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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 13:47:49 GMT -5
The main format changes I hope to see for next season: 1. Captains she be chosen every week based on their performance from the prior week alone and not based on their cumulative score. 2. Liberos should get more points for digs/good passes/assists than other players so they have a fair shot at making the top of the leaderboard. Same thing for middles. 1. I think that could be more exciting. But I think the final week should be cumulative captains, so there's no gamesmanship (im not sure we saw any of that this year) 2. I think the points system was definitely a learning process and can be fine tuned. I'd be interested to see AU's feedback on really how much of their audience were concerned about the points or just waited for the end of the night updates (aka me) I think the points system should be adjusted per position. Make assists/passes more for liberos, make blocks/kills more for middles, etc. I think a more balanced system would be beneficial but I also understand this was very much a learning process |
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Mar 30, 2021 13:49:52 GMT -5
So with Larson mostly having it wrapped up before the last weekend I would like to see something like what NASCAR does with the "Chase". Maybe going into the last weekend have the top 4-6 players start even so you have more at stake and maybe a player going into that last weekend who would have been 6th in the standing can end up becoming the Champion.
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Post by carsonvega on Mar 30, 2021 13:51:14 GMT -5
I know it's been mentioned before, but what I mainly wish is that there was a champion for each position (outside, opposite, setter, middle, libero). There could still be an overall champion, but I think having positional champions would help to have more at stake in the last week or two, as well as possibly help increase more casual fans' knowledge about volleyball in general. (Also, I'll admit to having a soft spot for good middles...)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 13:56:02 GMT -5
I know it's been mentioned before, but what I mainly wish is that there was a champion for each position (outside, opposite, setter, middle, libero). There could still be an overall champion, but I think having positional champions would help to have more at stake in the last week or two, as well as possibly help increase more casual fans' knowledge about volleyball in general. (Also, I'll admit to having a soft spot for good middles...) I think having a dream team would be a good idea. (having an overall winner + the highest stat points from each position) 2021 Dream Team Champion: Jordan Larson OH: Larson OH: DLC Opp: Lowe MB: Gibbemeyer MB: Sybeldon S: King L: Tupac |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 13:56:50 GMT -5
I know it's one of their $$$ points... but I'd love to see MVP points go, or be reduced
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Post by eazy on Mar 30, 2021 14:04:17 GMT -5
I know it's been mentioned before, but what I mainly wish is that there was a champion for each position (outside, opposite, setter, middle, libero). There could still be an overall champion, but I think having positional champions would help to have more at stake in the last week or two, as well as possibly help increase more casual fans' knowledge about volleyball in general. (Also, I'll admit to having a soft spot for good middles...) I think having a dream team would be a good idea. (having an overall winner + the highest stat points from each position) 2021 Dream Team Champion: Jordan Larson OH: Larson OH: DLC Opp: Lowe MB: Gibbemeyer MB: Sybeldon S: King No love for the bros? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 14:05:36 GMT -5
I think having a dream team would be a good idea. (having an overall winner + the highest stat points from each position) 2021 Dream Team Champion: Jordan Larson OH: Larson OH: DLC Opp: Lowe MB: Gibbemeyer MB: Sybeldon S: King No love for the bros? Oops lol it was Tupac |
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Mar 30, 2021 14:10:14 GMT -5
Wasn't Velez picked as the defensive player?
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Post by joetrinsey on Mar 30, 2021 14:12:37 GMT -5
It would be fun if they took the league on a barnstorming tour next year. Maybe four to six different cities.
That would be fun, but I think 0 chance of this. Hopefully I'm not misrepresenting the thoughts of the higher-ups, but from what I understand... their view is that it's a question of resource (money, but also time and physical energy) allocation and that travel is a huge resource-sink. And I think there's something to that.
For example, back when VNL was World Grand Prix, we had a 3-week stretch where we played in China, then in the USA, then in Hong Kong, then back to the USA for an off week, and then to Thailand for the finals. The FIVB couldn't have wasted more money and made the players more miserable if they tried.
Extreme example obviously, but remember that everything in this league goes back to the players first. Less travel? Easier on the player's bodies and more money to go to player salaries, support staff, marketing, etc. And I think they are less worried about building a local fan base and more concerned with engagement of fans around the world via social media, etc.
Anybody who's been involved with a college sport will recall that 3-week stretch where you have a whole bunch of home matches in a row and how those all feel like a breeze? You're always practicing on your normal court at your normal times, staff is home with families for dinner every night, you have the same pre-match routine at your home arena, etc. The whole season felt like that.
It's going to be a while before this league can compete on a purely salary basis, but I think there is a leverage opportunity in making the athlete welfare experience extremely high. If I'm a solidly mid-tier American pro, I now have to consider:
Option A: Go play in a not-Italy/Turkey European league. 7+ month season. Might not be all that enjoyable in January and February. Quality of coaching is unknown; could be really solid, could be in a foreign language with a coach that's actively trying to sleep with the players.
Option B: Play in this league. Make 70% of the salary but in 2 months in nice (to an American, at least) location with a comfort level (for an American, at least) that's going to be a lot higher.
The barnstorming tour idea is fun and there's probably a way to do it, I just think it's going to be a while before this league considers anything that involves moving the players around, especially if it can't be done with a full and consistent support staff, athlete living experience, etc.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 30, 2021 14:28:18 GMT -5
It would be fun if they took the league on a barnstorming tour next year. Maybe four to six different cities. That would be fun, but I think 0 chance of this. Hopefully I'm not misrepresenting the thoughts of the higher-ups, but from what I understand... their view is that it's a question of resource (money, but also time and physical energy) allocation and that travel is a huge resource-sink. And I think there's something to that.
For example, back when VNL was World Grand Prix, we had a 3-week stretch where we played in China, then in the USA, then in Hong Kong, then back to the USA for an off week, and then to Thailand for the finals. The FIVB couldn't have wasted more money and made the players more miserable if they tried. Extreme example obviously, but remember that everything in this league goes back to the players first. Less travel? Easier on the player's bodies and more money to go to player salaries, support staff, marketing, etc. And I think they are less worried about building a local fan base and more concerned with engagement of fans around the world via social media, etc. Anybody who's been involved with a college sport will recall that 3-week stretch where you have a whole bunch of home matches in a row and how those all feel like a breeze? You're always practicing on your normal court at your normal times, staff is home with families for dinner every night, you have the same pre-match routine at your home arena, etc. The whole season felt like that. It's going to be a while before this league can compete on a purely salary basis, but I think there is a leverage opportunity in making the athlete welfare experience extremely high. If I'm a solidly mid-tier American pro, I now have to consider: Option A: Go play in a not-Italy/Turkey European league. 7+ month season. Might not be all that enjoyable in January and February. Quality of coaching is unknown; could be really solid, could be in a foreign language with a coach that's actively trying to sleep with the players.
Option B: Play in this league. Make 70% of the salary but in 2 months in nice (to an American, at least) location with a comfort level (for an American, at least) that's going to be a lot higher. The barnstorming tour idea is fun and there's probably a way to do it, I just think it's going to be a while before this league considers anything that involves moving the players around, especially if it can't be done with a full and consistent support staff, athlete living experience, etc.
All totally fair points. May I propose an alternative: put it in a city close to where I live so I can go. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 14:42:21 GMT -5
Keep it in Dallas. Just a 5 hour drive for me. I would have gone this year but no fans were allowed.
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Post by ajm on Mar 30, 2021 15:10:06 GMT -5
The main format changes I hope to see for next season: 1. Captains she be chosen every week based on their performance from the prior week alone and not based on their cumulative score. 2. Liberos should get more points for digs/good passes/assists than other players so they have a fair shot at making the top of the leaderboard. Same thing for middles. 1. I think that could be more exciting. But I think the final week should be cumulative captains, so there's no gamesmanship (im not sure we saw any of that this year) 2. I think the points system was definitely a learning process and can be fine tuned. I'd be interested to see AU's feedback on really how much of their audience were concerned about the points or just waited for the end of the night updates (aka me) I think the points system should be adjusted per position. Make assists/passes more for liberos, make blocks/kills more for middles, etc. I think a more balanced system would be beneficial but I also understand this was very much a learning process Can’t remember where I saw it now, but someone applied the AU scoring system to one of the top European leagues. It’s definitely biased toward opposites and outsides, for better or worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 15:11:50 GMT -5
1. I think that could be more exciting. But I think the final week should be cumulative captains, so there's no gamesmanship (im not sure we saw any of that this year) 2. I think the points system was definitely a learning process and can be fine tuned. I'd be interested to see AU's feedback on really how much of their audience were concerned about the points or just waited for the end of the night updates (aka me) I think the points system should be adjusted per position. Make assists/passes more for liberos, make blocks/kills more for middles, etc. I think a more balanced system would be beneficial but I also understand this was very much a learning process Can’t remember where I saw it now, but someone applied the AU scoring system to one of the top European leagues. It’s definitely biased toward opposites and outsides, for better or worse. Im pretty sure that was Trinsey (may be wrong). They did it with the VNL too. I think it's always going to be that way... at least with outsides... since they can do every skill. Im sure we'll see some adjustments for season 2 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 15:12:57 GMT -5
Can’t remember where I saw it now, but someone applied the AU scoring system to one of the top European leagues. It’s definitely biased toward opposites and outsides, for better or worse. Im pretty sure that was Trinsey (may be wrong). They did it with the VNL too. I think it's always going to be that way... at least with outsides... since they can do every skill. Im sure we'll see some adjustments for season 2 it also didn’t help that the 4 best players in the league were pin hitters this year. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 15:15:36 GMT -5
Im pretty sure that was Trinsey (may be wrong). They did it with the VNL too. I think it's always going to be that way... at least with outsides... since they can do every skill. Im sure we'll see some adjustments for season 2 it also didn’t help that the 4 best players in the league were pin hitters this year. It's always going to deviate to the pins/setters, no matter who the best players are. Pins can do every skill, setter's assist points counter not passing. |
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