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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 6, 2020 8:40:17 GMT -5
I'm a firm believer that modern medicine has had a negative impact on our political system, at least in America. Our political leadership:
Trump: 74 Pelosi: 80 Schumer: 69 McConnell: 78 4/9 of SCOTUS justices are over 70. Two are over 80!
Biden, as stated above, is 77. These people came of age 40+ years ago, all of them, and the world is aradically[i/] different place. Even 50 years ago they'd all either be dead or too old to keep working. One of the reasons Bernie connects with so many young people is that he's been the same guy since the 1970s, not necessarily that his world view has changed with the times.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 6, 2020 8:41:27 GMT -5
. Yes because we know those who support rioting and Joe Biden are much smarter, come on man! Changing topics is not going to help. Yes, Biden isn't the exemplary orator that Obama is. He has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. None of that really is the heart of the matter though. Its policies. Its basic conscience. It's having the ability to dignified the office, that is everything that Biden has and Trump lacks. If Trump has done anything good, it's that he's done away with the idea that the Office of the President should have any dignity assigned to it.
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Post by vup on Aug 6, 2020 9:33:00 GMT -5
Shouldn't Trump be able to beat an elderly person with dementia without going to lengths to try to suppress the vote and invoke foreign powers to intervene in our elections?
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 6, 2020 9:38:28 GMT -5
Changing topics is not going to help. Yes, Biden isn't the exemplary orator that Obama is. He has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. None of that really is the heart of the matter though. Its policies. Its basic conscience. It's having the ability to dignified the office, that is everything that Biden has and Trump lacks. If Trump has done anything good, it's that he's done away with the idea that the Office of the President should have any dignity assigned to it. That's a very low bar to cross...
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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 6, 2020 10:19:57 GMT -5
If you call displaying a man with dementia, dignity? If you call holding out the stimulus package for businesses and people that are starving to death, because you want money for democratic cities who allowed itself to be destroyed? Is that dignity? If you call dragging a supreme court judge through the mud to make sure you get to abort children dignity? Then you’re is messed up as I thought you were.
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Post by cutshot818 on Aug 6, 2020 11:01:01 GMT -5
330 million people in the US. And the best 2 the DNC could offer up to the American people were Sanders and Biden.
If the Democrats had done their homework over the past 4 years and come up with a viable, solid candidate running on a viable, solid platform, they could have really made an impact. Instead, they spend the time expending all their energy on trying to make Trump look like a crook and removing him from office. What a huge bunch of idiots.
Like all the social media memes say, career politicians who have all been in office for 40+ years all trying to blame the country's problems on a guy who has been in office less than 4 years.
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Post by cutshot818 on Aug 6, 2020 11:12:39 GMT -5
Maybe when Biden wins, he'll be like Emperor Palpatine in The Rise of Skywalker. They do kinda bear a slight resemblance to each other.
Anyway, staffers will have to make some modifications in the West Wing to get all those crazy contraptions in to keep Creepy Uncle Joe hooked up and going each day.
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Post by rockhopper on Aug 6, 2020 11:46:55 GMT -5
My mother is 85 and also struggles with communication. It continuously gets worst not better. Interestingly, nouns and adjectives are the words that trip her up. Verbs are never the problem. It is very frustrating to her and I'm sure embarrassing and scary. I can't imagine if she was going through this on such a public stage. Shame on the democrats for not coming up with a different candidate. Shame on Trump for manufacturing a weak argument that has no basis in facts. We'll see who gets elected, that's all that matters, not some imaginary argument of Biden being senile. Shame on Trump for so many things. Shame on the republicans for not coming up with a better candidate.
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Post by cutshot818 on Aug 6, 2020 11:57:26 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with Joe Biden or the content of this thread. I just wanted to out-shame everyone else on this thread who is playing the shame-blame-game.
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Post by cutshot818 on Aug 6, 2020 11:59:46 GMT -5
Man, I forgot what a Jam the Monie Love cut is. Great use of a classic Motown sample, mixed with the beats and production of the New Jack Swing era of hip-hop.
But, I'm guessing I'm probably in a serious minority here of people who actually listen to hip-hop.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 6, 2020 12:15:00 GMT -5
. Yes because we know those who support rioting and Joe Biden are much smarter, come on man! Changing topics is not going to help. Yes, Biden isn't the exemplary orator that Obama is. He has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. None of that really is the heart of the matter though. Its policies. Its basic conscience. It's having the ability to dignified the office, that is everything that Biden has and Trump lacks. Like pretty much everyone with sense Ill be voting for Biden as long as he continues to not be Trump, but the idea that this is just a remnant of stuttering ignores history. For 35 or so years, Biden didnt have this issue. Look up some articles from his early presidential runs, he is described as a gifted orator, the word eloquent is repeatedly used. Is that consistent with the man who has struggled even in pre-recorded videos his own campaign put out? Its one reason his VP pick is so important and that its so disappointing to see him playing identity politics with it. A Democrat is getting elected in 2024, the post-Covid economic recovery will all but assure that. I dont think it will be Biden since I believe his current issues are age-related so we are looking at his VP, who will more or less be handed the presidency.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 6, 2020 12:18:20 GMT -5
Shame on Trump for manufacturing a weak argument that has no basis in facts. We'll see who gets elected, that's all that matters, not some imaginary argument of Biden being senile. Shame on Trump for so many things. Shame on the republicans for not coming up with a better candidate. Remarkable how both parties (GOP in 2016 and Dems in 2020) essentially entered the primaries with an all-star lineup due to perceived vulnerability in the other party. Both parties ran almost everybody with a big name and any shot at winning. And look who we ended up in both cases. Ugh
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Post by cindra on Aug 6, 2020 12:22:22 GMT -5
Changing topics is not going to help. Yes, Biden isn't the exemplary orator that Obama is. He has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. None of that really is the heart of the matter though. Its policies. Its basic conscience. It's having the ability to dignified the office, that is everything that Biden has and Trump lacks. Like pretty much everyone with sense Ill be voting for Biden as long as he continues to not be Trump, but the idea that this is just a remnant of stuttering ignores history. For 35 or so years, Biden didnt have this issue. Look up some articles from his early presidential runs, he is described as a gifted orator, the word eloquent is repeatedly used. Is that consistent with the man who has struggled even in pre-recorded videos his own campaign put out? Its one reason his VP pick is so important and that its so disappointing to see him playing identity politics with it. A Democrat is getting elected in 2024, the post-Covid economic recovery will all but assure that. I dont think it will be Biden since I believe his current issues are age-related so we are looking at his VP, who will more or less be handed the presidency. No issue with the idea that he will be a 1-term and the VP pick is important, but his stutter is well-documented over his whole career. He worked hard to overcome it and has spoken/written about it a lot. Maybe it's coming back because he's aging, or stress, but it's not something he just developed.
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Post by hammer on Aug 6, 2020 12:24:16 GMT -5
This isn't much of an issue if Biden debates Trump one-on-one without any electronic guidance. Then likely voters will be able to gauge if Biden has had significant cognitive decline.
Given Joe's known medical history and therapeutic drug usage there is likely some decline, but the question is about the amount. There would also be questions about whether he has suffered one or more mini-strokes due to his known drug regimen. Nearing 80 people talk slower and typically have short term memory and balance issues, not to mention digestive system disorders like constipation and irregular bowel movements. These in itself are not reasons to immediately dismiss Joe as a viable candidate.
BTW, Trump is no spring chicken either and he's now nearing the age where his mental faculties could decline rapidly. Again, we will have a chance to judge both men's mental acuity on the debate stage.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 6, 2020 12:44:38 GMT -5
Like pretty much everyone with sense Ill be voting for Biden as long as he continues to not be Trump, but the idea that this is just a remnant of stuttering ignores history. For 35 or so years, Biden didnt have this issue. Look up some articles from his early presidential runs, he is described as a gifted orator, the word eloquent is repeatedly used. Is that consistent with the man who has struggled even in pre-recorded videos his own campaign put out? Its one reason his VP pick is so important and that its so disappointing to see him playing identity politics with it. A Democrat is getting elected in 2024, the post-Covid economic recovery will all but assure that. I dont think it will be Biden since I believe his current issues are age-related so we are looking at his VP, who will more or less be handed the presidency. No issue with the idea that he will be a 1-term and the VP pick is important, but his stutter is well-documented over his whole career. He worked hard to overcome it and has spoken/written about it a lot. Maybe it's coming back because he's aging, or stress, but it's not something he just developed. Its well documented that he overcame it as a youth. I get that Biden isn't a great public speaker and makes a lot of mistakes but he will have to do. That said, it too bad we didn't choose the poltician that: the LATimes praised for "soul-stirring oratory" The New York Times said was such an exceptional public speaker that many mistakenly thought he was all style and no substance. Time called "an orator for the next generation" The Atlantic devoted four paragraphs of their Dem candidate breakdown to his eloquence. Who was the candidate who was such a brilliant speaker that every major outlet seemed to lead with his oratorical skills? Was it Buttegeig? Yang? Warren? Bernie? No, it was 1987 Joe Biden. He didnt have stuttering issues or these inexplicable gaffes then and he was known for being an incredible public speaker. The evidence is in the old clippings where he was constantly compared to Mario Cuomo, long held the best speaker in the Dem party. Here is a quote from 2020, from the Boston Herald, this time comparing Biden to Cuomo's son: "Cuomo is everything Biden is not — a strong orator...."
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