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Post by hammer on Aug 10, 2020 18:23:40 GMT -5
Anyone wonder how many coaches might take this time to get out of the game? Move to something more traditional? Maybe open up a take-out pizza business. Specialty pizzas could be named "The Dig", "Jam Shot", and "Jump Float". RV sales people are doing very well also -- B1G Commissions!
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Post by n00b on Aug 10, 2020 18:42:01 GMT -5
They can move to club volleyball. Those checks will still be there. Will they? I'm having doubts that anyone can pull their heads from their arse to figure out how anything moves forward without seriously being messed up at this point. There was a 300-team club tournament in Orlando last month. Where the market and individual choice drives decisions, volleyball will be played. In places that high school volleyball is cancelled this fall, there will be a lot of money to be made in clinics and private lessons.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 10, 2020 19:04:47 GMT -5
What is the unemployment rate going to be for coaches this year and next. I have a rough guess...its looks very ugly, but maybe you have a better idea.
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Post by hammer on Aug 10, 2020 21:16:06 GMT -5
What is the unemployment rate going to be for coaches this year and next. I have a rough guess...its looks very ugly, but maybe you have a better idea. 43%
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 10, 2020 21:45:57 GMT -5
This might pertains more to high school than college, but some coaches are also licensed teachers in an academic subject, if so, they can still sort of teach, online if necessary.
Or are coaches going to become Uber drivers to earn some desperate cash on the side? Or Amazon delivery workers?
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 11, 2020 10:20:54 GMT -5
Will they? I'm having doubts that anyone can pull their heads from their arse to figure out how anything moves forward without seriously being messed up at this point. There was a 300-team club tournament in Orlando last month. Where the market and individual choice drives decisions, volleyball will be played. In places that high school volleyball is cancelled this fall, there will be a lot of money to be made in clinics and private lessons. One 4 team pool is probably 60 people with refs? Plus parents could you do a 14's pool with less than 100 people in the room? Many states won't let more than 25 or 50 people in a room. And if indoor dining is not available, or even if restaurants are capped at 25% capacity, feeding a tournament's worth of teams becomes a problem in the colder parts of the country. And then you have the 14 day quarantines where tournaments won't be able to accept teams from certain statesw without Stay to Play showing 14 days of room rentals before the tournament. Club ball is going to get complicated and I have to think that some organizations are just going to take the year off. At some point I think even coaching club become more trouble than it's worth.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 11, 2020 10:26:31 GMT -5
This might pertains more to high school than college, but some coaches are also licensed teachers in an academic subject, if so, they can still sort of teach, online if necessary. Or are coaches going to become Uber drivers to earn some desperate cash on the side? Or Amazon delivery workers? I haven’t heard the phrase “might pertains” in a long time. On TV in the 1970s, I think.
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Post by n00b on Aug 11, 2020 10:28:04 GMT -5
There was a 300-team club tournament in Orlando last month. Where the market and individual choice drives decisions, volleyball will be played. In places that high school volleyball is cancelled this fall, there will be a lot of money to be made in clinics and private lessons. One 4 team pool is probably 60 people with refs? Plus parents could you do a 14's pool with less than 100 people in the room? Many states won't let more than 25 or 50 people in a room. And if indoor dining is not available, or even if restaurants are capped at 25% capacity, feeding a tournament's worth of teams becomes a problem in the colder parts of the country. And then you have the 14 day quarantines where tournaments won't be able to accept teams from certain statesw without Stay to Play showing 14 days of room rentals before the tournament. Club ball is going to get complicated and I have to think that some organizations are just going to take the year off. At some point I think even coaching club become more trouble than it's worth. Would you be ok with taking a year off your job and taking no salary because things are more complicated this year? I wouldn't.
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Post by oldmanred on Aug 11, 2020 10:29:15 GMT -5
Maybe we could change the games a little: so there is a 6' social distancing and still have sports this season! Oh; and wear your masks!😷
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 11, 2020 10:45:58 GMT -5
What is the unemployment rate going to be for coaches this year and next. I have a rough guess...its looks very ugly, but maybe you have a better idea. There are 1400 or so college volleyball teams, right? Is it ridiculous to think that 20 schools close or drop volleyball in the next year? 50 schools? 100 schools? So whatever you think that number is they've all got at least 2 coaches, though many may be part-time. Does D1 see a cut back in the number of technical coordinators and Dir of Ops positions? Are there fewer GA's or do more schools replace their 2nd assistant with a GA? Will FT positions go part-time? I think the AVCA Convention attendance will certainly get a bit smaller.
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Post by BitterOldDude on Aug 11, 2020 10:46:25 GMT -5
Quick moment of frankness here amongst the levity.
I'm weeks away from being at retirement age, although before COVID, I had no plans to retire for many years. Am I going to be furloughed if we go to remote only? Yes. Is that likely to happen? Yes, because there is no way in the universe 20-year-olds will submit to no masks and social distancing guidelines. Our college, like many others, will develop hotspots of infection, and everybody will get sent home. Count on it.
On the other hand, if we continue with on-campus instruction, am I safe? After all, I'm at the prime age to get this vile disease and die from it. I've often joked that volleyball would kill me, but this isn't what I meant.
Furlough is interesting. I lose my email access, and am told I'm not allowed to do any work at all. Do I continue to recruit '21's? For free? How many of my current team never return? Lots of unanswerable questions.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 11, 2020 10:47:08 GMT -5
One 4 team pool is probably 60 people with refs? Plus parents could you do a 14's pool with less than 100 people in the room? Many states won't let more than 25 or 50 people in a room. And if indoor dining is not available, or even if restaurants are capped at 25% capacity, feeding a tournament's worth of teams becomes a problem in the colder parts of the country. And then you have the 14 day quarantines where tournaments won't be able to accept teams from certain statesw without Stay to Play showing 14 days of room rentals before the tournament. Club ball is going to get complicated and I have to think that some organizations are just going to take the year off. At some point I think even coaching club become more trouble than it's worth. Would you be ok with taking a year off your job and taking no salary because things are more complicated this year? I wouldn't. Most club coaches are making 4 figures. I'm sure the ones making 6 figures are more motivated, you are right.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 11, 2020 11:01:15 GMT -5
Would you be ok with taking a year off your job and taking no salary because things are more complicated this year? I wouldn't. Most club coaches are making 4 figures. I'm sure the ones making 6 figures are more motivated, you are right. What do you mean "making". That is just money coming in, the money going out are usually about an order of magnitude lower, so that would put the actual "salary" at 3 figures.
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Post by n00b on Aug 11, 2020 11:06:46 GMT -5
Most club coaches are making 4 figures. I'm sure the ones making 6 figures are more motivated, you are right. What do you mean "making". That is just money coming in, the money going out are usually about an order of magnitude lower, so that would put the actual "salary" at 3 figures. Definitely true. But if you're a former college coach who gets laid off (where this discussion started), you can grind out private/group lessons and make some good money.
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Post by staticb on Aug 11, 2020 11:12:01 GMT -5
I believe strongly that a flood of coaches will leave the sport as soon as the checks stop clearing... They can move to club volleyball. Those checks will still be there. I'm seeing a lot more club vball coaches quit/move onto other things than anything else. Unless you run the club or really high up on the food chain, you're not making much.
I feel like there's generally high turnover in coaching anyway--a lot will leave, but if things ever pick up again, there will be no shortages of people to fill in spots.
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