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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 10, 2020 12:14:42 GMT -5
Just announced - B1G football canceled. No football = no $ for non-revenue sports. I'll be over here in the corner crying. Yup, I've already heard about a VB team being informed their season is over.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 10, 2020 12:15:25 GMT -5
SEC apparently is trying to recruit teams to play in a fall football season. Could this also happen for volleyball? Not from the PAC12, B1G or ACC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 12:15:37 GMT -5
SEC apparently is trying to recruit teams to play in a fall football season. Could this also happen for volleyball? No. SEC FB is driven by money. They are trying to get games to save tens of millions. Volley doesn't have that same issue. Further, as the rest of the P5 shut it down, the NCAA will cancel the championship, so - beyond competing for an SEC title (in unusually expensive and hazardous conditions) what value would there be in anyone joining them?
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Post by JT on Aug 10, 2020 12:22:33 GMT -5
The problem is that, when the sh*t happened (and continues to happen), the US did -not- deal with it. After a token after that flattened the curve (almost), we pretended that it was all better at “only” 20k new cases per day. Nationally, that’s above the 5 per 100k recommendation, but we re-opened anyway, and stayed open as the number climbed to 60k cases per day. Covid-19 can be managed (most countries have shown how to do it). It cannot be ignored. If we were seeing 10-50k cases per day of Zika, Lyme, SARS, MERS, or West Nile, you can bet we’d be doing something about them, too. (Actually, we might not, and just try to pretend them away, too.) :rolleyes: As with every other virus, the longer we deal with it, the more we learn. Death rates were very high at the beginning but with lessons learned they have largely flattened out. Sure, 160K have died but 95%of them were from underlying causes, covid only hastened their departure. There is no cytokine storm being seen with this virus, certainly not to the extent which has been seen with other viruses. >40% of people who have it don't even know it until they are told they do. Yes, there are after effects for some people with lung and heart damage but has anybody ever seen a stat which applies a number to how many are actually affected after recovery? I have searched and searched an it seems to be an ancient chinese secret type of thing as all I can find are anecdotes. CDC estimates that we have only measured at a minimum of 10% of the actual cases so while that 5 million number is being tossed out there, it is more likely that at least one in ten nationally have contracted it. However, without widespread antibody testing to give us a figure, it is unknown. Boroughs in NYC which have done the antibody work have shown that up to 78% of that borough's residents had covid at one time. You are right, nothing was done at first and due to unreasonable cuts to our health departments over the past couple of years, the US was not in a position to respond efectively even if it had been taken seriously. But that was then and this is now. “That was then, and this is now.” So... where are the fast, reliable antibody tests? Where are the studies showing whether a positive antibody test confers immunity? Where are the studies investigating longer term effects? (Yes, there have been some, but they’ve been “too small” to be considered meaningful by the people who want to put masks over their eyes rather than their mouths). Where are the faster infection tests? We have a 4-10 day delay on results. Can we honestly ask 5 million (round # of people being tested per week) people to be self-quarantined while they wait for results? And shouldn’t we actually be asking the family groups to self-isolate while they wait? Where are the people -following- reimposed restrictions? For that matter, where are the reimposed restrictions (not everywhere), and where is a national mandate to help unify our response? No... instead we argue that “this is now” and we ought to have our sports, because we can’t deal with restrictions. If that was then, and this is now, we should be DOING the things that the experts say are needed to drop the transmission rate. But we aren’t. That when then, this is then, the future will be then. Just open it up because we can’t be bothered to change our behavior, listen to the experts, or even let the experts do their jobs.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 10, 2020 12:24:33 GMT -5
As with every other virus, the longer we deal with it, the more we learn. Death rates were very high at the beginning but with lessons learned they have largely flattened out. Sure, 160K have died but 95%of them were from underlying causes, covid only hastened their departure. There is no cytokine storm being seen with this virus, certainly not to the extent which has been seen with other viruses. >40% of people who have it don't even know it until they are told they do. Yes, there are after effects for some people with lung and heart damage but has anybody ever seen a stat which applies a number to how many are actually affected after recovery? I have searched and searched an it seems to be an ancient chinese secret type of thing as all I can find are anecdotes. CDC estimates that we have only measured at a minimum of 10% of the actual cases so while that 5 million number is being tossed out there, it is more likely that at least one in ten nationally have contracted it. However, without widespread antibody testing to give us a figure, it is unknown. Boroughs in NYC which have done the antibody work have shown that up to 78% of that borough's residents had covid at one time. You are right, nothing was done at first and due to unreasonable cuts to our health departments over the past couple of years, the US was not in a position to respond efectively even if it had been taken seriously. But that was then and this is now. That when then, this is then, the future will be then. Just open it up because we can’t be bothered to change our behavior, listen to the experts, or even let the experts do their jobs. Its easy to say one rely on expert advice...except when it hurts their bottom-line. That is what I notice about many aspects of this pandemic, including whether there will be volleyball this fall.
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Post by n00b on Aug 10, 2020 12:25:25 GMT -5
SEC apparently is trying to recruit teams to play in a fall football season. Could this also happen for volleyball? No. SEC FB is driven by money. They are trying to get games to save tens of millions. Volley doesn't have that same issue. Further, as the rest of the P5 shut it down, the NCAA will cancel the championship, so - beyond competing for an SEC title (in unusually expensive and hazardous conditions) what value would there be in anyone joining them? If you're the SEC, do you cancel the fall volleyball season before a spring NCAA championship is actually announced? Why create the headache of running everything in the spring if there isn't going to be an NCAA championship in either semester? Your athletes are on campus practicing. You're convinced you can safely run a season this fall. I'd want that championship officially on the books before I make the move.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 10, 2020 12:26:40 GMT -5
No. SEC FB is driven by money. They are trying to get games to save tens of millions. Volley doesn't have that same issue. Further, as the rest of the P5 shut it down, the NCAA will cancel the championship, so - beyond competing for an SEC title (in unusually expensive and hazardous conditions) what value would there be in anyone joining them? If you're the SEC, do you cancel the fall volleyball season before a spring NCAA championship is actually announced? Why create the headache of running everything in the spring if there isn't going to be an NCAA championship in either semester? Your athletes are on campus practicing. You're convinced you can safely run a season this fall. I'd want that championship officially on the books before I make the move. If there is no Fall championship, what are you waiting for?
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 10, 2020 12:33:16 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on Aug 10, 2020 12:34:38 GMT -5
If you're the SEC, do you cancel the fall volleyball season before a spring NCAA championship is actually announced? Why create the headache of running everything in the spring if there isn't going to be an NCAA championship in either semester? Your athletes are on campus practicing. You're convinced you can safely run a season this fall. I'd want that championship officially on the books before I make the move. If there is no Fall championship, what are you waiting for? If there's no spring championship, what are you postponing for?
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Post by staticb on Aug 10, 2020 12:35:53 GMT -5
Could we see the AVCA stepping into have some sort of championship in the spring if the NCAA won't?
Ohio State has the men's vball championship--could we just combine both?
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 10, 2020 12:41:26 GMT -5
The problem is that, when the sh*t happened (and continues to happen), the US did -not- deal with it. After a token after that flattened the curve (almost), we pretended that it was all better at “only” 20k new cases per day. Nationally, that’s above the 5 per 100k recommendation, but we re-opened anyway, and stayed open as the number climbed to 60k cases per day. Covid-19 can be managed (most countries have shown how to do it). It cannot be ignored. If we were seeing 10-50k cases per day of Zika, Lyme, SARS, MERS, or West Nile, you can bet we’d be doing something about them, too. (Actually, we might not, and just try to pretend them away, too.) :rolleyes: As with every other virus, the longer we deal with it, the more we learn. Death rates were very high at the beginning but with lessons learned they have largely flattened out. Sure, 160K have died but 95%of them were from underlying causes, covid only hastened their departure. There is no cytokine storm being seen with this virus, certainly not to the extent which has been seen with other viruses. >40% of people who have it don't even know it until they are told they do. Yes, there are after effects for some people with lung and heart damage but has anybody ever seen a stat which applies a number to how many are actually affected after recovery? I have searched and searched an it seems to be an ancient chinese secret type of thing as all I can find are anecdotes. CDC estimates that we have only measured at a minimum of 10% of the actual cases so while that 5 million number is being tossed out there, it is more likely that at least one in ten nationally have contracted it. However, without widespread antibody testing to give us a figure, it is unknown. Boroughs in NYC which have done the antibody work have shown that up to 78% of that borough's residents had covid at one time. You are right, nothing was done at first and due to unreasonable cuts to our health departments over the past couple of years, the US was not in a position to respond efectively even if it had been taken seriously. But that was then and this is now. Bucky, I know it's frustrating, but the universities are making these decisions with some of the best medical minds in the country at the table. They are intimately aware of the various interests. We don't have perfect information, but they have more at their disposal than you and I. I hope they will make wise decisions, but it's hard with everyone worrying and yelling and information constantly moving. I will say that number for NYC only relates to very specific communities like Elmhurst or Jackson Heights in Queens, parts of Brownsville and Bed Stuy in Brooklyn, parts of the lower interior Bronx. That's a small proportion of the city. Other neighborhoods have had much lower incidence - below 10%. We're doing great right now, largely because people are being very cautious. They don't want to go back to constant ambulance sirens. It could easily happen this winter.
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Post by Not Me on Aug 10, 2020 12:43:14 GMT -5
Pac-12 will also announce by tomorrow.
Big-12 and ACC will follow shortly after.
Maybe the AAC can finally move up out of the 6th spot. They can just play with the SEC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 12:43:34 GMT -5
No. SEC FB is driven by money. They are trying to get games to save tens of millions. Volley doesn't have that same issue. Further, as the rest of the P5 shut it down, the NCAA will cancel the championship, so - beyond competing for an SEC title (in unusually expensive and hazardous conditions) what value would there be in anyone joining them? If you're the SEC, do you cancel the fall volleyball season before a spring NCAA championship is actually announced? Why create the headache of running everything in the spring if there isn't going to be an NCAA championship in either semester? Your athletes are on campus practicing. You're convinced you can safely run a season this fall. I'd want that championship officially on the books before I make the move. No one, NO ONE AT ALL, is convinced they can run a season this fall. The ONLY reason they were attempting it is because of the revenue generated by football programs. I'm amazed I have to state that at this stage.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 10, 2020 12:49:51 GMT -5
If there is no Fall championship, what are you waiting for? If there's no spring championship, what are you postponing for? For the obvious reason that there are still many months left to make a final decision for Spring, but the decision to short-circuit the Fall season needed to be made now. What is the benefit of making a decision before you have to? There are a lot of ramifications both in holding and not holding a Spring championship. There is no rush to make a decision right now, so spend the time figuring out how to handle scheduling, eligibility, scholarship counts, carrying over seniors into Fall of 2021, etc. Zero reason to make a decision prior to working all of that out.
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Post by n00b on Aug 10, 2020 12:50:06 GMT -5
If you're the SEC, do you cancel the fall volleyball season before a spring NCAA championship is actually announced? Why create the headache of running everything in the spring if there isn't going to be an NCAA championship in either semester? Your athletes are on campus practicing. You're convinced you can safely run a season this fall. I'd want that championship officially on the books before I make the move. No one, NO ONE AT ALL, is convinced they can run a season this fall. The ONLY reason they were attempting it is because of the revenue generated by football programs. I'm amazed I have to state that at this stage. True. And maybe 'convinced' was too strong of a word. But if there is an SEC schedule and neither school is experiencing a COVID outbreak, the SEC might still want to play those matches if they're playing football. If and when legislation is approved about a spring championship, then you can pivot.
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