: Boskovic, Bjelica
SET: Mirkovic, Djordjevic
LIB: Pusic
TURKEY (Average age = 31)
OHs: Ismailoglu, Baladin, Ercan
MBs: Gunes, Akman, Asli
OPP: Karakurt
SET: Ozbay, Dilik, Alikaya, Nursevil
LIB: Gizem
USA (Average age = 33)
OHs: Robinson, Kingdon, Foecke, Wilhite
MBs: Dixon, Ogbogu, Washington
OPP: Drews, Lowe, Thompson
SET: Carlini, Poulter, Hancock
LIB: Courtney, Wong-Orantes
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Post by reformate on Jul 27, 2020 20:19:46 GMT -5
Adding other teams:
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC (Average age = 33)
OHs: Pena Isabel
MBs: J.Martinez, Eve, Arias Perez
OPP: B.Martinez, Gonzalez
SET: (none)
LIB: Castillo, Martinez Caro, Binet, Fernandez Perez
GERMANY (Average age = 32)
OHs: Geerties, Orthmann, Stigrot, Barber
MBs: Scholzel, Weitzel, Vanjak, Schwertmann
OPP: Lippmann, Drewniok
SET: Kastner, Kemmsies
LIB: Pogany
JAPAN (Average age = 33)
OHs: Ishii, Koga, Nabeya, Kurogo, Uchiseto
MBs: Shimamura, Akutagawa
OPP: Nagaoka
SET: Tashiro, Miya%*$#a
LIB: (none)
SOUTH KOREA (Average age = 33)
OHs: Lee JY, Park JA, Kang SH, Pyo SJ, Lee SY
MBs: Park EJ, Lee JA
OPP: Kim HJ
SET: Lee DY, Yeum HS, Lee NY
LIB: Kim YY
NETHERLANDS (Average age = 33)
OHs: Buijs, Jasper, Daalderop, Luttikhuis
MBs: Belien, de Kruijf, Lohuis, Koolhaas
OPP: Plak
SET: Bongaerts, Stoltenborg
LIB: Knip
POLAND (Average age = 31)
OHs: Stysiak, Grajber, Grejman
MBs: Kakolewska, Alagierska
OPP: Smarzek
SET: Nowicka
LIB: Stenzel
RUSSIA (Average age = 32)
OHs: Voronkova, Parubets, Iurinskaia, Kurilo, Kotikova, Biryukova
MBs: Fetisova, Efimova, Lazarenko
OPP: Malykh, Khaletskaia
SET: Romanova
LIB: Galkina
THAILAND (Average age = 34)
OHs: Ajcharaporn, Chatchu-on
MBs: Thatdao, Hattaya
OPP: Pimpichaya
SET: Pornpun
LIB: (none)
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 27, 2020 21:09:04 GMT -5
So out of curiousity, I determined the average age (by Paris 2024) of the players who made at least 1% of the total ball contacts of the team from WGP 2016 to COQT 2020, then determined the players who are below this average age. Naturally, this will exclude very young talents who made the roster this year or last year, but I think it gave interesting results. BRAZIL (Average age = 35) OHs: Gabi, Natalia, Rosamaria, Drussyla MBs: Ana Beatriz, Mara, Carol OPP: Lorenne, Ana Paula SET: Roberta, Macris LIB: (none) CHINA (Average age = 31) OHs: Zhu T, Zhang CN, Li YY, Liu YH, Duan F MBs: Yuan XY, Wang YY, Hu MY OPP: Gong XY, Yang FX SET: Diao LY LIB: Wang MJ ITALY (Average age = 30) OHs: Sylla, Pietrini, C.Bosetti, Guerra MBs: Chirichella, Danesi OPP: Egonu SET: Malinov, Orro, Cambi LIB: Parrocchiale SERBIA (Average age = 32) OHs: Busa, Milenkovic, Lazovic, Lozo MBs: Stevanovic, Popovic, Aleksic OPP: Boskovic, Bjelica SET: Mirkovic, Djordjevic LIB: Pusic TURKEY (Average age = 31) OHs: Ismailoglu, Baladin, Ercan MBs: Gunes, Akman, Asli OPP: Karakurt SET: Ozbay, Dilik, Alikaya, Nursevil LIB: Gizem USA (Average age = 33) OHs: Robinson, Kingdon, Foecke, Wilhite MBs: Dixon, Ogbogu, Washington OPP: Drews, Lowe, Thompson SET: Carlini, Poulter, Hancock LIB: Courtney, Wong-Orantes Someone should do an average age count for all the past medalists at the Olympics to see whether there is any correlation between age of players and position on the podium. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 21:53:30 GMT -5
Players who could retire from their countries NT post Tokyo 2021/World Championships 2022: USA: Likely: Jordan Larson, Kimberly Hill, Foluke Akinradewo and Rachael Adams. Possible: Michelle Bartsch-Hackley, Karsta Lowe and Tetori Dixon. I think the likely's are all almost definitely. Jordan has stated her feelings of having her career prolonged, Hill's been talking about stepping away from at least the NT, Foluke just had a baby too (can be done ofc, but we'll see), and Adams is really not even in conversation right now imo for 21! Once she doesn't make the roster, I can see her being done with at least USA. I think similarly with Lowe and Dixon, if either don't make the olympic rosters, which both of them are on a tight rope, they'll be done. Lowe's been rather vocal on her liking of overseas living, seemingly has more of a life outside of vball than in and for the obvious reason, she already tried to retire once... Dixon is married and will be going on possibly Olympic 2 of being the first in line looking from the outside in. She also has played a majority of her career at clubs with shorter seasons than most, maybe because she wants more stateside living??? MBH is a possible but like someone pointed awhile back in another thread, MBH has climbed her way to the top, Vakifbank. One hell of a way to go out or could give her a push to go for another quad? We have a LOT of pins coming down the pipe for 24, I think if she retires completely or just from USA, it'll come mid quad... Other USAWNT members who I think might step away or retire entirely next quad, H. Tapp, Wilhite, Kingdon, & JWO. |
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Post by udubhuskiefan on Jul 27, 2020 22:13:22 GMT -5
What was the Payne drama?
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Post by ToddyJ on Jul 27, 2020 23:42:32 GMT -5
What was the Payne drama? Her agent appears to have signed her with SSC Palmberg Schweriner of Germany only to have her be publicly announced to have joined a club in the Korean league. That might taint her reputation and probably wasn't her fault. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Dec 10, 2020 0:15:50 GMT -5
For China, it'll most likely be An Jiajie though another concern for them will be if Lai Yawen (Atlanta 1996, Silver Medalist) retires as well. I think she's a great assistant coach that complements Lang Ping not to mention her rich experience as a former player and all her years of coaching with the national team. For Serbia, maybe one of their assistant coaches? I'm not familiar with their coaching staff. For Brazil, I think Ze Roberto commented before that he thinks Paulo Coco (Dentil Praia Clube Coach) should be the one to takeover. Some fans suggest otherwise, possibly Lavarini. For China I am not sure about that. I don't see a clear candidate. Yeah I heard An Jiajie, the current assistant coach, has been groomed to take the head coach job. But the feeling among Chinese fans that I am aware of, is that right now he isn't really cut out for the job. Maybe that's not a fair assessment, but the feeling among Chinese fans is that he doesn't have "the right stuff" to lead. Lai Yawen, the other assistant coach you mentioned, yes she has been with the team for many years, she was there basically ever since her retirement from her NT playing days in the 90's. But she has shown no willingness to take the top job and is quite happy being the assistant. Besides, she has other administrative duties running the volleyball federation in China and likely won't have the time to lead as head coach. Tianjin's head coach, Wang Baoquan, led the NT for a time in the 00's but had to quit because the pressure from the federation was too intense. Cai Bin, Jiangsu's current head coach, also once led the NT in the 00's but was fired for underperfomance and basically hounded from the job. Cai was angry and felt he was not given the opportunity to display his ability. He tried to get back his NT job and was the other candidate in the running for NT coach position in 2013 when Lang Ping got the job. He may want to try his hand again as NT coach, but given his experience with the sports bureaucracy in China, he may have second thoughts about it this time. Hopefully NOT Cai Bin. Wang Baoquan at least seems to be a changed man... |
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