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Post by volleav on Aug 16, 2020 21:03:32 GMT -5
I think the only thing parents/players have a right to be upset about is that they waited so long that it became impractical to transfer to the SEC and play. Whether the system is right or wrong is a completely different discussion, but the current reality is that millions of dollars could be at stake while SEC athletes play, perform well, and improve their draft stock while the Big Ten sits out. They waited as long as they could because they wanted to try and see if it was feasible. When you are making decision a regarding the health and well being of your students and community, giving kids time to transfer isn’t a priority, nor should it be. Lastly does anyone believe for a second that university presidents didn’t want to cancel?? It’s a massive financial blow for them. Nobody wanted to play more than they did. Then they should have cancelled before ever putting out a schedule. SEC schedule comes out tomorrow. Imagine on Friday then pulling the plug. Oh and interestingly enough the commissioner's son plays for the SEC and hasn't opted out. And the medical report they used as their minimal explaination has been shown to be inaccurate. Other Power 5 are playing. There was never communication with players. And the list goes on. All those are why an explaination is wanted.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 16, 2020 22:41:00 GMT -5
These decisions are made by seasoned and learned people. This type of decisions should not be left to 18-22 kids who have yet to graduate college and lack the wisdom and understanding of potential problems this will bring the schools.
I’m sure many of the players want to play but most of them are not going to be around if the sh@t hit the fan in a few years and the schools run into big financial problems. They don’t care as long as they get what they want. Schools be damn.
I hope the presidents and and the ADs hold firm. Big mistake to relent to players/parents emotional outbursts. Schools need to shoot 100% in order to succeed. One person get Covid, suffers a long term condition and the school will pay. There will be allegations of negligence, improper testing, mismanagement, etc... There are already complaints about lack of proper and timely testing now and practice really haven’t even started yet.
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 16, 2020 23:13:59 GMT -5
It's looking like commissioner Warren is backtracking on canceling the season. Based on what I am hearing he is looking for a way to have a season this fall. If this ruling is reversed they will more than likely keep players and staff away from the rest of the student population. Kind of like a bubble type situation but I guess we will see. All of that information is regarding football but I don't think they will leave out volleyball unless the coaches in the B1G decide they don't want to play this fall. Everyone might get some news regarding this situation in the next couple of days.
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 16, 2020 23:16:00 GMT -5
He updates very often regarding the B1G and he's not the only one saying this. I have a very reliable source who is saying this is in discussion as well. We will see if Warren sticks to his decision or changes it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 23:46:31 GMT -5
It's looking like commissioner Warren is backtracking on canceling the season. Based on what I am hearing he is looking for a way to have a season this fall. If this ruling is reversed they will more than likely keep players and staff away from the rest of the student population. Kind of like a bubble type situation but I guess we will see. All of that information is regarding football but I don't think they will leave out volleyball unless the coaches in the B1G decide they don't want to play this fall. Everyone might get some news regarding this situation in the next couple of days. The volleyball coaches in the B1G do not want to play in the fall. If the conference tries to pressure them, things will get interesting.
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 17, 2020 0:10:22 GMT -5
It's looking like commissioner Warren is backtracking on canceling the season. Based on what I am hearing he is looking for a way to have a season this fall. If this ruling is reversed they will more than likely keep players and staff away from the rest of the student population. Kind of like a bubble type situation but I guess we will see. All of that information is regarding football but I don't think they will leave out volleyball unless the coaches in the B1G decide they don't want to play this fall. Everyone might get some news regarding this situation in the next couple of days. The volleyball coaches in the B1G do not want to play in the fall. If the conference tries to pressure them, things will get interesting. It sure will get interesting. They are more worried about football than anything so I honestly think they will have no problem with coacges in the B1G trying for a spring season. It would take a lot of stress off their shoulders in the long run but in the case they do get some pushback and some coaches change their mind & want to play in the fall then it will get very very interesting.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 17, 2020 0:24:16 GMT -5
The only reason to play volleyball in the fall is for optics - to make the decision to play football look like it's something other that trading kids health and lives for money. That's my take on the situation based on what Sheff has said.
The vast majority of volleyball coaches aren't on board with that pressure. They don't face a problem running seasons in the depth of winter. They would like to see how the fall plays out in terms of the disease. They will have prep time. They will know if football doesn't get done that they get cancelled - ahead of time. They want vball separated from football.
To play directly after this disaster of a summer, with no real prep time and incomplete seasons and no hope of a NCAA championship - I mean, why would they want that?
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Post by brooselee on Aug 17, 2020 0:49:05 GMT -5
In order for the BIG 10 to make this work, everybody have to be willing and also have the capacity to test and test repeatedly. If OSU feel like they are safe and doing what is necessary, that is great. What if other schools does not or cannot use money and resources for constant testing, then it wouldn’t work. Some teams will do it right. Others will try to save money and use shortcuts. Very easy to spread the virus in a situation like this.
What is needed is not only a bubble but every teams having the same ability to test. Does all the teams have the ability to test and get results back in a timely matter? What if one school discovered during a mid week test that a handful of players tested positive? Does that school have the ability to retest the whole team and get the results in before the deadline? What are the plans if one team cannot participate? How will cancellations be made up? Look at the MLB Miami Marlin. Due to their team being overrun with Covid, they are only able to complete 15 games games while others have played as much games as 25 games. How is that fair in the end if Miami was to get into the play off because they have a better winning % but played 10 less games?
Schools will lose millions of dollars and waste a ton of tests if they go into this half ass and not everybody is on board.
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 17, 2020 1:15:53 GMT -5
In order for the BIG 10 to make this work, everybody have to be willing and also have the capacity to test and test repeatedly. If OSU feel like they are safe and doing what is necessary, that is great. What if other schools does not or cannot use money and resources for constant testing, then it wouldn’t work. Some teams will do it right. Others will try to save money and use shortcuts. Very easy to spread the virus in a situation like this. What is needed is not only a bubble but every teams having the same ability to test. Does all the teams have the ability to test and get results back in a timely matter? What if one school discovered during a mid week test that a handful of players tested positive? Does that school have the ability to retest the whole team and get the results in before the deadline? What are the plans if one team cannot participate? How will cancellations be made up? Look at the MLB Miami Marlin. Due to their team being overrun with Covid, they are only able to complete 15 games games while others have played as much games as 25 games. How is that fair in the end if Miami was to get into the play off because they have a better winning % but played 10 less games? Schools will lose millions of dollars and waste a ton of tests if they go into this half ass and not everybody is on board. 100% agree. If universities aren't willing to spend the time, effort & money that goes with playing this fall then I would hope they would speak up and say so instead of saying they will handle it and use shortcuts will ultimately hurt everyone in the end. As far as B1G volleyball I think most are on the same page that they would like to try for a spring season. Unfortunately it's up to the university presidents, AD, and conference leaders who make that decision. Since over half the teams have opted out and the ncaa championship has been canceled it makes it a much more convincing argument on why they wouldn't want to play in the fall.
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Post by volleav on Aug 17, 2020 7:31:32 GMT -5
In order for the BIG 10 to make this work, everybody have to be willing and also have the capacity to test and test repeatedly. If OSU feel like they are safe and doing what is necessary, that is great. What if other schools does not or cannot use money and resources for constant testing, then it wouldn’t work. Some teams will do it right. Others will try to save money and use shortcuts. Very easy to spread the virus in a situation like this. What is needed is not only a bubble but every teams having the same ability to test. Does all the teams have the ability to test and get results back in a timely matter? What if one school discovered during a mid week test that a handful of players tested positive? Does that school have the ability to retest the whole team and get the results in before the deadline? What are the plans if one team cannot participate? How will cancellations be made up? Look at the MLB Miami Marlin. Due to their team being overrun with Covid, they are only able to complete 15 games games while others have played as much games as 25 games. How is that fair in the end if Miami was to get into the play off because they have a better winning % but played 10 less games? Schools will lose millions of dollars and waste a ton of tests if they go into this half ass and not everybody is on board. First- the new test is a game changer. For athletics, colleges and general Population if it's allowed to be used there. Second- let schools opt out. If the vote truly was 8-6 then opt those out that want to and make a schedule based on those teams willing to play. I think you have to take football separately from other fall sports. Fair or not. Figure this out and make it successful and we have a much higher chance of seeing spring vball.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 17, 2020 7:58:29 GMT -5
The only reason to play volleyball in the fall is for optics - to make the decision to play football look like it's something other that trading kids health and lives for money. That's my take on the situation based on what Sheff has said. The vast majority of volleyball coaches aren't on board with that pressure. They don't face a problem running seasons in the depth of winter. They would like to see how the fall plays out in terms of the disease. They will have prep time. They will know if football doesn't get done that they get cancelled - ahead of time. They want vball separated from football. To play directly after this disaster of a summer, with no real prep time and incomplete seasons and no hope of a NCAA championship - I mean, why would they want that? Or that VB is viable in the spring assuming facilities and money (which could end up being a problem for some schools). I don't think football is viable in the Spring physically. Plus a good chunk of the players will not play - particularly those that want to go to the NFL in 2021. A team like Wisconsin would probably much rather take a chance of spring VB with a NC that includes the PAC, then play in the fall with no chance of a NC (at least one that would include the PAC). In football - Ohio State could give a rip about the PAC, but missing out on a NC that includes the SEC/ACC would be a problem for them. In addition - if the SEC/ACC/Big 12 play this fall and the B1G cancels - this could have short/intermediate impacts on recruiting. Finally, I wouldn't discount the idea that these players have dedicated much of their lives to their sport and have worked very hard to get where they are. If they cannot play - then they cannot play, but every effort should be made to try and play.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 17, 2020 9:06:38 GMT -5
If college football play vs. not play was a decision between safety and money - why are most (any) HS playing this fall? I didn't think there was that much money in HS sports?
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Post by dman on Aug 17, 2020 9:10:09 GMT -5
Just read that this "myocarditis study" that has been the new concern had a sample size of a 50 year old...much different than a 21 year old athlete. Between that and the ability to actually test for this if athletes fall ill is a big reason why the SEC decided to move forward with football.
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Post by Socleanclean on Aug 17, 2020 9:10:40 GMT -5
If college football play vs. not play was a decision between safety and money - why are most (any) HS playing this fall? I didn't think there was that much money in HS sports? Texas High School football begs to differ. They wouldn’t be building $60 million dollar stadiums if there was no money in it. There’s big money going around some high school football programs.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 17, 2020 9:16:18 GMT -5
Just read that this "myocarditis study" that has been the new concern had a sample size of a 50 year old...much different than a 21 year old athlete. Between that and the ability to actually test for this if athletes fall ill is a big reason why the SEC decided to move forward with football. That and the south is doing so well managing the virus. The SEC wasn’t going to be stopped by anything.
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