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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 3, 2020 17:30:06 GMT -5
I'd say it's about 85/15 between ownership and the players in the NFL and more like 95/5 in the NBA. The current NCAA system benefits ownership enormously.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Aug 3, 2020 17:46:45 GMT -5
I have always believed that players in the major college sports, basketball and football, should be paid professionals. Scholarships for athletics never made any sense. If you're a top prep player and think you have a path to the NFL or NBA, make your wishes known to the schools and decide where you want to play. Student-athletes would be permitted to take classes, but not required to do so. The colleges would serve as minor leagues for the "majors." Smaller schools who can't compete with Ohio State, USC, and the like would play in less demanding conferences. I guess they could still be paid, but the real action would be among the majors. Yes, I know this has nothing to do with WVB.
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Post by northwoods on Aug 3, 2020 21:42:26 GMT -5
Growing up playing hoops in Chicago there was an organization called Athletes for better Education. At the end of the season they did exposure camps and a meeting that gathered many of the HS seniors from the city. They asked a show of hands for how many expected to make $ playing basketball and the response was near unanimous. That was followed by an explanation that 3 maybe 5 of the 500 gathered would turn pro and named them (That year Mark Aguirre, Doc Rivers Isiah Thomas). The key was that unlike the rest of the world, there was this opportunity to trade playing the game you love for an education that will propel you to success for the rest of your life..... an opportunity that was out of the reach of most people in that room.
I really don’t understand the dismissal of a college education in exchange for playing a game as some abusive system, rather than an unbelievable opportunity. What are you going to pay a college athlete on this pro track....... a few grand a month? Guessing not generational wealth. At least under the current system they have every opportunity to be educated and set on a track to succeed in life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 22:00:53 GMT -5
It's an opportunity for an education if they'd be given more time for the student side of things, told not to be things like engineering majors or to avoid required afternoon chem/bio labs.
When the schools actually act like it's about education, then maybe others will believe it.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 3, 2020 22:10:23 GMT -5
Growing up playing hoops in Chicago there was an organization called Athletes for better Education. At the end of the season they did exposure camps and a meeting that gathered many of the HS seniors from the city. They asked a show of hands for how many expected to make $ playing basketball and the response was near unanimous. That was followed by an explanation that 3 maybe 5 of the 500 gathered would turn pro and named them (That year Mark Aguirre, Doc Rivers Isiah Thomas). The key was that unlike the rest of the world, there was this opportunity to trade playing the game you love for an education that will propel you to success for the rest of your life..... an opportunity that was out of the reach of most people in that room. I really don’t understand the dismissal of a college education in exchange for playing a game as some abusive system, rather than an unbelievable opportunity. What are you going to pay a college athlete on this pro track....... a few grand a month? Guessing not generational wealth. At least under the current system they have every opportunity to be educated and set on a track to succeed in life. Makes perfect sense until you realize people and institutions are making millions off their labor.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 3, 2020 22:33:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry; this started out as a silly thread to me...now, for me, it has gone-off-the-rails with ridiculous, speculative, plus conspiratorial BS. Will some of this "move the needle"?
YES, it will. But fantasizing about any desired, predicted demise of the NCAA? NO way, Jose'!
Some of us here have lived the SA experience. Me, I was more than happy to play for no money.
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 3, 2020 23:10:40 GMT -5
I am curious. Since some conferences have moved volleyball to spring. What exactly would they be playing for since most conferences won't be moved to spring? Certainly not an ncaa championship. So that would mean those players from the likes of Hawaii are playing just to win the conference?
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 3, 2020 23:13:31 GMT -5
I am curious. Since some conferences have moved volleyball to spring. What exactly would they be playing for since most conferences won't be moved to spring? Certainly not an ncaa championship. So that would mean those players from the likes of Hawaii are playing just to win the conference? Yeah.
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Post by n00b on Aug 3, 2020 23:27:23 GMT -5
I am curious. Since some conferences have moved volleyball to spring. What exactly would they be playing for since most conferences won't be moved to spring? Certainly not an ncaa championship. So that would mean those players from the likes of Hawaii are playing just to win the conference? Of all the conferences that have moved to the spring, Hawaii is the only one that even thinks about playing for a national championship anyway. Every other team is playing for what they normally play for - a conference championship.
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 3, 2020 23:42:39 GMT -5
I am curious. Since some conferences have moved volleyball to spring. What exactly would they be playing for since most conferences won't be moved to spring? Certainly not an ncaa championship. So that would mean those players from the likes of Hawaii are playing just to win the conference? Of all the conferences that have moved to the spring, Hawaii is the only one that even thinks about playing for a national championship anyway. Every other team is playing for what they normally play for - a conference championship. Very true but that sucks for Hawaii. Honestly if I were the Hawaii coach I would just redshirt the seniors and use the spring as a way to stay prepared that way come the 2021 season you have a full team and are even more prepared for fall. Or just redshirt the entire team like ASU swim coach is doing.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 3, 2020 23:47:06 GMT -5
Actually, there is a fanbase-of-one (at least here on VT) who believes his institution belongs in that echelon (rhymes with gal folly) . Seriously though, UH fans here are pissed off!
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Post by brooselee on Aug 3, 2020 23:47:58 GMT -5
I highly doubt any volleyball will be played on time. Maybe the P5 conferences are not going to move to the spring but they certainly are not ready to start “on time”. Some teams have yet to practice together. Others are together but cannot work out due to facilities being closed. Coach Sheffield of Wisconsin doesn’t even have a schedule. How are they supposed to make plans?
If the PAC 12 and the players movement group cannot come to an agreement, I doubt the PAC 12 volleyball will be played in the fall. No football means no volleyball. Then the PAC 12 is going to have to decide whether to play in the spring or cancel the volleyball season all together and come back in 2021. That could cost some players their senior season and that would be unfortunate.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 3, 2020 23:57:07 GMT -5
Of all the conferences that have moved to the spring, Hawaii is the only one that even thinks about playing for a national championship anyway. Every other team is playing for what they normally play for - a conference championship. Very true but that sucks for Hawaii. Honestly if I were the Hawaii coach I would just redshirt the seniors and use the spring as a way to stay prepared that way come the 2021 season you have a full team and are even more prepared for fall. Or just redshirt the entire team like ASU swim coach is doing. The problem is scholarships have been promised to incoming players in 2021. Hawaii will have 4 seniors on the teams this season. The 4 scholarships these seniors are holding are supposed to go to players coming in. Will be a big mess on how to work it out. Hawaii would gladly have these 4 come back BUT there are players in the 2021 class that are our future. Coach Robyn worked hard in getting these kids to come. It’s not easy to tell them to delay their enrollment for a year. Hawaii could risk losing them to other schools. If I was the coach, I would rather have a spring season, send the seniors off with a Big West Championship and then prepare to rebuild in 2021. Hawaii will be good in 2020 but we are incorporating two new setters into our lineup and lost our top offense player. I don’t think we will go deep into post season even if we played in the fall. However, by spring, maybe the setters will have enough reps and be ready. Hawaii Rainbow Wahine Big West Champions in 2021 sounds good to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 0:03:42 GMT -5
Very true but that sucks for Hawaii. Honestly if I were the Hawaii coach I would just redshirt the seniors and use the spring as a way to stay prepared that way come the 2021 season you have a full team and are even more prepared for fall. Or just redshirt the entire team like ASU swim coach is doing. The problem is scholarships have been promised to incoming players in 2021. Hawaii will have 4 seniors on the teams this season. The 4 scholarships these seniors are holding are supposed to go to players coming in. Will be a big mess on how to work it out. Hawaii would gladly have these 4 come back BUT there are players in the 2021 class that are our future. Coach Robyn worked hard in getting these kids to come. It’s not easy to tell them to delay their enrollment for a year. Hawaii could risk losing them to other schools. If I was the coach, I would rather have a spring season, send the seniors off with a Big West Championship and then prepare to rebuild in 2021. Unless the requirements for testing are significantly reduced, there won't be a Big West Championship in the spring. Right now the P5 are the only ones with a spare $300-400k to burn on testing. And without testing there's just no way you can even pretend it's safe.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 4, 2020 0:06:43 GMT -5
The problem is scholarships have been promised to incoming players in 2021. Hawaii will have 4 seniors on the teams this season. The 4 scholarships these seniors are holding are supposed to go to players coming in. Will be a big mess on how to work it out. Hawaii would gladly have these 4 come back BUT there are players in the 2021 class that are our future. Coach Robyn worked hard in getting these kids to come. It’s not easy to tell them to delay their enrollment for a year. Hawaii could risk losing them to other schools. If I was the coach, I would rather have a spring season, send the seniors off with a Big West Championship and then prepare to rebuild in 2021. Unless the requirements for testing are significantly reduced, there won't be a Big West Championship in the spring. Right now the P5 are the only ones with a spare $300-400k to burn on testing. And without testing there's just no way you can even pretend it's safe. I can pray. ;-)
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