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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 13, 2020 9:21:03 GMT -5
I decided to put my political views in my signature, too. "*** 2020 Stivrins/Sun 2020 ***" What is that, some sort of epitaph to the Fall season?
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Post by knapplc on Aug 13, 2020 9:23:39 GMT -5
I decided to put my political views in my signature, too. "*** 2020 Stivrins/Sun 2020 ***" What is that, some sort of epitaph to the Fall season? It's humor.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 13, 2020 9:29:33 GMT -5
"*** 2020 Stivrins/Sun 2020 ***" What is that, some sort of epitaph to the Fall season? It's humor. Humor has no place on these boards right now. That is why you didn't find my post funny.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 13, 2020 9:34:35 GMT -5
You reframed my point to make it seem much more trivial than I intended. Colleges are widely recognized as important vectors of disease because of shared space, resources, crowding and intermixing. That is why they are first to close, and why reopening has been such a huge kettle of fish. Simply having teams in sports that require a certain interaction that would be discouraged everywhere else on campus is risky. That problem is exacerbated exponentially in football because of the sheer numbers of players and potential contacts, and the nature of those contacts. In a situation where you move outside of controlled practice situations to real uncontrolled game situations with other teams from other institutions and communities it gets worse. Given current community infection rates, I'd guess the chances of at least one student athlete in a program getting infected during the season under that situation is almost surely 100%. No one is suggesting bubbling college football - I'm not sure how you could do it - and the testing isn't frequent enough to catch presymptomatic infections on time. If community policies are not geared to stop spread you lose control of who gets infected that means community spread: friends - family - friends - associates. (This is putting aside the issue of liability - which is a different dimension of the problem.) What people seem to be arguing is that sports provides more of a structured environment that should limit spread relative to what happens in a community. But I think that would only apply to sports with much smaller rosters and with different activities and if they were not on campus. Football is really the only sport under consideration here - it's driving everything due to economics. It is true that campuses and programs are trying to enforce stricter protocols than they would see outside of football, but the activities of football are worse than activities in the community in terms of spread - so you have to depend on barriers with the community in which spread is rampant. Again, you are not working in bubbles on campuses, campuses are not bubbled from communities, and the nature of football increases exposure rates and potential spread. It's already happened on several campuses. Officially, one of every 2000 people in the US has now died of COVID. The real number is almost certainly greater. And it is much worse if you consider African Americans alone. Football does have some advantages: 1) It is played outdoors instead of indoors. 2) The schedule is one game a week - where testing right before playing and then at some point earlier in the week should greatly reduce the number of players playing on Saturday that are infectious. VB seems to be going down a similar road - with back to back matches only played on weekends in an effort to save money, but also to better control the spread of the virus. 3) If contracting COVID - the heart and lung diagnostics and care will be much greater for college football players than most people. If the number of college football players that end up being positive is something similar whether they play or don't play - the care given if they play will be an advantage. But, I'd think the outdoor aspect of football is largely negated by the fact that the entire point of the sport is contact - every play involves extreme contact, people literally on top of each other at the end of the play; in each other's face; all the contact at the the line, and on and on. And it's enormous physical exertion so folks are breathing hard and expelling.
Rapid tests would definitely help a lot. Not just taking everyone's temperature, but knowing an hour or two before the game if players actually have Covid. But is that sort of testing possible on a large scale at the college level?
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 13, 2020 9:48:21 GMT -5
Football does have some advantages: 1) It is played outdoors instead of indoors. 2) The schedule is one game a week - where testing right before playing and then at some point earlier in the week should greatly reduce the number of players playing on Saturday that are infectious. VB seems to be going down a similar road - with back to back matches only played on weekends in an effort to save money, but also to better control the spread of the virus. 3) If contracting COVID - the heart and lung diagnostics and care will be much greater for college football players than most people. If the number of college football players that end up being positive is something similar whether they play or don't play - the care given if they play will be an advantage. But, I'd think the outdoor aspect of football is completely negated by the fact that the entire point of the sport is contact - every play involves extreme contact, people literally on top of each other at the end of the play; all the contact at the the line, and on and on. And it's enormous physical exertion so folks are breathing hard and expelling.
Rapid tests would definitely help a lot. Not just taking everyone's temperature, but knowing an hour or two before the game if players actually have Covid. Put is that sort of testing possible on a large scale at the college level?
From what I understand - all players would be tested prior to playing on Saturday (Say on Friday before leaving for the road game). Only those that tested negative would play - and in theory this would greatly mitigate the risk to the opposing team. Couple this with the potential for face shields that would help (although there are current issues with this). Agree - there are negatives to Football relative to other sports - including very large number of players and lots of physical contact. I was just pointing out that there are also some positives to work with.
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Post by knapplc on Aug 13, 2020 9:53:34 GMT -5
Humor has no place on these boards right now. That is why you didn't find my post funny. I feel like a lot of us are trying to lighten things up but because we're all depressed about the suckiness of the season being canceled and just general pandemic nonsense, we're all coming across to each other like the "I am disappoint" guy.
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Post by JT on Aug 13, 2020 10:30:14 GMT -5
Please remove your political view. It is offensive to me and has no place on this volleyball board! WHAT POLITICAL VIEW??!? Listing your choice of POLITICAL candidates for a POLITICAL office is, oddly enough, a POLITICAL VIEW. On a different board that I moderate, the “no politics” edict (except on the political forum) extended to posts, signatures, avatars, and even login names... because people would try to get around the board’s rules... just like you are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 10:32:35 GMT -5
Listing your choice of POLITICAL candidates for a POLITICAL office is, oddly enough, a POLITICAL VIEW. On a different board that I moderate, the “no politics” edict (except on the political forum) extended to posts, signatures, avatars, and even login names... because people would try to get around the board’s rules... just like you are doing. This is why it is best to just be Lord Vader. I hate everyone, everything, everyone's politics, all political parties. There are security recordings of me killing younglings, afterall.
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Post by knapplc on Aug 13, 2020 10:35:02 GMT -5
This is why it is best to just be Lord Vader. I hate everyone, everything, everyone's politics, all political parties. There are security recordings of me killing younglings, afterall. Yes. You're very intimidating, m'Lord.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 10:40:33 GMT -5
This is why it is best to just be Lord Vader. I hate everyone, everything, everyone's politics, all political parties. There are security recordings of me killing younglings, afterall. Yes. You're very intimidating, m'Lord. Just look at those moves I have. Great feet. Great rhythm. I have some sociopathic killer dance moves.
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Post by missunderstood on Aug 13, 2020 11:15:35 GMT -5
From Wisconsin VB - Hopeful for Spring VB
Dear fellow Badgers,
Tuesday was a tough day for everyone. The Big Ten's announcement of the postponement of the fall athletics season was gut-wrenching for our student-athletes, our fans and our staff.
We couldn't be more proud of how our team has handled the past few months, dealing with all the uncertainty and doing everything that was asked of them in order to try and play this fall. We feel terrible for them.
We have been looking forward to the celebration of another season, as well as the many unrivaled traditions that make match day at the Field House the best in the country. Unfortunately, we will now have to wait to experience that together.
We are greatly appreciative that 91 percent of our season ticket holders made the choice to order season tickets again this year and it disappoints us that we will not be able to provide those season tickets.
As we have shared, we are facing a critical financial crisis. With the news of our fall sports being postponed, we are forecasting a revenue shortfall in excess of $100 million.
This revenue funds the scholarships, programs and opportunities 800+ student-athletes rely on to compete and develop at the highest level. Because of your support, we have separated from our peers and surrounded our athletes with first-class coaching, facilities, academic support, nutrition, sports medicine and mental health services.
We want to ensure that we continue developing student-athletes that make us proud both on and off the court and keep the world watching when we sing Varsity together. This is an extraordinary challenge and this is why we have launched the Badger Legacy Campaign.
Without further investment from our community, the experience we love as Badgers is at risk.
We are asking you to make a financial contribution to support our student-athletes by reinvesting your season ticket payment into a fully tax-deductible donation for 2020. In addition to the tax benefits, donations to the Badger Legacy Campaign (Option #1) earn double Donor Rank Priority Points. Other benefits are listed below:
In the event the Big Ten is able to schedule a spring volleyball season, no tickets will be sold on a season basis. Any further spring ticketing and parking information will be shared as it becomes available. Within the next 24 hours you will receive an email asking you to choose one of the options above. We anticipate that you will have questions about the Badger Legacy Campaign, so please reach out to our staff at 608-262-1440 or visit SupportTheBadgers.org.
Together we have turned Madison into America's Greatest College Town. Together we have grown the Field House into the nation's best home court advantage. Together we have won Big Ten Championships. And we know, together as Badgers, we'll emerge from this challenge stronger than ever.
On, Wisconsin!
Barry Alvarez Kelly Sheffield Director of Athletics Head Volleyball Coach
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 13, 2020 11:22:38 GMT -5
From Wisconsin VB - Hopeful for Spring VB
Dear fellow Badgers,
Tuesday was a tough day for everyone. The Big Ten's announcement of the postponement of the fall athletics season was gut-wrenching for our student-athletes, our fans and our staff.
We couldn't be more proud of how our team has handled the past few months, dealing with all the uncertainty and doing everything that was asked of them in order to try and play this fall. We feel terrible for them.
We have been looking forward to the celebration of another season, as well as the many unrivaled traditions that make match day at the Field House the best in the country. Unfortunately, we will now have to wait to experience that together.
We are greatly appreciative that 91 percent of our season ticket holders made the choice to order season tickets again this year and it disappoints us that we will not be able to provide those season tickets.
As we have shared, we are facing a critical financial crisis. With the news of our fall sports being postponed, we are forecasting a revenue shortfall in excess of $100 million.
This revenue funds the scholarships, programs and opportunities 800+ student-athletes rely on to compete and develop at the highest level. Because of your support, we have separated from our peers and surrounded our athletes with first-class coaching, facilities, academic support, nutrition, sports medicine and mental health services.
We want to ensure that we continue developing student-athletes that make us proud both on and off the court and keep the world watching when we sing Varsity together. This is an extraordinary challenge and this is why we have launched the Badger Legacy Campaign.
Without further investment from our community, the experience we love as Badgers is at risk.
We are asking you to make a financial contribution to support our student-athletes by reinvesting your season ticket payment into a fully tax-deductible donation for 2020. In addition to the tax benefits, donations to the Badger Legacy Campaign (Option #1) earn double Donor Rank Priority Points. Other benefits are listed below:
In the event the Big Ten is able to schedule a spring volleyball season, no tickets will be sold on a season basis. Any further spring ticketing and parking information will be shared as it becomes available. Within the next 24 hours you will receive an email asking you to choose one of the options above. We anticipate that you will have questions about the Badger Legacy Campaign, so please reach out to our staff at 608-262-1440 or visit SupportTheBadgers.org.
Together we have turned Madison into America's Greatest College Town. Together we have grown the Field House into the nation's best home court advantage. Together we have won Big Ten Championships. And we know, together as Badgers, we'll emerge from this challenge stronger than ever.
On, Wisconsin!
Barry Alvarez Kelly Sheffield Director of Athletics Head Volleyball Coach People should use their resources in whatever way they see fit, for me there are so many people hit so much harder by COVID than student athletes.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 13, 2020 11:25:58 GMT -5
Yes. You're very intimidating, m'Lord. Just look at those moves I have. Great feet. Great rhythm. I have some sociopathic killer dance moves. A proposal for your next opponent:
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 13, 2020 11:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 13, 2020 11:40:35 GMT -5
It appears someone figured it out in Lincoln.
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