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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 14:39:34 GMT -5
I just went to a weekly alternative newsmagazine I am familiar with in the town where OSU is located: Corvallis, Oregon. I dug into their archives; it seems a cover-up of massive proportions was first attempted by Oregon State's admins before this story hit-the-fan. Don't these institutions ever learn? Think Penn State/ Nassar! Comparing Barnard to child molesters is completely inappropriate. I didn't read soupman's post as a comparison of Barnard to PSU or Nassar; I interpreted the comparison to be that the school reacted in the same manner as PSU and Michigan State did when allegations against a coach were brought to their attention - a purposeful cover up of what really happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 14:41:34 GMT -5
THE COVERUP is worse than the crime. We can insert any coverup from PSU to MSU to Baylor to draw a comparison to how administrations think they are above the law. So any time a player complains to administrators that coach was mean, it should be publicized? But speaking of inappropriate comparisons, sort of, this statement from you suggests that legit victims of verbal, mental, and emotional abuse are just the same as "a player that thinks the coach was mean." That said, I don't think saywhatnow is suggesting that every complaint to an AD be publicized. "Not covering up" something is not the same as "publicizing" it. Have you any reading comprehension skills?
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Post by saywhatnow on Jul 31, 2020 14:57:20 GMT -5
THE COVERUP is worse than the crime. We can insert any coverup from PSU to MSU to Baylor to draw a comparison to how administrations think they are above the law. So any time a player complains to administrators that coach was mean, it should be publicized? Where are you getting that from? Who said that? How are you making this assumption based on a comment about coverups? We are talking about complaints about ABUSE from a head coach. What is the recourse for players when an administration is allegedly not protecting them from abuse?
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Post by n00b on Jul 31, 2020 15:03:48 GMT -5
So any time a player complains to administrators that coach was mean, it should be publicized? Where are you getting that from? Who said that? How are you making this assumption based on a comment about coverups? We are talking about complaints about ABUSE from a head coach. What is the recourse for players when an administration is allegedly not protecting them from abuse? I don't consider anything in that article to be abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 16:08:21 GMT -5
Where are you getting that from? Who said that? How are you making this assumption based on a comment about coverups? We are talking about complaints about ABUSE from a head coach. What is the recourse for players when an administration is allegedly not protecting them from abuse? I don't consider anything in that article to be abuse. Ah yes, you must know all the details from one article. So you think it’s normal that three athletes on the same team all want to commit suicide? That it is just coincidence that they all happen to spend 20+ hours per week with a coach *they* feel is abusive? He must not have had anything to do with it since n00b doesn’t think the article portrays it as abuse? Thank god you are not anyone I would ever need to turn to for support. Trash.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 16:12:45 GMT -5
Where are you getting that from? Who said that? How are you making this assumption based on a comment about coverups? We are talking about complaints about ABUSE from a head coach. What is the recourse for players when an administration is allegedly not protecting them from abuse? I don't consider anything in that article to be abuse. If you don't have an issue with a coach telling his players that they aren't to report any of his behavior to an authority figure "unless he is physically assaulting someone", then I sincerely hope you are never in a position where you have a duty of care to the well-being of others.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 31, 2020 16:23:33 GMT -5
Where are you getting that from? Who said that? How are you making this assumption based on a comment about coverups? We are talking about complaints about ABUSE from a head coach. What is the recourse for players when an administration is allegedly not protecting them from abuse? I don't consider anything in that article to be abuse. If you’re a coach, resign today.
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Post by n00b on Jul 31, 2020 17:22:01 GMT -5
I don't consider anything in that article to be abuse. If you don't have an issue with a coach telling his players that they aren't to report any of his behavior to an authority figure "unless he is physically assaulting someone", then I sincerely hope you are never in a position where you have a duty of care to the well-being of others. I absolutely agree that is the worst thing in there. It’s wrong, and hopefully when that was brought to the attention of the administration, he was told that can never happen again. It might come down to how we use the word ‘abuse’. To me, the quickly Googled definition ‘cruel or violent treatment of a person’ is generally how my mind interprets that word. A lot of the stuff mention is bad coaching and probably being a bad person . ‘Abuse’ (which I assume allows OSU to fire him for cause) is a higher standard to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 18:05:48 GMT -5
If you don't have an issue with a coach telling his players that they aren't to report any of his behavior to an authority figure "unless he is physically assaulting someone", then I sincerely hope you are never in a position where you have a duty of care to the well-being of others. I absolutely agree that is the worst thing in there. It’s wrong, and hopefully when that was brought to the attention of the administration, he was told that can never happen again. It might come down to how we use the word ‘abuse’. To me, the quickly Googled definition ‘cruel or violent treatment of a person’ is generally how my mind interprets that word. A lot of the stuff mention is bad coaching and probably being a bad person . ‘Abuse’ (which I assume allows OSU to fire him for cause) is a higher standard to me. You're missing the point. The simple fact that he felt the need to say that (if indeed that's what he said, and I'm sure they can get more witnesses if necessary to corroborate) shows that he felt his behavior could be construed as abusive and he didn't want there to be any kind of oversight. That is the complete antithesis of what we're told to do and is TOTALLY unacceptable.
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Post by saywhatnow on Jul 31, 2020 18:12:18 GMT -5
If you don't have an issue with a coach telling his players that they aren't to report any of his behavior to an authority figure "unless he is physically assaulting someone", then I sincerely hope you are never in a position where you have a duty of care to the well-being of others. I absolutely agree that is the worst thing in there. It’s wrong, and hopefully when that was brought to the attention of the administration, he was told that can never happen again. It might come down to how we use the word ‘abuse’. To me, the quickly Googled definition ‘cruel or violent treatment of a person’ is generally how my mind interprets that word. A lot of the stuff mention is bad coaching and probably being a bad person . ‘Abuse’ (which I assume allows OSU to fire him for cause) is a higher standard to me. Does that include MENTAL and EMOTIONAL abuse?
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jul 31, 2020 18:27:54 GMT -5
If you don't have an issue with a coach telling his players that they aren't to report any of his behavior to an authority figure "unless he is physically assaulting someone", then I sincerely hope you are never in a position where you have a duty of care to the well-being of others. It might come down to how we use the word ‘abuse’. To me, the quickly Googled definition ‘cruel or violent treatment of a person’ is generally how my mind interprets that word. To me this says all that I implied earlier ("Wikipedia-Google keyboard warrior"), along with all I ever needed to know; thankfully, (s)he is nowhere near my real life; for someone to have such the absence of any moral foundation, or human empathy...?
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Post by n00b on Jul 31, 2020 18:41:35 GMT -5
It might come down to how we use the word ‘abuse’. To me, the quickly Googled definition ‘cruel or violent treatment of a person’ is generally how my mind interprets that word. To me this says all that I implied earlier ("Wikipedia-Google keyboard warrior"), along with all I ever needed to know; thankfully, (s)he is nowhere near my real life; for someone to have such the absence of any moral foundation, or human empathy...? I don’t understand the opposition to research. Although this isn’t really research. What’s the line for you that becomes abuse?
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Post by n00b on Jul 31, 2020 18:41:55 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that is the worst thing in there. It’s wrong, and hopefully when that was brought to the attention of the administration, he was told that can never happen again. It might come down to how we use the word ‘abuse’. To me, the quickly Googled definition ‘cruel or violent treatment of a person’ is generally how my mind interprets that word. A lot of the stuff mention is bad coaching and probably being a bad person . ‘Abuse’ (which I assume allows OSU to fire him for cause) is a higher standard to me. Does that include MENTAL and EMOTIONAL abuse? Absolutely
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Post by sultanofswat on Jul 31, 2020 18:48:58 GMT -5
THE COVERUP is worse than the crime. We can insert any coverup from PSU to MSU to Baylor to draw a comparison to how administrations think they are above the law. So any time a player complains to administrators that coach was mean, it should be publicized? I'm willing to bet that there is another side to this story. Athletes- if they want to make things happen- know exactly how to do so. They know what to say, terms to use and how media and social media loves to take people down. Not saying that is the case here, because I honestly have no clue. However, to not consider this as a possibility is a mistake. I know of a lot of college coaches who have been railroaded and witch-hunted out of a program by a few vindictive athletes. I'm not sure how many administrations are willing to go to bat for a volleyball coach, to be honest. The EASY play here is to fire the coach and deal with the buyout. I would be willing to guess that their investigation uncovered some inconsistencies in these stories. Otherwise, why risk the liability?
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Post by n00b on Jul 31, 2020 18:54:13 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that is the worst thing in there. It’s wrong, and hopefully when that was brought to the attention of the administration, he was told that can never happen again. It might come down to how we use the word ‘abuse’. To me, the quickly Googled definition ‘cruel or violent treatment of a person’ is generally how my mind interprets that word. A lot of the stuff mention is bad coaching and probably being a bad person . ‘Abuse’ (which I assume allows OSU to fire him for cause) is a higher standard to me. You're missing the point. The simple fact that he felt the need to say that (if indeed that's what he said, and I'm sure they can get more witnesses if necessary to corroborate) shows that he felt his behavior could be construed as abusive and he didn't want there to be any kind of oversight. That is the complete antithesis of what we're told to do and is TOTALLY unacceptable. Could be. But now this is applying motives based on the oppositions story. I’m absolutely with you that there are ways that conversation could’ve gone down that warrant him getting fired immediately. But we’ll never get context and the other side of the story.
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