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Post by babybacksets on Aug 3, 2020 9:06:01 GMT -5
This is a really gray subject because like mentioned before, let’s not pretend that there isn’t a lot of quickness to condemn people publicly these days. Often not without good reason but still, gotta look at these things from every angle even if it has you playing a little devil’s advocate.
No One deserves to be dragged and characterized outside of what they would say of themselves if it’s an inaccurate description that just happens to be the first one we get.
Suicide should always be taken seriously but if you’re constantly around young people, the depression is there people, don’t assume because they’re young and shouldn’t have a care in the World that they’re not severely unhappy a lot of the time. That all being said, I just find it hard to believe some maybe overly tough coaching lead 3 girls to suicidal attempts/tendencies. Yes I believe them that the added stress of practice absolutely contributed to their feelings but does that mean everything outside of life was perfect and this isolated incident was the sole cause of their nosedive in mental health? If someone can make that make sense for me, please do so because I can’t help but hold that position as far as suicide goes.
And I think it’s just foolish to not take into consideration that some players genuinely like and respond better to coaches that are aggressively tough on them, not physically and necessarily always berating but I know several players that let everything that isn’t explicitly tied to a challenge to up their level of play completely roll off their shoulders.
This OBVIOUSLY isn’t All players, that’s why recruiting mindsets and personalities that work with your coaching style is so important at the collegiate level. I don’t think ANY athlete in ANY sport should think that a 4 year scholarship is a guarantee in any way other than working your butt off on the court and in the classroom. Just doesn’t make any sense to grant you a degree for almost free if you aren’t doing what is asked of you, this “Star Athlete” glorification is not the way to set these kids minds up. But I digress...
- The abuse of power as far as telling girls not to report him, the ignoring of jump attempt counters(wish there was context), and the racially charged bullying are for sure grounds for an investigation and sit down with athletes, administration, and hopefully an unbiased 3rd party facilitating this. I can see athletes not wanting their specific programs name to be tarnished and you don’t know the relationships these athletes have with the one named.
Let’s please do more serious debate and less torches and pitch forking lol reading through this everyone got so personally offended and ready to basically call a random college town a potential abuse-ignoring hotspot
We can be better about this topic
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Post by jengal on Aug 15, 2020 23:13:33 GMT -5
Has there been any more news about this situation?
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Post by blastingsand on Aug 17, 2020 13:01:25 GMT -5
This saga might just end like nothing happened.
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Post by Not Me on Nov 5, 2020 22:01:53 GMT -5
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Nov 5, 2020 22:17:09 GMT -5
Just read a different article about this on another site. These are some serious allegations, w/ fraud, coercion and other implications. It won't "end like nothing happened"!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 22:33:45 GMT -5
Just read a different article about this on another site. These are some serious allegations, w/ fraud, coercion and other implications. It won't "end like nothing happened"! Can you link that article?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 5, 2020 22:55:02 GMT -5
The scholarship thing is really %*$#ty. To be promised 4-years and then get a 1-year on NLI Day is tough. Players don't have recourse that late.
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Post by n00b on Nov 5, 2020 23:15:34 GMT -5
The scholarship thing is really %*$#ty. To be promised 4-years and then get a 1-year on NLI Day is tough. Players don't have recourse that late. The way the SI story is written, it doesn't quite seem like he flatly pulled the scholarship. Barnard then reminded Waiters of an earlier conversation in which he said they talked about a path for her that might not include volleyball.
“We need to get working on this one,” he told her. “So, realistically we’ve got to be able to turn over this scholarship fast. We’re already talking to other people.”Sounds like he wanted her to leave because he didn't think she was good enough. But wasn't going to offer the scholarship until SHE put herself on the portal. Not saying that makes him a great person, but to me it sounds like if she'd said 'no, I want to be at Oregon State', she'd have kept her scholarship.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 5, 2020 23:17:23 GMT -5
The scholarship thing is really %*$#ty. To be promised 4-years and then get a 1-year on NLI Day is tough. Players don't have recourse that late. The way the SI story is written, it doesn't quite seem like he flatly pulled the scholarship. Barnard then reminded Waiters of an earlier conversation in which he said they talked about a path for her that might not include volleyball.
“We need to get working on this one,” he told her. “So, realistically we’ve got to be able to turn over this scholarship fast. We’re already talking to other people.”Sounds like he wanted her to leave because he didn't think she was good enough. But wasn't going to offer the scholarship until SHE put herself on the portal. Not saying that makes him a great person, but to me it sounds like if she'd said 'no, I want to be at Oregon State', she'd have kept her scholarship. Seriously? My comment was about signing day. NLI. Also, just what a take.
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Post by n00b on Nov 5, 2020 23:43:13 GMT -5
The way the SI story is written, it doesn't quite seem like he flatly pulled the scholarship. Barnard then reminded Waiters of an earlier conversation in which he said they talked about a path for her that might not include volleyball.
“We need to get working on this one,” he told her. “So, realistically we’ve got to be able to turn over this scholarship fast. We’re already talking to other people.”Sounds like he wanted her to leave because he didn't think she was good enough. But wasn't going to offer the scholarship until SHE put herself on the portal. Not saying that makes him a great person, but to me it sounds like if she'd said 'no, I want to be at Oregon State', she'd have kept her scholarship. Seriously? My comment was about signing day. NLI. Also, just what a take. Why? If those quotes are correct, it wouldn't have mattered if she'd had a 1- or a 4-year scholarship. Offering a 1-year scholarship isn't the issue here. Plenty of coaches do that. For many athletic departments, it's the only thing offered. At those schools, it's totally normal for a coach to verbally offer 4 years just like all coaches verbally offer a scholarship to a junior. It doesn't mean they'll ever choose not to renew the scholarship or even that the school would let them if they wanted to. I think there are real reasons to question what went on here, I don't think the multi-year scholarship thing is one of them. Do we know for sure that OSU even offers multi-year scholarships?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 5, 2020 23:44:46 GMT -5
Seriously? My comment was about signing day. NLI. Also, just what a take. Why? If those quotes are correct, it wouldn't have mattered if she'd had a 1- or a 4-year scholarship. Offering a 1-year scholarship isn't the issue here. Plenty of coaches do that. For many athletic departments, it's the only thing offered. At those schools, it's totally normal for a coach to verbally offer 4 years just like all coaches verbally offer a scholarship to a junior. It doesn't mean they'll ever choose not to renew the scholarship or even that the school would let them if they wanted to. I think there are real reasons to question what went on here, I don't think the multi-year scholarship thing is one of them. Do we know for sure that OSU even offers multi-year scholarships? The issue is promising a 4 year scholarship and then changing terms on NLI day when the athlete has no recourse. And then putting the non-renewal on the athlete when a coach says he wants her to leave and is shopping her scholarship (When specifically it's been a prior issue that she didn't get the 4-year scholarship she was promised and was instead year-to-year). Wow.
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Post by n00b on Nov 5, 2020 23:49:38 GMT -5
Why? If those quotes are correct, it wouldn't have mattered if she'd had a 1- or a 4-year scholarship. Offering a 1-year scholarship isn't the issue here. Plenty of coaches do that. For many athletic departments, it's the only thing offered. At those schools, it's totally normal for a coach to verbally offer 4 years just like all coaches verbally offer a scholarship to a junior. It doesn't mean they'll ever choose not to renew the scholarship or even that the school would let them if they wanted to. I think there are real reasons to question what went on here, I don't think the multi-year scholarship thing is one of them. Do we know for sure that OSU even offers multi-year scholarships? The issue is promising a 4 year scholarship and then changing terms on NLI day when the athlete has no recourse. And then putting the non-renewal on the athlete when a coach says he wants her to leave and is shopping her scholarship (When specifically it's been a prior issue that she didn't get the 4-year scholarship she was promised and was instead year-to-year). Wow. From Oregon State's website: Institutional Financial Aid Renewal/NonrenewalAid based in any degree on athletics at Oregon State University is awarded on a one year renewable basis. In rare cases, a student-athlete may sign a multi-year aid agreement, in which case the award is renewable based upon the schedule initially included on the award letter. osubeavers.com/sports/2014/5/1/209486422.aspxSo this wasn't the coach being deceptive. Oregon State (generally) doesn't offer multi-year scholarships.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Nov 5, 2020 23:51:38 GMT -5
Just read a different article about this on another site. These are some serious allegations, w/ fraud, coercion and other implications. It won't "end like nothing happened"! Can you link that article? I read it in my Google aggregated news; wherein articles come and go (they appear for a brief amount of time, then replaced/recycled). Think it was an Oregon newspaper. If it comes around again, I'll endeavor to get it linked via my roommate/ nerd whiz-kid.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 5, 2020 23:51:59 GMT -5
The issue is promising a 4 year scholarship and then changing terms on NLI day when the athlete has no recourse. And then putting the non-renewal on the athlete when a coach says he wants her to leave and is shopping her scholarship (When specifically it's been a prior issue that she didn't get the 4-year scholarship she was promised and was instead year-to-year). Wow. From Oregon State's website: Institutional Financial Aid Renewal/NonrenewalAid based in any degree on athletics at Oregon State University is awarded on a one year renewable basis. In rare cases, a student-athlete may sign a multi-year aid agreement, in which case the award is renewable based upon the schedule initially included on the award letter. osubeavers.com/sports/2014/5/1/209486422.aspxSo this wasn't the coach being deceptive. Oregon State (generally) doesn't offer multi-year scholarships. But it clearly does. You're willfully misreading that to say OSU doesn't offer it. The coach was being deceptive by offering a 4-year scholarship to this, and other athletes, similar to other offers PAC-12 schools make. Continue to stretch to defend bad behavior from authority figures. I expect nothing less at this point.
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Post by 808 on Nov 5, 2020 23:56:40 GMT -5
Can you link that article? I read it in my Google aggregated news, wherein articles come and go (they appear for a brief amount of time; then replaced/recycled). Think it was an Oregon newspaper. If it comes around again, I'll endeavor to get it linked via my roommate/ nerd whiz-kid. Here's another story: sports.yahoo.com/players-oregon-st-coach-used-175623788.html
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