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Post by donut on Jun 23, 2021 21:52:33 GMT -5
You are the only person who wants retrocession. Maryland doesn't want it and DC citizens don't want it. It's a separate place with a distinct culture and history. You speak for no one. Put it to a vote. Why are you afraid of democracy? lol he's not speaking for anyone. He's done his research. Try it sometime. link
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 23, 2021 22:10:41 GMT -5
You are the only person who wants retrocession. Maryland doesn't want it and DC citizens don't want it. It's a separate place with a distinct culture and history. You speak for no one. Put it to a vote. Why are you afraid of democracy? It already went to a vote.
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Post by cindra on Jun 23, 2021 22:48:22 GMT -5
You are the only person who wants retrocession. Maryland doesn't want it and DC citizens don't want it. It's a separate place with a distinct culture and history. You speak for no one. Put it to a vote. Why are you afraid of democracy? it has been put to a vote lmfao
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 7:37:49 GMT -5
You speak for no one. Put it to a vote. Why are you afraid of democracy? It already went to a vote. Link to the result of MD retrocession votes? Nope.
You're just referring again to the meaningless DC statehood votes. They voted for unicorns. Whoopty doo.
Polls and opinions, from the 90's. 🙄
i) I would've thought these last two presidential elections would've taught you how useless polls are
ii) with Maryland (65% for Biden, that proves it) and DC being heavily Dem, of course they're likely to oppose it -- because, duh, they want two more Dem senators, as does anyone fighting for DC statehood and/or against MD retrocession. That's all anyone actually cares about, despite the lies here.
Regardless, with respect to point ii), if there was an actual vote on it and they voted against it, so be it. Then they turned down their only real chance at Senate representation.
I do think it should be put forth to grant DC's non-voting House member the ability to start voting, and call it good at that. Then we'll see how fast you all here crawdad on your positions.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 24, 2021 8:37:36 GMT -5
Link to the result of MD retrocession votes? Nope. There hasn't been a vote because why vote on something nobody in Maryland wants to do? Democrats have no reason to support it and MD Republicans vehemently oppose it. If you put a bill on Larry Hogan's desk today he'd veto it. Yes, that meaningless little democracy thing. I don't know what this is in reference to. Maryland, a state famously without a popular two-term Republican governor. Who is the "they" in this statement? That pesky constitution be damned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 9:01:13 GMT -5
You're the one wanting to ignore the "pesky" fact that DC statehood has less chance than a constitutional amendment.
Maryland is heavily Dem state, no need to lie about that. Presidential election proved it, you ignored that.
If they (Maryland voters) got to have a statewide vote on DC retrocession, and said No, then so be it. The only reason they would vote no, is that they hope to gain two Dem senators from DC. The exact same reason you all support it, though you lie and pretend otherwise.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 24, 2021 9:05:34 GMT -5
Where's the lie?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 24, 2021 9:13:24 GMT -5
You're the one wanting to ignore the "pesky" fact that DC statehood has less chance than a constitutional amendment. An act requiring a majority vote in the House (already happened) and 60 votes in the Senate has less chance than an amendment requiring 291 votes in the House, 67 in the Senate, and ratification by 38 states? OK then. Blue states with GOP governors is very much a thing. Maryland has one, Massachusetts has one, and Virginia might get one this fall. State politics aren't national politics in most places. I'd guess people living in Chevy Chase, Silver Spring and Bethesda vote Dem but wouldn't want DC as part of their state. There's a reason they don't live in DC. (hint: black people) I think Democrats should absolutely ram through DC and PR statehood. It'd be in their best interests as a party. It's also the right thing for American citizens to have congressional representation. But I'm not a Democrat, so they'll do what they do.
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Post by donut on Jun 24, 2021 13:01:24 GMT -5
lmao this is embarrassing
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 13:51:24 GMT -5
Republicans will never vote for DC statehood. Neither would the Democrats if the new state in question was voting 85% Republican. Statehood has always been political in US history.
PR statehood could pass.
One aspect not mentioned - adding DC and PR (or just one) would increase the power among smaller states. I think it has been mentioned before that small state power in the US is undemocratic. If it is - then adding either DC or PR would also be undemocratic.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 28, 2021 13:56:08 GMT -5
Republicans will never vote for DC statehood. Neither would the Democrats if the new state in question was voting 85% Republican. Statehood has always been political in US history. PR statehood could pass. One aspect not mentioned - adding DC and PR (or just one) would increase the power among smaller states. I think it has been mentioned before that small state power in the US is undemocratic. If it is - then adding either DC or PR would also be undemocratic. LOL. That's a pathetic attempt at a "gotcha". Yes, the Senate should be abolished. But until then, why should the <600k people of Wyoming get two Senators but the >600k people of DC get none?
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 14:13:57 GMT -5
Republicans will never vote for DC statehood. Neither would the Democrats if the new state in question was voting 85% Republican. Statehood has always been political in US history. PR statehood could pass. One aspect not mentioned - adding DC and PR (or just one) would increase the power among smaller states. I think it has been mentioned before that small state power in the US is undemocratic. If it is - then adding either DC or PR would also be undemocratic. But until then, why should the <600k people of Wyoming get two Senators but the >600k people of DC get none? This has never been a criteria for statehood.
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 14:17:20 GMT -5
But until then, why should the <600k people of Wyoming get two Senators but the >600k people of DC get none? This has never been a criteria for statehood. What a weak rebuttal.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 28, 2021 14:22:31 GMT -5
There is literally *no* criteria for statehood other than what Congress decides in the moment.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 28, 2021 14:43:46 GMT -5
This has never been a criteria for statehood. What are the "criteria for statehood"?
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