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Post by n00b on May 6, 2021 10:48:03 GMT -5
I mean good for them if that’s what makes them happy but I wanna see new faces leading these top programs. I don’t wanna start and argument but I wish players like Hilley especially would move on, they’ve left their mark and been top players for 4 seasons now. I’ll feel the same if stivrins and sun stay at Nebraska too. I’m just ready to see the younger talent and next phase I also am not a huge fan of this fifth season. The season took place a champion was crowned why are we allowing players to come back for another season. I get that they didnt get their preseason matches and things were not the same as previous years, but let go. I think its unfair for example Hilley or Barnes to stay another year taking away another setter or lib chance to start. I would be upset if I was Wisconsins back up setter or DS because their playing time has been affected. For those that are doing the fifth year I think it would be smart to go to a grad school and play for them. I personally think it's to experience other cities/classes/volleyball programs/conferences. They were lucky to be granted another year why not pick somewhere else where you are not comfortable? That is just my rationale though The 5th season happened because a massive number of players would’ve opted out. Players like Hilley wouldn’t have wanted to risk what happened to Rice ending her career. AND that decision had to be made in September for athletes in the SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Sun Belt. The only way this season was in any way legitimate was to not force athletes into a situation where they’d be risking ending their eligibility on a partial season. I agree, the season ended up being mostly normal. But that call had to be made before we knew that. |
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Post by Friday on May 6, 2021 17:35:10 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how they handle records. These 5th year athletes could potentially bust thru a bunch of records. Will they all come with a "*"?
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Post by blockit1 on May 6, 2021 17:47:26 GMT -5
When volleyball scoring moved from side-out scoring to rally-scoring, no "*". When they allowed blocking of serves vs did not allow, no "*". When they changed the rules to allow serves to touch the net and trickle over, no "*". I'm sure there are more examples and across all sports.
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Post by bayarea on May 6, 2021 20:58:01 GMT -5
When volleyball scoring moved from side-out scoring to rally-scoring, no "*". When they allowed blocking of serves vs did not allow, no "*". When they changed the rules to allow serves to touch the net and trickle over, no "*". I'm sure there are more examples and across all sports. There are many ____ per set records that are almost impossible to break since the change to the rally scoring era and then reducing rally scoring to 25 points instead of 30 points. I, personally, think that some distinction should be made in the record books. However, granting a subset of players 5 'full' seasons of competition, which has never been an option to prior players, should lead to many of this generation of players breaking 'career' statistical records that all prior competitors had only 4 full seasons to compete for. |
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Post by rjaege on May 6, 2021 21:58:30 GMT -5
I also am not a huge fan of this fifth season. The season took place a champion was crowned why are we allowing players to come back for another season. I get that they didnt get their preseason matches and things were not the same as previous years, but let go. I think its unfair for example Hilley or Barnes to stay another year taking away another setter or lib chance to start. I would be upset if I was Wisconsins back up setter or DS because their playing time has been affected. For those that are doing the fifth year I think it would be smart to go to a grad school and play for them. I personally think it's to experience other cities/classes/volleyball programs/conferences. They were lucky to be granted another year why not pick somewhere else where you are not comfortable? That is just my rationale though The 5th season happened because a massive number of players would’ve opted out. Players like Hilley wouldn’t have wanted to risk what happened to Rice ending her career. AND that decision had to be made in September for athletes in the SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Sun Belt. The only way this season was in any way legitimate was to not force athletes into a situation where they’d be risking ending their eligibility on a partial season. I agree, the season ended up being mostly normal. But that call had to be made before we knew that. At least in the Big Ten the season was far from normal, including an incomplete conference schedule. IMO there is no "right" answer. It's hard IMO to fault the NCAA decision which leaves the decision to utilize the extra year with the athlete and their team. |
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Post by Kingsley on May 7, 2021 11:56:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 12:29:32 GMT -5
Loberg is coming back. Hm
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Post by kimdc on May 10, 2021 22:47:35 GMT -5
When volleyball scoring moved from side-out scoring to rally-scoring, no "*". When they allowed blocking of serves vs did not allow, no "*". When they changed the rules to allow serves to touch the net and trickle over, no "*". I'm sure there are more examples and across all sports. There are many ____ per set records that are almost impossible to break since the change to the rally scoring era and then reducing rally scoring to 25 points instead of 30 points. I, personally, think that some distinction should be made in the record books. However, granting a subset of players 5 'full' seasons of competition, which has never been an option to prior players, should lead to many of this generation of players breaking 'career' statistical records that all prior competitors had only 4 full seasons to compete for. I have thought about this in the context of softball for a while because we have a career home run chase going on this season. What I eventually came to was that players don't get the same number of competitions in a normal year. Think of a great player who plays on a mediocre volleyball team that rarely gets beyond the first round of the tournament. Now, compare her ability to set career records vs players at schools that regularly advance deep. Those players regularly get 4-6 more matches a year to build stats. That can add up to almost an extra season over a college career. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 11, 2021 9:30:33 GMT -5
From John Tawa's Daily Dots 05/10/21:
Lambo also told me about his current 2021 recruiting class. He’s been at Wichita State for 21 years and this is the first time he hasn’t had any incoming recruits. With current seniors retaining their eligibility, he could not sign any in the Class of 2021 and keep his seniors. So he kept his seniors.
“We didn’t send out any National Letters of Intent for the first time in my life,” he said.
I wonder how far this ripple effect will spread.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 18:18:21 GMT -5
From John Tawa's Daily Dots 05/10/21: Lambo also told me about his current 2021 recruiting class. He’s been at Wichita State for 21 years and this is the first time he hasn’t had any incoming recruits. With current seniors retaining their eligibility, he could not sign any in the Class of 2021 and keep his seniors. So he kept his seniors. “We didn’t send out any National Letters of Intent for the first time in my life,” he said. I wonder how far this ripple effect will spread. The returning seniors don't count against the scholarship limit, though. Perhaps the school didn't want to support any more scholarship VB players? |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 12, 2021 8:07:54 GMT -5
From John Tawa's Daily Dots 05/10/21: Lambo also told me about his current 2021 recruiting class. He’s been at Wichita State for 21 years and this is the first time he hasn’t had any incoming recruits. With current seniors retaining their eligibility, he could not sign any in the Class of 2021 and keep his seniors. So he kept his seniors. “We didn’t send out any National Letters of Intent for the first time in my life,” he said. I wonder how far this ripple effect will spread. The returning seniors don't count against the scholarship limit, though. Perhaps the school didn't want to support any more scholarship VB players? That's quite possible. I look at it from a numbers/roster perspective. If I knew that I had four seniors coming back I don't feel like I need to find four freshman to step into those spots this year. I can just wait out a year and start my freshman crop the following year. Seniors coming back are great for a coach, you already know what you're getting and they're one year wiser and stronger. |
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Post by bluepenquin on May 12, 2021 8:16:53 GMT -5
The returning seniors don't count against the scholarship limit, though. Perhaps the school didn't want to support any more scholarship VB players? That's quite possible. I look at it from a numbers/roster perspective. If I knew that I had four seniors coming back I don't feel like I need to find four freshman to step into those spots this year. I can just wait out a year and start my freshman crop the following year. Seniors coming back are great for a coach, you already know what you're getting and they're one year wiser and stronger. I think this is what is going on here. Wichita State has been successful using a different roster strategy than P5 teams. There have been years where they have had more than 20 players on their roster at one time. I wouldn't be surprised if they are going with a 5 years of eligibility play (not counting a redshirt) from their 2020 roster while not using the 1 year exemption on scholarships. They probably have run the numbers and realized the program will be more successful over the next 5-6 years going this route. |
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Post by ned3vball on May 12, 2021 14:13:06 GMT -5
BC article on MB Amaka Chukwujekwu being named 2nd team All-ACC said she is returning for a 5th season in the Fall.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on May 12, 2021 17:08:32 GMT -5
SUU announced that Hone is coming back for a 5th year.
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