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Post by butteryhands on Jan 20, 2021 15:44:46 GMT -5
Since the partner thread has started to mention guys that are possibly done playing it made me think of the following questions.
Which players accomplished as much as possible with their given talent?
Conversely which players didn't meet the expectations that others may have thought they were capable of accomplishing.
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Post by ardatak on Jan 20, 2021 17:15:28 GMT -5
I think Phil could have won A LOT more with someone with a better sideout percentage. No offense to Nick. Love him. But when he tanks, boy does he tank.
I think Jake got the most out of his career. Great work ethic and a bit of luck with injuries and partners.
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Post by Winbabywin on Jan 20, 2021 20:55:50 GMT -5
Echo Jake
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Post by guest2 on Jan 20, 2021 21:20:09 GMT -5
I think Phil could have won A LOT more with someone with a better sideout percentage. No offense to Nick. Love him. But when he tanks, boy does he tank. I think Jake got the most out of his career. Great work ethic and a bit of luck with injuries and partners. Phil and Sean, the player with whom he should have had his most success, both belong on the list of those who didnt realize their potential. Some events they just blitzed the world, then others they folded at the first stiff breeze. Both guys suffered from an inability to play their best when it counted the most and an event that was sort of representative of both their failings as a team and as individuals was the Manhattan final where they lost to Fuerbringer/Jennings, a year after Matt retired. Also for this generation of players, definitely Mike Lambert, most due to injuries. For those who did, Jake, Todd also. Sean Scott for sure |
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Post by volleyballjim on Jan 20, 2021 22:32:46 GMT -5
I think Phil could have won A LOT more with someone with a better sideout percentage. No offense to Nick. Love him. But when he tanks, boy does he tank. I think Jake got the most out of his career. Great work ethic and a bit of luck with injuries and partners. Phil and Sean, the player with whom he should have had his most success, both belong on the list of those who didnt realize their potential. Some events they just blitzed the world, then others they folded at the first stiff breeze. Both guys suffered from an inability to play their best when it counted the most and an event that was sort of representative of both their failings as a team and as individuals was the Manhattan final where they lost to Fuerbringer/Jennings, a year after Matt retired. Also for this generation of players, definitely Mike Lambert, most due to injuries. For those who did, Jake, Todd also. Sean Scott for sure Yeah on Phil, but he "had his day" with Todd against a stacked FIVB field and that lasted a while. Would like info on Rosie's injuries during Phil-days as that might have been a factor, after Phil, it was pretty much a "dance card" each year....Trevor and he seemed pretty good. . but I defer to you on assessing that stuff! |
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Post by guest2 on Jan 20, 2021 23:34:49 GMT -5
Phil and Sean, the player with whom he should have had his most success, both belong on the list of those who didnt realize their potential. Some events they just blitzed the world, then others they folded at the first stiff breeze. Both guys suffered from an inability to play their best when it counted the most and an event that was sort of representative of both their failings as a team and as individuals was the Manhattan final where they lost to Fuerbringer/Jennings, a year after Matt retired. Also for this generation of players, definitely Mike Lambert, most due to injuries. For those who did, Jake, Todd also. Sean Scott for sure Yeah on Phil, but he "had his day" with Todd against a stacked FIVB field and that lasted a while. Would like info on Rosie's injuries during Phil-days as that might have been a factor, after Phil, it was pretty much a "dance card" each year....Trevor and he seemed pretty good. . but I defer to you on assessing that stuff! No reason to defer to me. You make a good point about Rosie's injuries, but I would say even before Phil, he should have been better/won more. Looking back on his career how did he only win 13 AVPs? Much less talented players, guys like Metzger, Patterson, Holdren, and especially Nick and Todd won as much as he did or more. (On the AVP anyway). Part inconsistent play (in 2013, 7 events with Phil and 1 win? 1 win?), part lousy decision making (3 years with Larry Witt?). After Phil dumped him, I think its fair to say injuries derailed what was left of his career but long before that he had failed to reach his potential. |
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Post by butteryhands on Jan 21, 2021 9:18:45 GMT -5
If I remember correctly both Phil and Rosie were going through some injury issues during their partnership. They also foolishly had Phil on the right at the beginning which totally took away the big weapon of him going on two.
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Post by Semp12 on Jan 21, 2021 11:09:32 GMT -5
Jake got a lot out of his career. But I have said it before, if his career wasn't so much of an overlap with Phil we may be talking about one of the best of all time. Sure he had his fair share of wins over Phil, but take Phil out of the picture and that is quite the career for a guy that many would not put in the GOAT conversation. Todd Rogers. At 6'2" it'd be hard to argue he should have had an even stronger career. Same with Scott as a blocker, he had a heck of a career. I'd also say Fonoimoana got the most out of his career as well, with that gold medal being a big deal. Lambert is definitely in the conversation for what could have been without injuries. He was at the peak in his prime. Roumain is another one of what could have been if he could stay healthy. Keep going back, imagine if USAV had some beach support for someone like Rooney who was such a good indoor player. If I remember correctly both Phil and Rosie were going through some injury issues during their partnership. They also foolishly had Phil on the right at the beginning which totally took away the big weapon of him going on two. The one note is that Phil really didn't utilize the over on two much so leaving the player who is getting served on their dominant side does make sense on some levels. |
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