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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 10:39:40 GMT -5
Thanksgiving is traditionally a big football weekend, but especially in college football it is usually a weekend of a lot of (in-state or border state) rivalry games. Trying to capture a piece of that, might be meaningful. So Ohio state would start their "season" with the Michigan game? Then what? A fruit basket from Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma & Notre Dame saying sorry we won't see you playing in the semi finals? So? They wouldn’t be in the CFP anyway. Then I don’t see how it’s worse to try to capture a piece of the big Thanksgiving weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 12:02:34 GMT -5
So Ohio state would start their "season" with the Michigan game? Then what? A fruit basket from Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma & Notre Dame saying sorry we won't see you playing in the semi finals? So? They wouldn’t be in the CFP anyway. Then I don’t see how it’s worse to try to capture a piece of the big Thanksgiving weekend. Why wouldn't they be? They were last year, and if not for peeing down their leg would have played for the title. They are also one of 4 schools to have won the thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 12:06:56 GMT -5
The king doesn’t have better things to do with his time during a pandemic, social unrest, unemployment........? The presidents of those fine universities are more than qualified to make the decisions in the best interest of their universities. No, he doesn't. A quick look at the 2016 election map clearly shows that for the next 2+ months the PAC12 colored states are worth a fundraising trip but no other mention, The majority of SEC colored states are for rallys, while the B1G striped states (which coincidentally also includes SE SEC) will be pandered to non-stop. This is why I have unplugged my television and I keep the radio off for the time being. Being in a swing state is the absolute worst for enjoying life.
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Post by n00b on Sept 2, 2020 12:14:17 GMT -5
Oct. 10 to start football season could just mean practice, and then games start 6ish weeks later, around Thanksgiving. Maybe everyone's right? So, perhaps in regard to Oct. 10 ... we're talking about practice. Not a game. Practice. We're talking about practice. Oct 10 puts a viable shot at a National Championship or BCS bowl contention. Thanksgiving does not. Totally pointless to play starting at Thanksgiving. 4-week single-elimination Big Ten football tournament. You can start on Thanksgiving and still have a champion in time for the New Years bowls and CFP. (This is not actually being considered, but I would absolutely tune in)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 12:21:17 GMT -5
So? They wouldn’t be in the CFP anyway. Then I don’t see how it’s worse to try to capture a piece of the big Thanksgiving weekend. Why wouldn't they be? They were last year, and if not for peeing down their leg would have played for the title. They are also one of 4 schools to have won the thing. No, the context of what I was replying to was Big Ten start dates ranging from Thanksgiving to Jan. In all of those cases, the Big Ten won’t be eligible for the CFP. I’m not going to entertain scenarios with start dates earlier than that, myself, as they aren’t on the table.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 12:28:23 GMT -5
Ahhh. I see. And, I think at this point a start date in October of any kind for football is a tough task to pull off. They would have to be in training camps basically today.
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Post by volleav on Sept 2, 2020 13:46:22 GMT -5
Ahhh. I see. And, I think at this point a start date in October of any kind for football is a tough task to pull off. They would have to be in training camps basically today. I am pretty sure most are using their 12 hour limit right now. If they started back next week an Oct 10 start date would be feasible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 14:57:10 GMT -5
To follow-up on the discussion of October 10, Dan Patrick added some meat to the tweet that caused all of this ruckus. As was mentioned above, October 10 is what coaches/ADs are thinking would need to happen in order to qualify for the playoff. Maybe you have some wiggle room to October 17. Who knows.
What we had all along are a bunch of non-decision makers grumbling about the decisions of those in a position to actually make decisions and trying to brow beat them into making different decisions. I get it. I really do. We also have a group of decision makers who don't seem to have to be held accountable for their votes and decisions and probably made their decision too quickly.
All of that said: As the Pac-12 managed to do, you can readily justify postponing a season during a pandemic pretty easily if they only put forth the effort to adequately explain their decision. And, I agreed with the decision at the time. I am less convinced today.
The SEC is going to play come hell or high water. That also seems true of Notre Dame, the ACC and Big 12. If they have not stopped now, they aren't going to unless a swarm of locusts follows the plague. While the B1G and PAC may still look like the smart ones in this, right now they look like the dumb ones for their decision. And, grossly incompetent in their PR related to it.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Sept 2, 2020 16:20:31 GMT -5
To follow-up on the discussion of October 10, Dan Patrick added some meat to the tweet that caused all of this ruckus. As was mentioned above, October 10 is what coaches/ADs are thinking would need to happen in order to qualify for the playoff. Maybe you have some wiggle room to October 17. Who knows. What we had all along are a bunch of non-decision makers grumbling about the decisions of those in a position to actually make decisions and trying to brow beat them into making different decisions. I get it. I really do. We also have a group of decision makers who don't seem to have to be held accountable for their votes and decisions and probably made their decision too quickly. All of that said: As the Pac-12 managed to do, you can readily justify postponing a season during a pandemic pretty easily if they only put forth the effort to adequately explain their decision. And, I agreed with the decision at the time. I am less convinced today. The SEC is going to play come hell or high water. That also seems true of Notre Dame, the ACC and Big 12. If they have not stopped now, they aren't going to unless a swarm of locusts follows the plague. While the B1G and PAC may still look like the smart ones in this, right now they look like the dumb ones for their decision. And, grossly incompetent in their PR related to it. Did you feel the decision really needed an explanation? I certainly didn’t need one, the reasons couldn’t have been more obvious.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 2, 2020 17:58:08 GMT -5
To follow-up on the discussion of October 10, Dan Patrick added some meat to the tweet that caused all of this ruckus. As was mentioned above, October 10 is what coaches/ADs are thinking would need to happen in order to qualify for the playoff. Maybe you have some wiggle room to October 17. Who knows. What we had all along are a bunch of non-decision makers grumbling about the decisions of those in a position to actually make decisions and trying to brow beat them into making different decisions. I get it. I really do. We also have a group of decision makers who don't seem to have to be held accountable for their votes and decisions and probably made their decision too quickly. All of that said: As the Pac-12 managed to do, you can readily justify postponing a season during a pandemic pretty easily if they only put forth the effort to adequately explain their decision. And, I agreed with the decision at the time. I am less convinced today. The SEC is going to play come hell or high water. That also seems true of Notre Dame, the ACC and Big 12. If they have not stopped now, they aren't going to unless a swarm of locusts follows the plague. While the B1G and PAC may still look like the smart ones in this, right now they look like the dumb ones for their decision. And, grossly incompetent in their PR related to it. Yeah, I agree for the most part. The one thing I'd add is that a big part of the problem that the Big 10 has is that they seem to have made this decision without getting the "non-decision makers" (i.e. the players and especially the coaches, who likely have more sway on public opinion than the presidents do) on board. The Pac-12 seems to have handled this better because I don't recall seeing a litany of their highest-profile coaches openly pushing back the way I did in the Big 10. I also think that the Pac-12's relative irrelevance in football helped to mute any backlash toward their decision, especially since the Big 10 went first.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 19:55:09 GMT -5
To follow-up on the discussion of October 10, Dan Patrick added some meat to the tweet that caused all of this ruckus. As was mentioned above, October 10 is what coaches/ADs are thinking would need to happen in order to qualify for the playoff. Maybe you have some wiggle room to October 17. Who knows. What we had all along are a bunch of non-decision makers grumbling about the decisions of those in a position to actually make decisions and trying to brow beat them into making different decisions. I get it. I really do. We also have a group of decision makers who don't seem to have to be held accountable for their votes and decisions and probably made their decision too quickly. All of that said: As the Pac-12 managed to do, you can readily justify postponing a season during a pandemic pretty easily if they only put forth the effort to adequately explain their decision. And, I agreed with the decision at the time. I am less convinced today. The SEC is going to play come hell or high water. That also seems true of Notre Dame, the ACC and Big 12. If they have not stopped now, they aren't going to unless a swarm of locusts follows the plague. While the B1G and PAC may still look like the smart ones in this, right now they look like the dumb ones for their decision. And, grossly incompetent in their PR related to it. Did you feel the decision really needed an explanation? I certainly didn’t need one, the reasons couldn’t have been more obvious. No, I did not. But, if you are going to make a massive decision that impacts the lives of thousands of people directly, from coaches to players to people who work for athletics departments or whose livelihood depends upon football games, you better damn well give a well-justified reason for it and be able to answer questions when they are posed to you. We all know we are in a pandemic. That is also true for the other conferences and the NFL. Why wouldnt people ask questions and raise hell when the B1G is in the minority among power 5 conferences so far?
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Post by HappyVolley on Sept 2, 2020 22:05:17 GMT -5
Word is coming out of Ohio State sports media that the B1G could "re-vote" as early as Friday.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Sept 2, 2020 22:51:29 GMT -5
Did you feel the decision really needed an explanation? I certainly didn’t need one, the reasons couldn’t have been more obvious. No, I did not. But, if you are going to make a massive decision that impacts the lives of thousands of people directly, from coaches to players to people who work for athletics departments or whose livelihood depends upon football games, you better damn well give a well-justified reason for it and be able to answer questions when they are posed to you. We all know we are in a pandemic. That is also true for the other conferences and the NFL. Why wouldnt people ask questions and raise hell when the B1G is in the minority among power 5 conferences so far? I read the release sent out which stated exactly why they shut it down, the questions anyone would ask are the same questions that have been asked and answered 50 times a day for nearly 6 months on every station in America. I can see not liking the season being shut down, but not understanding why??
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Post by vb8084 on Sept 3, 2020 7:57:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 8:37:52 GMT -5
Word is coming out of Ohio State sports media that the B1G could "re-vote" as early as Friday. This seems to be hearsay, at this point. Trying to sell subscriptions to Bucknuts (a pay service for "inside" info), or get more followers on Twitter.
I don't believe it, myself. But, I've certainly been wrong before and will be wrong again in the future.
The thing for me that seems suspicious: what has changed so drastically since the original 11-3 vote, that is going to cause 5 or 6 of those "no" votes to switch??
Let's even say that Trump promised to Warren to take care of the entire bill for all testing at the universities this school year. Which would be a significant chunk of change, no doubt. I'm not sure that still does it, but it could be the "excuse" that provides cover to switch a vote, I guess.
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