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Post by eazy on Sept 4, 2020 17:35:42 GMT -5
Normally the freshman that come early for the spring get to play in spring competitions without using a year of eligibility. Not letting them play in the spring will rob them of those early competitions that they would normally get. I say let them participate in four matches in the spring. 1) How many high school seniors are going to graduate early and miss out on their final high school and/or club seasons to go to COVID hotspots? 2) Normally those spring matches would have no impact on potential championships. 3) Normally they wouldn’t be taking meaningful playing time away from players that lost their fall season. 4) Normally doesn’t really count for anything in a Covid world.
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Post by bluecollar on Sept 4, 2020 22:24:15 GMT -5
Normally the freshman that come early for the spring get to play in spring competitions without using a year of eligibility. Not letting them play in the spring will rob them of those early competitions that they would normally get. I say let them participate in four matches in the spring. 1) How many high school seniors are going to graduate early and miss out on their final high school and/or club seasons to go to COVID hotspots? 2) Normally those spring matches would have no impact on potential championships. 3) Normally they wouldn’t be taking meaningful playing time away from players that lost their fall season. 4) Normally doesn’t really count for anything in a Covid world. You might be surprised how many high school seniors are ready to enroll early. They may be spending their senior year of high school learning virtually. Their senior year is so not normal why not go to college early? Right now a spring season that counts for something is still up in the air. I think at best a lot of people are expecting a shortened season with maybe a limited Championship Tournament. For most schools it will not be a typical season that counts for much. If nothing else it will be interesting to see how the NCAA handles all of this.
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Post by n00b on Sept 4, 2020 22:29:02 GMT -5
I don’t understand how the ‘no transfers’ piece works. If an athlete graduates in December but can’t get into their current school’s graduate program, does that mean they simply can’t play?
Or if a school has a few seniors who choose to graduate in December and end their collegiate career, there is absolutely no way for the program to replace them?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 9:30:45 GMT -5
I don’t understand how the ‘no transfers’ piece works. If an athlete graduates in December but can’t get into their current school’s graduate program, does that mean they simply can’t play? Or if a school has a few seniors who choose to graduate in December and end their collegiate career, there is absolutely no way for the program to replace them? I just think your two scenarios are highly unlikely. I'm sure the school can pull some strings and get them into a "general" graduate studies program, at the least. And if the athlete wants to continue playing ... well, obviously, you wouldn't choose to end your status as a student at the school. There is no rule about taking more credits than you need to graduate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 9:35:32 GMT -5
I don’t understand how the ‘no transfers’ piece works. If an athlete graduates in December but can’t get into their current school’s graduate program, does that mean they simply can’t play? Or if a school has a few seniors who choose to graduate in December and end their collegiate career, there is absolutely no way for the program to replace them? Transfers, so long as they were academically eligible for fall and are enrolled at their school of choice for spring, will be able to compete. Even if they graduated in December and transferred for spring. There are also provisions, outlined in the updated NCAA FAQ, which give players who were set to graduate in December more flexibility to delay their graduation, remain eligible and play in the spring.
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Post by n00b on Sept 5, 2020 10:34:10 GMT -5
I don’t understand how the ‘no transfers’ piece works. If an athlete graduates in December but can’t get into their current school’s graduate program, does that mean they simply can’t play? Or if a school has a few seniors who choose to graduate in December and end their collegiate career, there is absolutely no way for the program to replace them? Transfers, so long as they were academically eligible for fall and are enrolled at their school of choice for spring, will be able to compete. Even if they graduated in December and transferred for spring. There are also provisions, outlined in the updated NCAA FAQ, which give players who were set to graduate in December more flexibility to delay their graduation, remain eligible and play in the spring. Right. This is what I would think as well. That was in reference to the earlier post about the football oversight committee not recommending transfers.
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Post by kimdc on Sept 7, 2020 1:51:19 GMT -5
The NCAA DI Council will meet on 9/16 at 1PM ET to make recommendations regarding spring competition for fall sports, including WVB. Given that these recommendations are typically adopted by the Board, this is the next important meeting in the process of spring college volleyball. The rumor I'm hearing, and I'll stress it is only a rumor, is that they will propose a WVB season that runs from February to April and culminates in a truncated tournament. The Pac-12 will soon be able to provide its student-athletes with daily coronavirus testing after entering into a deal with Quidel Corporation, a manufacturer of FDA-approved rapid tests for a number of medical conditions. Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott called the development a "game-changer" and said the availability of rapid testing will allow the conference to consider resuming competitive activities before Jan. 1, 2021. Scott didn't provide a firm timeline for how it will impact the conference's return to play because of other to-be-determined variables. www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29804035/pac-12-partnership-allow-daily-covid-19-testing-athletesIf football happens before Jan 2021...............why not volleyball? One thing to keep in mind is that the particular company that the Pac-12 is contracting with is not contracting with anyone else. Their CEO said they don't even have the manufacturing capacity to do so right now. They might be able to work with more schools in a few months, but he didn't even sound sure about that. That means that others who might want to get into this game need to find other companies who have similar products. It also means that they need to have the money to do so. These companies aren't providing the testing machines for free. Smaller schools probably don't have that money. I think the Pac-12 will use this to move basketball back into 2020, but will probably hold back on football and WVB until after January. They still have to get California and Oregon to let football teams practice before they can think about playing.
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Post by caz on Sept 8, 2020 14:26:44 GMT -5
the Competition Oversight Committee is recommending 25% field size reductions across the board for the Division I fall sports - not quite as severe as the 50% reduction that was on the table. The 48-team volleyball bracket would maintain all 32 AQs and halve the at-large bids from 32 to 16. They plan on the last weekend in April for the finals - whether that's the semifinals/championship or bringing 8 teams to the final site, I don't know.
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Post by volleav on Sept 8, 2020 14:27:39 GMT -5
the Competition Oversight Committee is recommending 25% field size reductions across the board for the Division I fall sports - not quite as severe as the 50% reduction that was on the table. The 48-team volleyball bracket would maintain all 32 AQs and halve the at-large bids from 32 to 16. They plan on the last weekend in April for the finals - whether that's the semifinals/championship or bringing 8 teams to the final site, I don't know. When would the season start?
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Post by trojansc on Sept 8, 2020 14:36:11 GMT -5
the Competition Oversight Committee is recommending 25% field size reductions across the board for the Division I fall sports - not quite as severe as the 50% reduction that was on the table. The 48-team volleyball bracket would maintain all 32 AQs and halve the at-large bids from 32 to 16. They plan on the last weekend in April for the finals - whether that's the semifinals/championship or bringing 8 teams to the final site, I don't know. Could be intense competition for the at larges. I’m not convinced all the conferences will play in the Spring.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 14:47:37 GMT -5
1) How many high school seniors are going to graduate early and miss out on their final high school and/or club seasons to go to COVID hotspots? 2) Normally those spring matches would have no impact on potential championships. 3) Normally they wouldn’t be taking meaningful playing time away from players that lost their fall season. 4) Normally doesn’t really count for anything in a Covid world. You might be surprised how many high school seniors are ready to enroll early. They may be spending their senior year of high school learning virtually. Their senior year is so not normal why not go to college early? Right now a spring season that counts for something is still up in the air. I think at best a lot of people are expecting a shortened season with maybe a limited Championship Tournament. For most schools it will not be a typical season that counts for much. If nothing else it will be interesting to see how the NCAA handles all of this. You are suggesting rules be made to accommodate what, 5% (that is very high IMHO) of HS seniors who want to enroll early? I don't see the point of adding that variable to an already massively complex issue. As for why NOT to go early? My understanding is early enrollment is not covered by scholarships.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 15:07:16 GMT -5
the Competition Oversight Committee is recommending 25% field size reductions across the board for the Division I fall sports - not quite as severe as the 50% reduction that was on the table. The 48-team volleyball bracket would maintain all 32 AQs and halve the at-large bids from 32 to 16. They plan on the last weekend in April for the finals - whether that's the semifinals/championship or bringing 8 teams to the final site, I don't know. When would the season start? I told you in the OP. Current proposal is looking at a Feb start for the season and an April tournament.
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Post by volleav on Sept 8, 2020 15:09:11 GMT -5
When would the season start? I told you in the OP. Current proposal is looking at a Feb start for the season and an April tournament. Sorry I thought maybe it changed with this info since the original post.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 15:13:41 GMT -5
I told you in the OP. Current proposal is looking at a Feb start for the season and an April tournament. Sorry I thought maybe it changed with this info since the original post. As I mentioned in the third post, all of the different sports are interconnected, so radical changes will require adjusting everything. While stranger things have happened in the last 6 months, I think it's now more likely than not that the Feb-April WVB season is the proposal that is made next week.
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Post by volleynerdmw on Sept 8, 2020 15:37:22 GMT -5
1) How many high school seniors are going to graduate early and miss out on their final high school and/or club seasons to go to COVID hotspots? 2) Normally those spring matches would have no impact on potential championships. 3) Normally they wouldn’t be taking meaningful playing time away from players that lost their fall season. 4) Normally doesn’t really count for anything in a Covid world. You might be surprised how many high school seniors are ready to enroll early. They may be spending their senior year of high school learning virtually. Their senior year is so not normal why not go to college early? Right now a spring season that counts for something is still up in the air. I think at best a lot of people are expecting a shortened season with maybe a limited Championship Tournament. For most schools it will not be a typical season that counts for much. If nothing else it will be interesting to see how the NCAA handles all of this. I have been told by a family who has a daughter in this situation in our club that spring enrollees will be able to participate and play in matches and it will not count against their 4 years, since none of this academic year doesn't counts against anyone's eligibility who is participating in a fall sport.
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