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Post by beavis on Jan 24, 2021 7:47:37 GMT -5
This entire thread explains why many of us have slowly become more interested in following the women than the men.
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Post by southbay11 on Jan 24, 2021 8:26:12 GMT -5
From what I heard a few days ago Kolinske and Evans are still together. If Kolinske is with Evans, who does Hyden pick up? I doubt it would be Ricardo, strikes me as a conflict of play styles for sure. Would he give Piotr another call? Maybe he dips down and scoops Logan Webber or another young large blocker? Bill is playing domestic with John. International with Evans.
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Post by southbay11 on Jan 24, 2021 8:29:47 GMT -5
I saw him play in the first Champions Cup and I don't think I watched his matches in the next two but, playing with the weakest partner in the event series, he did better than Andy Benesh or Troy Field. Besides if US players start retiring at 44, we wont have an AVP When you're 7 feet tall, playing with the weakest player in the field who's like 6 feet, and is also one of the better setters in the field, and you're still getting served more than him, you're clearly in a place of not belonging. He also didn't do better than Benesh or Field thorughout the cup. Troy was in the main draw? Enough said. One of them made it to the show.
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Post by Winbabywin on Jan 24, 2021 19:46:53 GMT -5
This entire thread explains why many of us have slowly become more interested in following the women than the men. Erroneous!
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Post by southbay11 on Jan 24, 2021 22:30:56 GMT -5
May be a dumb question. Where is Slick? San Diego. Sales Job. Pretty much retired.
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Post by ajm on Jan 24, 2021 23:54:01 GMT -5
May be a dumb question. Where is Slick? San Diego. Sales Job. Pretty much retired. Hopefully selling something easier to sell than beach volleyball.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 25, 2021 0:19:51 GMT -5
This entire thread explains why many of us have slowly become more interested in following the women than the men. Erroneous! True for me. Much more fun to follow a group that are competitive on the world tour. Following the men you basically get 6 events plus maybe 2-3 internationally where the US men may be in contention. Women you get 6 plus almost every event on the FIVB.
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Post by beavis on Jan 25, 2021 3:23:30 GMT -5
Man, Guest2 and I sure have been agreeing alot lately - will wonders ever cease? :-)
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Post by Winbabywin on Jan 25, 2021 10:06:19 GMT -5
So why aren't we lobbying to get rid of the AVP all together? Just have the FIVB put the US under its umbrella. I prefer watching the men's game to the women's game, regardless of domestic results overseas. I want US teams of both genders to be successful. But when it comes down to simple watch-ability, I prefer the men's game. Obviously the women's game has exploded since it became a NCAA sport, which has got USAV all hot and bothered, with dollar signs in their eyes, making money hand over fist with the juniors. Perhaps if there were the same interest in developing young men, we would see more success internationally.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 25, 2021 11:21:56 GMT -5
So why aren't we lobbying to get rid of the AVP all together? Just have the FIVB put the US under its umbrella. I prefer watching the men's game to the women's game, regardless of domestic results overseas. I want US teams of both genders to be successful. But when it comes down to simple watch-ability, I prefer the men's game. Obviously the women's game has exploded since it became a NCAA sport, which has got USAV all hot and bothered, with dollar signs in their eyes, making money hand over fist with the juniors. Perhaps if there were the same interest in developing young men, we would see more success internationally. You miss the point, at least as it relates to me. With the AVP running maybe 5-6 full field events, once you get a feel for the teams, rivalries, matchups etc. its done. You see the teams you want to see maybe 5 times. Since the men's teams are almost never in international contention anymore, it means a 5 event season for most teams and no more than 7-8 even for the very best. (from a fan's perspective). That just isn't enough to hold that much interest. On the women's side, you get the 5 AVPs, then maybe another 5-10 events where following them is worthwhile. Slumps, highspots etc. all happen and generate interest as a fan. Then add that most of the AVP men are guys we have seen forever who are obviously on the downsides of their careers. Its not quite the same but when Fonoi came back for the one event, I liked watching that one match for nostalgia but I didnt have much interest in seeing him play another. Hyden, Patterson, Ed, Ryan a lot of the guys, are echoes of the players they once were. That can be interesting when its a Kerri or Karch trying to get one last run, but watching Casey Patterson try to eke out one more on an FIVB week just isn't that engaging.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 25, 2021 11:24:00 GMT -5
So why aren't we lobbying to get rid of the AVP all together? Just have the FIVB put the US under its umbrella. I prefer watching the men's game to the women's game, regardless of domestic results overseas. I want US teams of both genders to be successful. But when it comes down to simple watch-ability, I prefer the men's game. Obviously the women's game has exploded since it became a NCAA sport, which has got USAV all hot and bothered, with dollar signs in their eyes, making money hand over fist with the juniors. Perhaps if there were the same interest in developing young men, we would see more success internationally. I do agree to some extent, at least on the AVP. Even now with the depth of talent on the women's side, when it gets beyond the top 5 or 6 teams, I tend to lose interest at the AVP level for the women. Other than that though, internationally and among the elite US players the women are more interesting these days
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Post by Winbabywin on Jan 25, 2021 12:35:26 GMT -5
Perhaps more interesting as a discussion, but like I said, I would rather watch a run of the mill men's match than the same on the women's side. I think you actually made my point, instead of me missing it. Cancel the AVP, and have a domestic FIVB tour; they have deep enough pockets to run 8-10 (or so) events over here. The US folks would play and the foreign folks would come over too. Perhaps having more exposure domestically, from a foreign source, would lure more fellas to play beach volleyball instead of basketball, football baseball, etc. They can't become rich as a mid-level pro in another sport, but could make a good living playing this one. I agree that the US men, as a discussion point and in sheer numbers, are limited compared to the ladies; but outside of a premier matchup or event...I'm not making an appointment to watch women's beach volleyball. I'll watch a 10 seed take on a qualifier on the men's side, can't say I would do the same on the women's side, UNLESS it were a big event.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jan 25, 2021 13:14:21 GMT -5
I'd rather they boycott the FIVB, while still being able to send players to the Olympics. Find a real domestic sponsor and tv deal, get some of the college (Men) to go straight from indoor to the beach instead of playing 2nd or 3rd tier indoor abroad.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 25, 2021 13:26:43 GMT -5
I'd rather they boycott the FIVB, while still being able to send players to the Olympics. Find a real domestic sponsor and tv deal, get some of the college (Men) to go straight from indoor to the beach instead of playing 2nd or 3rd tier indoor abroad. This would be my choice too. Trying to do both undercuts any growth domestically, especially the men's side.
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Post by Winbabywin on Jan 25, 2021 13:34:33 GMT -5
I'd rather they boycott the FIVB, while still being able to send players to the Olympics. Find a real domestic sponsor and tv deal, get some of the college (Men) to go straight from indoor to the beach instead of playing 2nd or 3rd tier indoor abroad. Champagne wishes and caviar dreams unfortunately. A lot of people smarter than I, are trying and have tried to make US beach volleyball into something lucrative, for themselves as well as for the athletes. I really really hate this phrase, but right now, it just "Is what it is". We keep wanting the AVP to get better sponsors, better TV deals, bigger and better this and that. There are also very smart people running those TV companies and potential sponsors...if the viewers aren't there, they just aren't there. I want it to be huge, just like everyone on here, but I think managing our expectations is a wise course of action.
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