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Post by stevehorn on Sept 8, 2020 15:38:32 GMT -5
Transfers, so long as they were academically eligible for fall and are enrolled at their school of choice for spring, will be able to compete. Even if they graduated in December and transferred for spring. There are also provisions, outlined in the updated NCAA FAQ, which give players who were set to graduate in December more flexibility to delay their graduation, remain eligible and play in the spring. Right. This is what I would think as well. That was in reference to the earlier post about the football oversight committee not recommending transfers. Actually the rules already exist that allow a graduate to finish their eligibility after graduation and take undergraduate courses. Been done for years though the usual circumstance is a 5th year player that already graduated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 16:17:16 GMT -5
You might be surprised how many high school seniors are ready to enroll early. They may be spending their senior year of high school learning virtually. Their senior year is so not normal why not go to college early? Right now a spring season that counts for something is still up in the air. I think at best a lot of people are expecting a shortened season with maybe a limited Championship Tournament. For most schools it will not be a typical season that counts for much. If nothing else it will be interesting to see how the NCAA handles all of this. I have been told by a family who has a daughter in this situation in our club that spring enrollees will be able to participate and play in matches and it will not count against their 4 years, since none of this academic year doesn't counts against anyone's eligibility who is participating in a fall sport. Unless that family happens to be in possession of a time-machine, they can't possibly know that. There may be a recommendation from the council next Wednesday but, from what I've heard, it isn't a popular idea.
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Post by volleav on Sept 8, 2020 17:10:16 GMT -5
You might be surprised how many high school seniors are ready to enroll early. They may be spending their senior year of high school learning virtually. Their senior year is so not normal why not go to college early? Right now a spring season that counts for something is still up in the air. I think at best a lot of people are expecting a shortened season with maybe a limited Championship Tournament. For most schools it will not be a typical season that counts for much. If nothing else it will be interesting to see how the NCAA handles all of this. I have been told by a family who has a daughter in this situation in our club that spring enrollees will be able to participate and play in matches and it will not count against their 4 years, since none of this academic year doesn't counts against anyone's eligibility who is participating in a fall sport. I have heard that compliance has honestly no clue what the rules will be for early enrollees. That is TBD.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 8, 2020 17:34:19 GMT -5
I have been told by a family who has a daughter in this situation in our club that spring enrollees will be able to participate and play in matches and it will not count against their 4 years, since none of this academic year doesn't counts against anyone's eligibility who is participating in a fall sport. Unless that family happens to be in possession of a time-machine, they can't possibly know that. There may be a recommendation from the council next Wednesday but, from what I've heard, it isn't a popular idea. Before they worry about playing, spring enrollees might ought to worry about whether they have a scholarship in the spring. Haven't heard anything that indicates the scholarship limit will be waved this academic year (it has for next year). In many cases, the senior that was graduating this fall to open up a spring ship for an early enrollee will still be in school and playing this spring.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 10:15:20 GMT -5
I have been told by a family who has a daughter in this situation in our club that spring enrollees will be able to participate and play in matches and it will not count against their 4 years, since none of this academic year doesn't counts against anyone's eligibility who is participating in a fall sport. Unless that family happens to be in possession of a time-machine, they can't possibly know that. There may be a recommendation from the council next Wednesday but, from what I've heard, it isn't a popular idea. The NCAA did approve and announce in August that all fall sports athletes would automatically get an additional year of eligibility.
No idea if that only applies only to athletes who enroll no later than Fall 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 10:16:46 GMT -5
Unless that family happens to be in possession of a time-machine, they can't possibly know that. There may be a recommendation from the council next Wednesday but, from what I've heard, it isn't a popular idea. Before they worry about playing, spring enrollees might ought to worry about whether they have a scholarship in the spring. Haven't heard anything that indicates the scholarship limit will be waved this academic year (it has for next year). In many cases, the senior that was graduating this fall to open up a spring ship for an early enrollee will still be in school and playing this spring. No way they're being changed for this school year. To me the much bigger issue will be that all these athletes now have an extra year of eligibility, and I suspect they're not going to allow schools to take on more scholarships to accommodate them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 10:22:55 GMT -5
Unless that family happens to be in possession of a time-machine, they can't possibly know that. There may be a recommendation from the council next Wednesday but, from what I've heard, it isn't a popular idea. The NCAA did approve and announce in August that all fall sports athletes would automatically get an additional year of eligibility.
No idea if that only applies only to athletes who enroll no later than Fall 2020.
It applies to athletes who were eligible for fall competition, per the NCAA FAQ, which was updated in August. Spring enrollees were obviously not eligible to compete in fall 2020. If they are permitted to do so, it will require a new waiver. Last I heard, there was not strong support to grant one.
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Post by horns1 on Sept 9, 2020 10:26:46 GMT -5
Unless that family happens to be in possession of a time-machine, they can't possibly know that. There may be a recommendation from the council next Wednesday but, from what I've heard, it isn't a popular idea. The NCAA did approve and announce in August that all fall sports athletes would automatically get an additional year of eligibility.
No idea if that only applies only to athletes who enroll no later than Fall 2020.
I would think that means you have to be in college Fall 2020, or at least have signed your LOI as part of the 2020 signing class.
For those high school seniors who have not yet graduated, they can't even sign their LOI until November 2020. Even if some plan graduate in December and enroll in college in Spring 2021, I can't imagine they fall under the same bylaws as those Fall student-athletes currently in college.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 9, 2020 10:34:11 GMT -5
Before they worry about playing, spring enrollees might ought to worry about whether they have a scholarship in the spring. Haven't heard anything that indicates the scholarship limit will be waved this academic year (it has for next year). In many cases, the senior that was graduating this fall to open up a spring ship for an early enrollee will still be in school and playing this spring. No way they're being changed for this school year. To me the much bigger issue will be that all these athletes now have an extra year of eligibility, and I suspect they're not going to allow schools to take on more scholarships to accommodate them. I agree. With the reduced budgets for all (I assume) athletic departments this year, many are not going to take on additional ships either. I suspect the controversy will be in football where you've already seen Ryan Day pushing for spring enrollee eligibility though I suspect this was mostly an attempt to get a recruiting advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 10:49:55 GMT -5
The NCAA did approve and announce in August that all fall sports athletes would automatically get an additional year of eligibility.
No idea if that only applies only to athletes who enroll no later than Fall 2020.
It applies to athletes who were eligible for fall competition, per the NCAA FAQ, which was updated in August. Spring enrollees were obviously not eligible to compete in fall 2020. If they are permitted to do so, it will require a new waiver. Last I heard, there was not strong support to grant one. Thanks, makes sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 10:51:14 GMT -5
The NCAA did approve and announce in August that all fall sports athletes would automatically get an additional year of eligibility.
No idea if that only applies only to athletes who enroll no later than Fall 2020.
I would think that means you have to be in college Fall 2020, or at least have signed your LOI as part of the 2020 signing class.
For those high school seniors who have not yet graduated, they can't even sign their LOI until November 2020. Even if some plan graduate in December and enroll in college in Spring 2021, I can't imagine they fall under the same bylaws as those Fall student-athletes currently in college.
Right. And normally it wouldn’t matter because the spring season doesn’t end with an NCAA championship, and so it doesn’t count as a season of eligibility. But obviously this year it does.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 10:53:55 GMT -5
No way they're being changed for this school year. To me the much bigger issue will be that all these athletes now have an extra year of eligibility, and I suspect they're not going to allow schools to take on more scholarships to accommodate them. I agree. With the reduced budgets for all (I assume) athletic departments this year, many are not going to take on additional ships either. I suspect the controversy will be in football where you've already seen Ryan Day pushing for spring enrollee eligibility though I suspect this was mostly an attempt to get a recruiting advantage. I personally think that any student-athlete that has earned a degree and is in their sixth or later year of eligibility (normally you get five calendar years, now many will have six or even more) should simply not count against roster or scholarship limits. It would still cost the athletic dept money, of course, but not against the limit. That would be one simple way to “solve” it. But I’m sure some would fight against that for reasons.
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Post by volleynerdmw on Sept 9, 2020 11:08:02 GMT -5
The NCAA did approve and announce in August that all fall sports athletes would automatically get an additional year of eligibility.
No idea if that only applies only to athletes who enroll no later than Fall 2020.
I would think that means you have to be in college Fall 2020, or at least have signed your LOI as part of the 2020 signing class.
For those high school seniors who have not yet graduated, they can't even sign their LOI until November 2020. Even if some plan graduate in December and enroll in college in Spring 2021, I can't imagine they fall under the same bylaws as those Fall student-athletes currently in college.
Even if you enroll in January of 2021 aren't you a Fall Sport athlete thus falling under the blanket waiver ? Spring doesn't normally count eligibility wise since it's consider a non-championship season (normally) but it does start your clock for 4 seasons in 5 years rule so why would they be excluded from a blanket waiver all fall sport athletes are being granted for playing a fall sport in the 20-21 academic year. NCAA also granted any athlete a fall semester waiver. They are eligible to play in the spring if they did not enroll in school in the fall of 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 11:16:42 GMT -5
I would think that means you have to be in college Fall 2020, or at least have signed your LOI as part of the 2020 signing class.
For those high school seniors who have not yet graduated, they can't even sign their LOI until November 2020. Even if some plan graduate in December and enroll in college in Spring 2021, I can't imagine they fall under the same bylaws as those Fall student-athletes currently in college.
Even if you enroll in January of 2021 aren't you a Fall Sport athlete thus falling under the blanket waiver ? Spring doesn't normally count eligibility wise since it's consider a non-championship season (normally) but it does start your clock for 4 seasons in 5 years rule so why would they be excluded from a blanket waiver all fall sport athletes are being granted for playing a fall sport in the 20-21 academic year. NCAA also granted any athlete a fall semester waiver. They are eligible to play in the spring if they did not enroll in school in the fall of 2020. You can find the answer the this question 4 posts ago. The fall sports waiver was for athletes who were eligible for FALL 2020 competition. By definition spring enrollees weren't. They would need a new waiver. This really isn't confusing: If you weren't eligible to compete right now, then you aren't (currently) eligible to compete in fall sports, even if they take place in the spring. As noted on page 1, the latest info is that isn't expected to change.
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Post by volleynerdmw on Sept 9, 2020 11:36:02 GMT -5
Even if you enroll in January of 2021 aren't you a Fall Sport athlete thus falling under the blanket waiver ? Spring doesn't normally count eligibility wise since it's consider a non-championship season (normally) but it does start your clock for 4 seasons in 5 years rule so why would they be excluded from a blanket waiver all fall sport athletes are being granted for playing a fall sport in the 20-21 academic year. NCAA also granted any athlete a fall semester waiver. They are eligible to play in the spring if they did not enroll in school in the fall of 2020. You can find the answer the this question 4 posts ago. The fall sports waiver was for athletes who were eligible for FALL 2020 competition. By definition spring enrollees weren't. They would need a new waiver. This really isn't confusing: If you weren't eligible to compete right now, then you aren't (currently) eligible to compete in fall sports, even if they take place in the spring. As noted on page 1, the latest info is that isn't expected to change. I am referring to that post. The wavier applies to all fall sport athletes competing in the 20-21 academic year. It makes no mention of having to be eligible for fall of 2020, at least I don't see it mention in the Board of Directors FAQs or Covid response document. I guess we will have to wait an see if specific comes out of the 9/16 meeting.
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