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Post by haze on Jul 30, 2020 17:04:12 GMT -5
Commitment is really hard to measure because everyone has different values of what makes them successful.
I think Field took a big step forward at the beginning of last year. He then took a giant step back the last 3 events (or whatever last year). I've watched him this year and he just isn't a very good player in comparison with all these other qualifier players. He's the lesser player of a team that is 1-2 in the 2 qualifiers. He's not an impacting blocker, he isn't siding out at a very high rate and his flow in transition is just as shotty as it was 2 years ago. It just doesn't look like he's improved to me. Benesh has surpassed him as a blocker/big/player and I don't think right now it's really a comparison between the 2. That can always fluctuate but right now Benesh looks like a very solid disciplined blocker and his play is reflecting it.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 30, 2020 17:19:18 GMT -5
Commitment is really hard to measure because everyone has different values of what makes them successful. I think Field took a big step forward at the beginning of last year. He then took a giant step back the last 3 events (or whatever last year). I've watched him this year and he just isn't a very good player in comparison with all these other qualifier players. He's the lesser player of a team that is 1-2 in the 2 qualifiers. He's not an impacting blocker, he isn't siding out at a very high rate and his flow in transition is just as shotty as it was 2 years ago. It just doesn't look like he's improved to me. Benesh has surpassed him as a blocker/big/player and I don't think right now it's really a comparison between the 2. That can always fluctuate but right now Benesh looks like a very solid disciplined blocker and his play is reflecting it. True, I was referring to commitment to being a top beach player. Benesh is a few tiers above Troy as a blocker. Not 100% convinced he is a better player yet, but definitely a better blocker. Troy/Tim actually have a better point differential than the Killer Bs, and while I think Bomgren is much better than Eric, Im not sure how much that has been reflected in his play so far. |
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Post by haze on Jul 30, 2020 17:28:02 GMT -5
Yea Bomgren has not played to his level yet either. Would be a very disappointing summer for him. He was really stoked on playing with Theo.
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Post by 405LAX on Jul 30, 2020 18:06:21 GMT -5
Yea Bomgren has not played to his level yet either. Would be a very disappointing summer for him. He was really stoked on playing with Theo. Based on Theo's game right now, he should've been. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 18:23:25 GMT -5
eric b is better than tim b now
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Post by yupyupyup on Jul 30, 2020 19:01:38 GMT -5
People shouldn't be questioning his commitment. They should be concerend with his lack of improvement though. Field isn't any better off now than he was at the end of 2 summers ago. I think those two things are the same though. If he were committed, then, absent injuries, there is no way he should still be doing the same dumb stuff. If he is practicing hard with a decent coach, it is virtually impossible for a player that talented, starting at such a low technical level, to not have improved a ton. I wouldnt go as far as you did, because I think he did show some improvement last year, but he should be doing much better. Maybe Casey dumped him to get MD points or whatever, but if they had been practicing together and Casey was happy with his play, do you think he would have dumped him? Casey would of dumped Troy even if he was ecstatic about his play. With only 3 events, he made the business decision of who would give him the most points to be main draw. |
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Post by ajm on Jul 30, 2020 21:30:08 GMT -5
I think those two things are the same though. If he were committed, then, absent injuries, there is no way he should still be doing the same dumb stuff. If he is practicing hard with a decent coach, it is virtually impossible for a player that talented, starting at such a low technical level, to not have improved a ton. I wouldnt go as far as you did, because I think he did show some improvement last year, but he should be doing much better. Maybe Casey dumped him to get MD points or whatever, but if they had been practicing together and Casey was happy with his play, do you think he would have dumped him? Casey would of dumped Troy even if he was ecstatic about his play. With only 3 events, he made the business decision of who would give him the most points to be main draw. Right. For better or worse, the limit of six automatic main draw berths based on points broke up teams and hindered the development of several players. |
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 31, 2020 6:38:09 GMT -5
Yea Bomgren has not played to his level yet either. Would be a very disappointing summer for him. He was really stoked on playing with Theo. Based on Theo's game right now, he should've been. What is your take on your boy Troy's play right now? |
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 31, 2020 8:37:28 GMT -5
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 31, 2020 10:31:27 GMT -5
I think it is a little ridiculous that Troy is being criticized for trying to grow the game and bring as much of as he can to us watching from home or the cubes. Checking in on his twitch stream during one part of a scrimmage really doesn't get me riled up, a few extra touches won't magically make him get 2 more kill blocks per match.
However, I do think it is fair to question his commitment to improving. Troy is an incredible physical specimen that has a lot of natural athletic ability, but that does not mean he understands how to play/train at a professional level and is extremely far from being a complete player. I got absolutely roasted for my take on how he would perform at Waupaca in the grass and I was basically spot on to how it would go. While it is awesome he wants to grow the game and it was such a good idea to do so via twitch (I even gave him my free amazon prime sub for the month), you have to wonder if he has really reflected on why he was dumped by Casey after how the first two events have gone.
Troy is not a great blocker, does not have efficient shots, and there are guys playing AA that have a better serve. What he has going is how naturally gifted he is along with his likability, if he can go out and find a true coach to teach him how to block better and dedicate the time specifically to the sport and becoming a well rounded player I think he could take massive steps forward. After two years though it feels like you are watching a rookie that had a ton of hype get drafted and be no better than average by the end of that first contract.
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Post by wilbur on Jul 31, 2020 11:18:40 GMT -5
whos watching the McKs struggle to side out right now?
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Post by 405LAX on Jul 31, 2020 11:35:01 GMT -5
McK Bros out early again, this team needs to disband.
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Post by CoastalVB on Jul 31, 2020 11:35:02 GMT -5
I think it is a little ridiculous that Troy is being criticized for trying to grow the game and bring as much of as he can to us watching from home or the cubes. Checking in on his twitch stream during one part of a scrimmage really doesn't get me riled up, a few extra touches won't magically make him get 2 more kill blocks per match. However, I do think it is fair to question his commitment to improving. Troy is an incredible physical specimen that has a lot of natural athletic ability, but that does not mean he understands how to play/train at a professional level and is extremely far from being a complete player. I got absolutely roasted for my take on how he would perform at Waupaca in the grass and I was basically spot on to how it would go. While it is awesome he wants to grow the game and it was such a good idea to do so via twitch (I even gave him my free amazon prime sub for the month), you have to wonder if he has really reflected on why he was dumped by Casey after how the first two events have gone. Troy is not a great blocker, does not have efficient shots, and there are guys playing AA that have a better serve. What he has going is how naturally gifted he is along with his likability, if he can go out and find a true coach to teach him how to block better and dedicate the time specifically to the sport and becoming a well rounded player I think he could take massive steps forward. After two years though it feels like you are watching a rookie that had a ton of hype get drafted and be no better than average by the end of that first contract. True. To get the most out of your ability you need to train hard and take it very seriously. However, maybe some guys are good enough to play beach volleyball, enjoy it and the SoCal lifestyle and pursue other interests at the same time. For some it means everything and they will do everything they can to "make it." For others it is just fun. There is very little money so to put every ounce of energy in it to move from a ranking of 14 to 8 might not be what everyone wants. Everyone has a different journey. I like Troy's attitude. He is interesting, fun and talented. He will choose his own path and we get to see how it goes, hopefully enjoying it along the way. Part of what is hard about beach volleyball is when players make it bigger than what it is. It comes through in their desperation on the court. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 31, 2020 11:48:23 GMT -5
I think it is a little ridiculous that Troy is being criticized for trying to grow the game and bring as much of as he can to us watching from home or the cubes. Checking in on his twitch stream during one part of a scrimmage really doesn't get me riled up, a few extra touches won't magically make him get 2 more kill blocks per match. However, I do think it is fair to question his commitment to improving. Troy is an incredible physical specimen that has a lot of natural athletic ability, but that does not mean he understands how to play/train at a professional level and is extremely far from being a complete player. I got absolutely roasted for my take on how he would perform at Waupaca in the grass and I was basically spot on to how it would go. While it is awesome he wants to grow the game and it was such a good idea to do so via twitch (I even gave him my free amazon prime sub for the month), you have to wonder if he has really reflected on why he was dumped by Casey after how the first two events have gone. Troy is not a great blocker, does not have efficient shots, and there are guys playing AA that have a better serve. What he has going is how naturally gifted he is along with his likability, if he can go out and find a true coach to teach him how to block better and dedicate the time specifically to the sport and becoming a well rounded player I think he could take massive steps forward. After two years though it feels like you are watching a rookie that had a ton of hype get drafted and be no better than average by the end of that first contract. True. To get the most out of your ability you need to train hard and take it very seriously. However, maybe some guys are good enough to play beach volleyball, enjoy it and the SoCal lifestyle and pursue other interests at the same time. For some it means everything and they will do everything they can to "make it." For others it is just fun. There is very little money so to put every ounce of energy in it to move from a ranking of 14 to 8 might not me what everyone wants. Everyone has a different journey. I like Troy's attitude. He is interesting, fun and talented. He will choose his own path and we get to see how it goes, hopefully enjoying it along the way. Part of what is hard about beach volleyball is when players make it bigger than what it is. It comes through in their desperation on the court. Yea, but that is not what Troy's goal is.....you don't ditch your partner who has taught you how to be a professional on the court with solid success for an upgrade in a guy who has been to the Olympics and is literally a true definition of professional beach volleyball player. What he showed us by making the move to Casey was that he wanted to be more serious about this game and his stature in it, when he was surprised that Casey dumped him it should have shown he was no where ready to do as well as possible in a shotgun season and Casey didn't have time to babysit and give up money this late in his career, so he went to another route with a more grizzled vet he knew he would have a better shot to win with. Obviously a moot point, but I would be willing to bet Tim/Theo would have finished higher in this Covid Cup than Casey/Troy had everything played out as originally partnered. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jul 31, 2020 11:52:13 GMT -5
Ouch, Tim got away with a free one there.
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