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Post by Badger Alum on Dec 11, 2020 0:16:30 GMT -5
Too bad it is going away. Picking the NT team will always take care of itself. The HP program was a good way to give players who were serious, and wanted to get better, exposure to a higher level of competition and some better coaching. Hopefully something will develop to take it's place. I completely agree with this. Opportunities to play with other highly skilled athletes against other highly skilled athletes is not easy to find in our area. HP allowed for that to happen. Hopefully something else can fill that void.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Dec 11, 2020 16:05:13 GMT -5
I really like this because a casting call isn't real volleyball, they should be watched where it matters...battling on a court as a member of a team. Casting calls are going to skew you towards tangibles like height, jump, reach. Those are super important and should be part of the assessment, but does the kid make their team better? Does the kid know how to win? Intangibles show in the heat of it... Isn't the "casting call" method the way most players end up on club teams?
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Post by silverchloride on Dec 11, 2020 16:54:37 GMT -5
I really like this because a casting call isn't real volleyball, they should be watched where it matters...battling on a court as a member of a team. Casting calls are going to skew you towards tangibles like height, jump, reach. Those are super important and should be part of the assessment, but does the kid make their team better? Does the kid know how to win? Intangibles show in the heat of it... Isn't the "casting call" method the way most players end up on club teams? You mean, tryouts, lol.
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Post by jammaster on Dec 11, 2020 16:57:41 GMT -5
I really like this because a casting call isn't real volleyball, they should be watched where it matters...battling on a court as a member of a team. Casting calls are going to skew you towards tangibles like height, jump, reach. Those are super important and should be part of the assessment, but does the kid make their team better? Does the kid know how to win? Intangibles show in the heat of it... Isn't the "casting call" method the way most players end up on club teams? For 12u and 13u the tryouts probably yield a pretty high number of kids, but once you get to forming even a 13s team, the majority of kids are returning. The "casting call" is often just a show for any walk-ins or invites to see the level of players. Returning kids are a known commodity, so the tryout is basically not a determinant of if they get on the team. The director already knows who is on his 1s team for each age before tryouts. There are usually a few out of program kids he is trying to land, and if he does often the team just gets bigger. At HP it was more of a true casting call because I would assume most of kids are unknowns.
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Post by n00b on Dec 11, 2020 17:04:01 GMT -5
I really like this because a casting call isn't real volleyball, they should be watched where it matters...battling on a court as a member of a team. Casting calls are going to skew you towards tangibles like height, jump, reach. Those are super important and should be part of the assessment, but does the kid make their team better? Does the kid know how to win? Intangibles show in the heat of it... Isn't the "casting call" method the way most players end up on club teams? Not on the best club teams. Those club directors go out and watch high school matches and during club season, they watch the other clubs from the area to find the kids they want to target for next season. Very few athletes on open-level teams are discovered at tryouts.
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Post by silverchloride on Dec 12, 2020 0:09:57 GMT -5
Isn't the "casting call" method the way most players end up on club teams? Not on the best club teams. Those club directors go out and watch high school matches and during club season, they watch the other clubs from the area to find the kids they want to target for next season. Very few athletes on open-level teams are discovered at tryouts. Probably depends upon region, but this is definitely true from 16u to 18u. By then the pool has significantly dwindled.
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Post by Winbabywin on Dec 12, 2020 13:59:26 GMT -5
I agree the scouting of talent is definitely a better way to get talent. But these "casting calls" were a great way to generate some revenue. Wonder how USAV is gonna get parents to waste their money now.
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Post by volleyparent on Apr 29, 2021 15:36:54 GMT -5
Has anyone heard when the development program invitations will be sent?
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Post by silverchloride on Apr 29, 2021 15:52:17 GMT -5
Has anyone heard when the development program invitations will be sent? Nope, but I am interested in the new process as well. I wonder if C-19 restrictions have not allowed for scouting to happen for the National Team Development program.
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Post by volleyparent on Apr 29, 2021 15:55:28 GMT -5
Has anyone heard when the development program invitations will be sent? Nope, but I am interested in the new process as well. I wonder if C-19 restrictions have not allowed for scouting to happen for the National Team Development program. I imagine that the USofA wouldn't want to wait 2 years to further train future Olympians! I bet they are calling up top college coaches and ask who they are recruiting.
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Post by silverchloride on Apr 29, 2021 16:12:49 GMT -5
Nope, but I am interested in the new process as well. I wonder if C-19 restrictions have not allowed for scouting to happen for the National Team Development program. I imagine that the USofA wouldn't want to wait 2 years to further train future Olympians! I bet they are calling up top college coaches and ask who they are recruiting. Agreed, but how will programs know about prospects other than video highlights at this point?
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Post by Friday on Apr 29, 2021 16:26:04 GMT -5
I imagine that the USofA wouldn't want to wait 2 years to further train future Olympians! I bet they are calling up top college coaches and ask who they are recruiting. Agreed, but how will programs know about prospects other than video highlights at this point? They utilized video last year and it was a mess. Of course requirement was full game. Hard to get full game footage in a shortened season. Last year was out of necessity. Hopefully there are other solutions this year.
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Post by gtrich on Apr 29, 2021 17:09:45 GMT -5
There is a post in the men's section on this as well. I'm pasting the responses to the two emails I sent to them back in early March. I was asking about the boys NTDP program and if it was still running, but I would assume the girls would be similar.
First email on scouting (I'm guessing match film means Baller TV because I'm not sure how else they would get video) Thanks for the email! Yes, the NTDP is in motion. The majority of our scouts are collegiate coaches. With the NCAA dead period being extended, they are currently not permitted to be on site at events. However, this does not prohibit them from scouting via virtual means. Our scouts will use match film to work to identify athletes. This is a method that these scouts use often during NCAA dead periods and are very experienced in using this as a means to identify athletes
Second email on timing You are correct in that our timeline and programming mentions more regional opportunities and camps built into the NTDP process for Q1. Unfortunately for this inaugural year, COVID-19 has greatly limited what is safe and possible here. For this year only, we've planned to kick-start our programming with the National camp/Training Series this summer through HPC. I apologize if we were unclear there during the Town Hall meetings, and there was an expectation of Q1 events.
The 2021 Indoor High Performance Championships tournament will be our first Training Series event and will take place July 21-25, 2021. The location of the event will be at the Phoenix Convention Center, in Phoenix, Arizona. With the new program rollout, we're working diligently to get all the pieces together in a row. With the current status of our operations, we anticipate to have correspondence and communications to age-group eligible athletes selected to HPC out by late April/early May. Selected athletes will be able to train the week ahead of the tournament (16th-20th) similar to past formats.
We're approaching the undertaking of the new NTDP re-brand with the understanding we will certainly be met with many hurdles in our work. All of this is so new and it's unique to also be experiencing a global pandemic. We apologize we're not there yet in our ability to communicate invites/selections today but are diligently working to get there. We truly appreciate your patience here while we're working through this re-brand.
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Post by gtrich on May 6, 2021 17:39:49 GMT -5
I don't know about the girls side, but we just got word from our club that the boys side has been canceled this year.
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Post by justahick on May 6, 2021 18:27:06 GMT -5
There is a post in the men's section on this as well. I'm pasting the responses to the two emails I sent to them back in early March. I was asking about the boys NTDP program and if it was still running, but I would assume the girls would be similar. First email on scouting (I'm guessing match film means Baller TV because I'm not sure how else they would get video) Thanks for the email! Yes, the NTDP is in motion. The majority of our scouts are collegiate coaches. With the NCAA dead period being extended, they are currently not permitted to be on site at events. However, this does not prohibit them from scouting via virtual means. Our scouts will use match film to work to identify athletes. This is a method that these scouts use often during NCAA dead periods and are very experienced in using this as a means to identify athletes Second email on timing You are correct in that our timeline and programming mentions more regional opportunities and camps built into the NTDP process for Q1. Unfortunately for this inaugural year, COVID-19 has greatly limited what is safe and possible here. For this year only, we've planned to kick-start our programming with the National camp/Training Series this summer through HPC. I apologize if we were unclear there during the Town Hall meetings, and there was an expectation of Q1 events. The 2021 Indoor High Performance Championships tournament will be our first Training Series event and will take place July 21-25, 2021. The location of the event will be at the Phoenix Convention Center, in Phoenix, Arizona. With the new program rollout, we're working diligently to get all the pieces together in a row. With the current status of our operations, we anticipate to have correspondence and communications to age-group eligible athletes selected to HPC out by late April/early May. Selected athletes will be able to train the week ahead of the tournament (16th-20th) similar to past formats. We're approaching the undertaking of the new NTDP re-brand with the understanding we will certainly be met with many hurdles in our work. All of this is so new and it's unique to also be experiencing a global pandemic. We apologize we're not there yet in our ability to communicate invites/selections today but are diligently working to get there. We truly appreciate your patience here while we're working through this re-brand. It is almost all college coaches - so they are also getting highlight videos, and/or full match video from prospective student athletes. Basically, select college coaches are forwarding their PSA evaluations to USAV HP and USAV HP is compiling and inviting players based on those evaluations.
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