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Post by cindra on Jan 24, 2021 23:04:44 GMT -5
Neither of them deserved to be killed. We finally agree. What is the person killed that was ran over? I didn’t see that? ?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 24, 2021 23:08:19 GMT -5
We finally agree. What is the person killed that was ran over? I didn’t see that? ? Was the person who was ran over by the police car killed or injured? I don’t know? Thank you for the discussion Cindra. I appreciate it
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Post by cindra on Jan 24, 2021 23:10:47 GMT -5
Was the person who was ran over by the police car killed or injured? I don’t know? Thank you for the discussion Cindra. I appreciate it I think just injured, but I haven't seen any updates since last night
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Post by BearClause on Jan 24, 2021 23:20:31 GMT -5
Was the person who was ran over by the police car killed or injured? I don’t know? Thank you for the discussion Cindra. I appreciate it I think just injured, but I haven't seen any updates since last night Last I heard that person was in the hospital, but there are no reports on specific injuries. I'm guessing this is all subject to HIPAA unless someone dies - which they can report. But I'm thinking that getting one's torso run over by a Ford Explorer is pretty bad. Didn't some witnesses say that he saw tire tracks on him? It certainly looked like something that could be potentially fatal.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 24, 2021 23:33:15 GMT -5
It's a bit much to say that someone who was participating in a violent coup attempt that did in fact result in the deaths of four participants plus a police officer "was not endangering a single soul". You know, we have this concept called "felony murder", where if you are engaging in a felony and someone dies because of it, you can be charged with murder.
What is it that one of our conservative posters here kept saying all summer ... something like "play stupid games; win stupid prizes"? Seems like if that applies to anybody, it applies to someone who was trying to violently break into the chambers of the US House Of Representatives.
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Post by BearClause on Jan 25, 2021 1:45:26 GMT -5
It's a bit much to say that someone who was participating in a violent coup attempt that did in fact result in the deaths of four participants plus a police officer "was not endangering a single soul". You know, we have this concept called "felony murder", where if you are engaging in a felony and someone dies because of it, you can be charged with murder. What is it that one of our conservative posters here kept saying all summer ... something like "play stupid games; win stupid prizes"? Seems like if that applies to anybody, it applies to someone who was trying to violently break into the chambers of the US House Of Representatives. It requires seeing the totality of the situation. Members of Congress were still in the House Chamber. Barricaded door. Can anyone with a straight face say that it wasn't an angry mob when they're bashing in the windows and manage to break one down enough for someone to climb through? But in Tacoma I see something done that at least on its face looks like a completely disproportionate action. He ran over someone who was 20 feet away from supposed threats to his safety. If I'm afraid that someone is threatening me in my car, do I have the right to mow down people in the crosswalk in front of me by claiming that I was in fear for my safety? I also got a look at how someone managed to be under the car. Originally I thought that maybe he slid under the car after being knocked down. No. He was hit directly by the front bumper, got knocked down, was run over by the right front tire, and then again by the right rear tire. The driver was using the crowd as human bowling pins. I just found this video of the scene taken right next to the police vehicle. It shows the police vehicle arriving on the scene. When it goes further there are a few people slapping on the vehicle body. I count about 6-7 seconds of this with maybe 16 slaps. So that's what the officer meant by fear for his life? The person taking the video then chases down the police vehicle and the video clearly shows the guy who got run over. There's no blood, but I'm thinking probably broken bones and possibly damaged organs. It's not pleasant but frankly not that gory. This officer is getting fired and possibly going to prison. This video seeing this audio/angle I just don't see any justification for gunning the engine and running over someone. The police statement says that the officer claimed that he tried to back up, but none of the video taken shows that there was any crowd behind the vehicle. It backs up for 2 feet and stops. Then the engine is gunned before taking off. It sounds like a drag race start with the brake down with the accelerator revving the engine. Lift the brake and it takes off.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 25, 2021 2:11:43 GMT -5
It's a bit much to say that someone who was participating in a violent coup attempt that did in fact result in the deaths of four participants plus a police officer "was not endangering a single soul". You know, we have this concept called "felony murder", where if you are engaging in a felony and someone dies because of it, you can be charged with murder. What is it that one of our conservative posters here kept saying all summer ... something like "play stupid games; win stupid prizes"? Seems like if that applies to anybody, it applies to someone who was trying to violently break into the chambers of the US House Of Representatives. I’m sorry, I’m still shocked that there is actually another conservative poster. Are they still on this board?God bless them, they tried to last
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 25, 2021 2:15:19 GMT -5
It's a bit much to say that someone who was participating in a violent coup attempt that did in fact result in the deaths of four participants plus a police officer "was not endangering a single soul". You know, we have this concept called "felony murder", where if you are engaging in a felony and someone dies because of it, you can be charged with murder. What is it that one of our conservative posters here kept saying all summer ... something like "play stupid games; win stupid prizes"? Seems like if that applies to anybody, it applies to someone who was trying to violently break into the chambers of the US House Of Representatives. It requires seeing the totality of the situation. Members of Congress were still in the House Chamber. Barricaded door. Can anyone with a straight face say that it wasn't an angry mob when they're bashing in the windows and manage to break one down enough for someone to climb through? But in Tacoma I see something done that at least on its face looks like a completely disproportionate action. He ran over someone who was 20 feet away from supposed threats to his safety. If I'm afraid that someone is threatening me in my car, do I have the right to mow down people in the crosswalk in front of me by claiming that I was in fear for my safety? I also got a look at how someone managed to be under the car. Originally I thought that maybe he slid under the car after being knocked down. No. He was hit directly by the front bumper, got knocked down, was run over by the right front tire, and then again by the right rear tire. The driver was using the crowd as human bowling pins. I just found this video of the scene taken right next to the police vehicle. It shows the police vehicle arriving on the scene. When it goes further there are a few people slapping on the vehicle body. I count about 6-7 seconds of this with maybe 16 slaps. So that's what the officer meant by fear for his life? The person taking the video then chases down the police vehicle and the video clearly shows the guy who got run over. There's no blood, but I'm thinking probably broken bones and possibly damaged organs. It's not pleasant but frankly not that gory. This officer is getting fired and possibly going to prison. This video seeing this audio/angle I just don't see any justification for gunning the engine and running over someone. The police statement says that the officer claimed that he tried to back up, but none of the video taken shows that there was any crowd behind the vehicle. It backs up for 2 feet and stops. Then the engine is gunned before taking off. It sounds like a drag race start with the brake down with the accelerator revving the engine. Lift the brake and it takes off. you keep producing videos that make the idiots on the street look even worse. There’s evidence of them beating on the car. You couldn’t pay me $10 million a year to be a police officer in the north west. You people deserve to have your cities burned down.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 25, 2021 11:06:31 GMT -5
IMO the driver just lost it. Road rage happens to cops, too.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 25, 2021 11:10:36 GMT -5
Mob dynamics are pretty crazy. It's impossible to say for sure that the crowd wouldn't have psyched themselves up to do more than they did. But this is why police are trained to de-escalate situations. Call for backup, retreat from the danger, etc. IMO, it looks like this driver just lost his cool and said "f*ck 'em" and ran right over those people out of anger.
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Post by n00b on Jan 25, 2021 11:28:17 GMT -5
So the woman breaking into the capital although she was not endangering a single soul, deserve to be killed, but the person obstructing a police car from doing his duty does not deserved to be killed. Who can argue with that kind of mentality Neither of them deserved to be killed. If the standard is ‘deserved’, the answer is no. Never. Even the absolute worst of crimes, at a minimum I’d want the person arrested, tried and MAYBE get the death penalty. However, there is a whole other category where you can act in a way that results in your death, even if others are acting reasonably. While Babbitt didn’t ‘deserve’ to be killed, her actions caused a completely warranted shooting by the Capitol Police (or whoever it was). She forced that person into a decision - do I compromise the safety of the people I’m here to protect or do I shoot this woman climbing through a window that she just broke through? While the Babbitt shooting was MUCH more justified than this, these clowns are putting this officer in a similar situation. Every person has their own breaking point when concern over your own personal safety trumps respect for others. Unless he meant to put his car in reverse and accidentally went forward, this officer’s line is clearly too low for this line of work. He should get fired and charged. However, I also don’t feel bad for the idiots who put themselves in harm’s way.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 25, 2021 11:33:09 GMT -5
Should be charged with what? Driving for his life? Another Republican apologist, and this is the reason we have mobs like this is because people excuse it.
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Post by moody on Jan 25, 2021 11:43:23 GMT -5
Should be charged with what? Driving for his life? Another Republican apologist, and this is the reason we have mobs like this is because people excuse it. Reverse was an option, hoolie/df/troll.
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Post by BearClause on Jan 25, 2021 12:15:06 GMT -5
Mob dynamics are pretty crazy. It's impossible to say for sure that the crowd wouldn't have psyched themselves up to do more than they did. But this is why police are trained to de-escalate situations. Call for backup, retreat from the danger, etc. IMO, it looks like this driver just lost his cool and said "f*ck 'em" and ran right over those people out of anger. It was easy enough to count the approximate time he was stopped there, which is around 15 seconds. The whole "beat up on his car" nonsense is just that. It's pretty mild. What he did next was just crazy. It's clearly not justifiable given the situation.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 25, 2021 12:22:09 GMT -5
Mob dynamics are pretty crazy. It's impossible to say for sure that the crowd wouldn't have psyched themselves up to do more than they did. But this is why police are trained to de-escalate situations. Call for backup, retreat from the danger, etc. IMO, it looks like this driver just lost his cool and said "f*ck 'em" and ran right over those people out of anger. It was easy enough to count the approximate time he was stopped there, which is around 15 seconds. The whole "beat up on his car" nonsense is just that. It's pretty mild. What he did next was just crazy. It's clearly not justifiable given the situation. Again, I guess the policeman was supposed to try to back up, even though he couldn’t see, he could’ve possibly ran over people going that way, but it’s all his fault when people started beating on his car that he tried to get out of there. Your mentality as Democrats is something to behold. I have never seen anything like it.
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