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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 14:58:59 GMT -5
You can argue if these lists are worthwhile. You can discuss why the lists are being compiled. But clearly, the lists themselves are a far cry from the rankings put together by PVB in years past.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 19, 2020 15:13:42 GMT -5
You can argue if these lists are worthwhile. You can discuss why the lists are being compiled. But clearly, the lists themselves are a far cry from the rankings put together by PVB in years past. This is the first time PVB has ever done this (to my knowledge). They have moved the Senior Aces from August to December (I think) in an effort to get more information on Seniors. This list - and the lists for Juniors, Sophs, Fresh, etc... has never been done by PVB.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 16:13:40 GMT -5
I believed it was an attempt to match senior aces, top 50 juniors, sophomores 79, and freshman 59... either way, the depth of research was not as thorough in my opinion.
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Post by volleyon on Aug 19, 2020 16:28:18 GMT -5
You can argue if these lists are worthwhile. You can discuss why the lists are being compiled. But clearly, the lists themselves are a far cry from the rankings put together by PVB in years past. This is the first time PVB has ever done this (to my knowledge). They have moved the Senior Aces from August to December (I think) in an effort to get more information on Seniors. This list - and the lists for Juniors, Sophs, Fresh, etc... has never been done by PVB. PVB published "Inside the Top 150: Part 1" and "Part 2" a couple of days ago to try to explain how / why they came up with these lists. It appears as though the Freshmen 59 and Sophmore 79 are based on HS success only (club not taken into consideration) while the Top 50 Junior list and Senior Aces are more about projections at the college level. At least from my reading of the recent articles, PVB will still do the rankings (in addition to the list) but most likely will be delayed?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 16:31:14 GMT -5
Thank-you.
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Post by volleyon on Aug 19, 2020 16:33:35 GMT -5
You can argue if these lists are worthwhile. You can discuss why the lists are being compiled. But clearly, the lists themselves are a far cry from the rankings put together by PVB in years past. This is the first time PVB has ever done this (to my knowledge). They have moved the Senior Aces from August to December (I think) in an effort to get more information on Seniors. This list - and the lists for Juniors, Sophs, Fresh, etc... has never been done by PVB. I wonder what, if anything, the departure of John Tawa from PVB had to do with the new lists? Wasn't he mainly responsible for the research and rankings in years past?
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 20, 2020 7:12:27 GMT -5
This is the first time PVB has ever done this (to my knowledge). They have moved the Senior Aces from August to December (I think) in an effort to get more information on Seniors. This list - and the lists for Juniors, Sophs, Fresh, etc... has never been done by PVB. I wonder what, if anything, the departure of John Tawa from PVB had to do with the new lists? Wasn't he mainly responsible for the research and rankings in years past? My guess - the key was his relationship with his panel of college coaches. It is not clear if that relationship or a similar relationship exists - or if the NCAA will even allow as going into the 2019 senior aces there was talk that participation by any college coach could be considered a violation of NCAA rules.
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Post by secfuture on Aug 21, 2020 12:19:41 GMT -5
I believed it was an attempt to match senior aces, top 50 juniors, sophomores 79, and freshman 59... either way, the depth of research was not as thorough in my opinion. i totally agree. it now seems that pvb has been very political and girls with the most popular clubs get the best spot on the list
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Post by John Tawa-VolleyballMag.com on Aug 21, 2020 13:00:24 GMT -5
This is the first time PVB has ever done this (to my knowledge). They have moved the Senior Aces from August to December (I think) in an effort to get more information on Seniors. This list - and the lists for Juniors, Sophs, Fresh, etc... has never been done by PVB. I wonder what, if anything, the departure of John Tawa from PVB had to do with the new lists? Wasn't he mainly responsible for the research and rankings in years past? I can weigh in here. I never did anything at Prep for clicks. I was reluctant to embrace a lot of the suggested changes where clicks or pandering for subscriptions was the sole focus. After selling the site in 2015, Prep added Star Search to its tournament coverage, club watch lists to its pre-season club stuff and now these Top 150 lists, which are just pure guesses by a staff not equipped to make those judgments. (In case you come at me, I wasn't equipped either, which is why I always engaged college coaches in a months' long process before ranking anyone). I hate all of them. They are not special. And because my goal was always to celebrate the kids who play the sport, I can only imagine the pain when someone ranked in the top 150 slowly drops and drops and drops. That's pain I did not want to inflict. I also hate moving the Senior Aces list. With the VB Mag list in the spring, Senior Aces occupied a unique space on the calendar and was ALWAYS FIRST, something that gave me great pride. I don't know what else to say. In the several months since I've left it looks like a recruiting blog with a few press release re-writes tossed in. It tarnishes the site that I poured my heart into for 17 years and makes me sad. And saying that, let me add that I love Sloane Green. She is a hard worker and dedicated to becoming better every day and serving the sport. For her alone, Prep continues to deserve your support.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 21, 2020 13:12:56 GMT -5
I wonder what, if anything, the departure of John Tawa from PVB had to do with the new lists? Wasn't he mainly responsible for the research and rankings in years past? I can weigh in here. I never did anything at Prep for clicks. I was reluctant to embrace a lot of the suggested changes where clicks or pandering for subscriptions was the sole focus. After selling the site in 2015, Prep added Star Search to its tournament coverage, club watch lists to its pre-season club stuff and now these Top 150 lists, which are just pure guesses by a staff not equipped to make those judgments. (In case you come at me, I wasn't equipped either, which is why I always engaged college coaches in a months' long process before ranking anyone). I hate all of them. They are not special. And because my goal was always to celebrate the kids who play the sport, I can only imagine the pain when someone ranked in the top 150 slowly drops and drops and drops. That's pain I did not want to inflict. I also hate moving the Senior Aces list. With the VB Mag list in the spring, Senior Aces occupied a unique space on the calendar and was ALWAYS FIRST, something that gave me great pride. I don't know what else to say. In the several months since I've left it looks like a recruiting blog with a few press release re-writes tossed in. It tarnishes the site that I poured my heart into for 17 years and makes me sad. And saying that, let me add that I love Sloane Green. She is a hard worker and dedicated to becoming better every day and serving the sport. For her alone, Prep continues to deserve your support. Thanks John. Looking forward to hearing more about your new venture (in the future). And agree about PV and Sloane.
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Post by volleyon on Aug 23, 2020 13:33:29 GMT -5
I wonder what, if anything, the departure of John Tawa from PVB had to do with the new lists? Wasn't he mainly responsible for the research and rankings in years past? I can weigh in here. I never did anything at Prep for clicks. I was reluctant to embrace a lot of the suggested changes where clicks or pandering for subscriptions was the sole focus. After selling the site in 2015, Prep added Star Search to its tournament coverage, club watch lists to its pre-season club stuff and now these Top 150 lists, which are just pure guesses by a staff not equipped to make those judgments. (In case you come at me, I wasn't equipped either, which is why I always engaged college coaches in a months' long process before ranking anyone). I hate all of them. They are not special. And because my goal was always to celebrate the kids who play the sport, I can only imagine the pain when someone ranked in the top 150 slowly drops and drops and drops. That's pain I did not want to inflict. I also hate moving the Senior Aces list. With the VB Mag list in the spring, Senior Aces occupied a unique space on the calendar and was ALWAYS FIRST, something that gave me great pride. I don't know what else to say. In the several months since I've left it looks like a recruiting blog with a few press release re-writes tossed in. It tarnishes the site that I poured my heart into for 17 years and makes me sad. And saying that, let me add that I love Sloane Green. She is a hard worker and dedicated to becoming better every day and serving the sport. For her alone, Prep continues to deserve your support. Thank you for clarifying - this helps explain the changes. It's admirable that you considered the impact on kids who were ranked at one point then slowly drop. Your praise of Sloane Green is noted. Any chance she will join you in your new venture, whatever that may be? Thank you for your dedication to the sport and these athletes for so many years.
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Post by John Tawa-VolleyballMag.com on Aug 24, 2020 18:12:22 GMT -5
Sloane is someone anyone would be privileged to work with
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 24, 2020 21:23:20 GMT -5
When did Nya Bunton become 6’5”? It's a legit 6'5"
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 24, 2020 21:28:06 GMT -5
I wonder what, if anything, the departure of John Tawa from PVB had to do with the new lists? Wasn't he mainly responsible for the research and rankings in years past? I can weigh in here. I never did anything at Prep for clicks. I was reluctant to embrace a lot of the suggested changes where clicks or pandering for subscriptions was the sole focus. After selling the site in 2015, Prep added Star Search to its tournament coverage, club watch lists to its pre-season club stuff and now these Top 150 lists, which are just pure guesses by a staff not equipped to make those judgments. (In case you come at me, I wasn't equipped either, which is why I always engaged college coaches in a months' long process before ranking anyone). I hate all of them. They are not special. And because my goal was always to celebrate the kids who play the sport, I can only imagine the pain when someone ranked in the top 150 slowly drops and drops and drops. That's pain I did not want to inflict. I also hate moving the Senior Aces list. With the VB Mag list in the spring, Senior Aces occupied a unique space on the calendar and was ALWAYS FIRST, something that gave me great pride. I don't know what else to say. In the several months since I've left it looks like a recruiting blog with a few press release re-writes tossed in. It tarnishes the site that I poured my heart into for 17 years and makes me sad. And saying that, let me add that I love Sloane Green. She is a hard worker and dedicated to becoming better every day and serving the sport. For her alone, Prep continues to deserve your support. The changes were very blatant this year when they ranked the top 2024 before most of them had even tried out for their high school teams. With the NCAA doing it's best to actively discourage early recruiting, this list this year and its timing seemed to be very irresponsible.
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