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Post by wmiv1895 on Aug 9, 2020 19:51:01 GMT -5
From the CDC website:
“CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.”
If Covid-19 vaccines have a similar result, will we not still be in a similar situation? The reason I ask I because of all the talk about long term effects on the heart. How will that affect college athletics, liability, insurance rates, etc.... There are those saying now that a big surge will return this winter.
People say we know how to live with the flu (some on here say herd immunity) and we seem to accept flu deaths as common place. This covid however is new and we get all sorts of opinions. Will we get to the point where have the same attitude towards Covid-19 as we do flu? Can sports / life ever be the same as before all this started with numbers that mirror the flu
Maybe this will be a mute point and we totally defeat Covid. But if not, who on here knows what will happen next? And yes I know that flu and covid aren’t the same thing. Yes there are a lot of differences. I just want someone on here to address what we do if we average the same numbers as flu. Heck, even 50% of flu numbers.
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Post by cindra on Aug 9, 2020 19:57:46 GMT -5
The flu is partly kept at those numbers because we have an effective vaccine for it. If we didn't have a vaccine, we'd be in much deeper trouble and probably would already have been doing all of these mitigation procedures for decades. I assume that when (if) a vaccine comes out it will be the same way. Get a vaccine to protect yourself and also create herd immunity.
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Post by n00b on Aug 9, 2020 19:59:06 GMT -5
From the CDC website: “CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.” If Covid-19 vaccines have a similar result, will we not still be in a similar situation? The reason I ask I because of all the talk about long term effects on the heart. How will that affect college athletics, liability, insurance rates, etc.... There are those saying now that a big surge will return this winter. People say we know how to live with the flu (some on here say herd immunity) and we seem to accept flu deaths as common place. This covid however is new and we get all sorts of opinions. Will we get to the point where have the same attitude towards Covid-19 as we do flu? Can sports / life ever be the same as before all this started with numbers that mirror the flu Maybe this will be a mute point and we totally defeat Covid. But if not, who on here knows what will happen next? And yes I know that flu and covid aren’t the same thing. Yes there are a lot of differences. I just want someone on here to address what we do if we average the same numbers as flu. Heck, even 50% of flu numbers. So 25,000-50,000 COVID deaths/year in America? I think we essentially go back to life as it was before with a couple of minor adjustments. Specifically, in the near future Americans will stop attempting to 'suck it up' and power through illness to get to work. And some extra awareness to avoid public if you have symptoms. That will also help help decrease flu transmission and deaths. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2020 20:05:13 GMT -5
The thing is, there are *lots* of different "the flu" viruses. It's a particularly variable virus, which is a big reason why it's hard for people to just get it and "be immune". AFAIK, we haven't seen a lot of evidence that say SARS-CoV-2 changes as often as the flu virus does.
The flu is also a lot less deadly. The more deadly a virus is, the harder it is for the virus to stay endemic in the population.
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Post by n00b on Aug 9, 2020 20:10:19 GMT -5
The flu is also a lot less deadly. The more deadly a virus is, the harder it is for the virus to stay endemic in the population. Maybe. The flu after centuries of figuring out how to treat is less deadly than COVID-19 after 9 months. I think it's reasonable to hope that we can treat COVID better as we go forward and bring down the mortality rate. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 20:14:03 GMT -5
It's not just that we have flu vaccines (some years more effective than others), we also have effective treatments. We have neither, so far, for COVID-19.
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Post by wmiv1895 on Aug 9, 2020 20:31:56 GMT -5
All good points. I guess what I’m really driving at is to say that there is a very strong chance people will still be dying from this in years to come, even with a vaccine. Maybe not, but we don’t know for sure. I think we can all agree on that (unless we get the miracle cure). There will still be those that suffer from long term effects and the NCAA is afraid of lawsuits like the concussion ones they are fighting now. I just feel like too many people on here rip into people too harshly and say things like “you don’t care about older people, you don’t care if people die, etc.....”. As in life, there will come a point when we all have accept some % of risk with this thing and I’m not trying to suggest a cavalier attitude. Please proceed cautiously. But when I see some people say things about others not caring, I just want to ask them what is their acceptable end goal to all this craziness? Life is a risk every day you drive to work or eat at a restaurant or whatever risk you want to suggest. I know we can’t always control whether or not we get sick and that is causing a lot of people to Live in fear, which I refuse to do. And yes..... there are those on here that say some really stupid irresponsible stuff and need to be addressed.
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Post by cutshot818 on Aug 9, 2020 23:13:38 GMT -5
All good points. I guess what I’m really driving at is to say that there is a very strong chance people will still be dying from this in years to come, even with a vaccine. Maybe not, but we don’t know for sure. I think we can all agree on that (unless we get the miracle cure). There will still be those that suffer from long term effects and the NCAA is afraid of lawsuits like the concussion ones they are fighting now. I just feel like too many people on here rip into people too harshly and say things like “you don’t care about older people, you don’t care if people die, etc.....”. As in life, there will come a point when we all have accept some % of risk with this thing and I’m not trying to suggest a cavalier attitude. Please proceed cautiously. But when I see some people say things about others not caring, I just want to ask them what is their acceptable end goal to all this craziness? Life is a risk every day you drive to work or eat at a restaurant or whatever risk you want to suggest. I know we can’t always control whether or not we get sick and that is causing a lot of people to Live in fear, which I refuse to do. And yes..... there are those on here that say some really stupid irresponsible stuff and need to be addressed. This is very true. Each and every one of us accepts risk each time we step out our front door. Can't handle that risk? Then stay inside your bubble and never come out. But don't tell others to do the same. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 10, 2020 0:33:06 GMT -5
All good points. I guess what I’m really driving at is to say that there is a very strong chance people will still be dying from this in years to come, even with a vaccine. Maybe not, but we don’t know for sure. I think we can all agree on that (unless we get the miracle cure). There will still be those that suffer from long term effects and the NCAA is afraid of lawsuits like the concussion ones they are fighting now. I just feel like too many people on here rip into people too harshly and say things like “you don’t care about older people, you don’t care if people die, etc.....”. As in life, there will come a point when we all have accept some % of risk with this thing and I’m not trying to suggest a cavalier attitude. Please proceed cautiously. But when I see some people say things about others not caring, I just want to ask them what is their acceptable end goal to all this craziness? Life is a risk every day you drive to work or eat at a restaurant or whatever risk you want to suggest. I know we can’t always control whether or not we get sick and that is causing a lot of people to Live in fear, which I refuse to do. And yes..... there are those on here that say some really stupid irresponsible stuff and need to be addressed. The margin between "refusing to live in fear" and "doing stupid irresponsible stuff" can sometimes be pretty hard to see. |
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 10, 2020 1:08:30 GMT -5
We need to be careful lumping flu with Covid together. They are different diseases caused by different viruses. They both affect the respiratory system but that does not mean they just the same in terms of vaccine efficacy. We have think carefully before making generalized comparison between the two. The experience with covid may not be same for flu.
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