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Jan 25, 2021 21:45:20 GMT -5
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 25, 2021 21:45:20 GMT -5
Which, means nothing except a little trophy . Congratulations on your trophy. Maybe someone will take your picture Just another example of your incredible ignorance. I almost feel bad for you. You have a wonderful evening my friend
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Post by moody on Jan 25, 2021 21:48:45 GMT -5
Just another example of your incredible ignorance. I almost feel bad for you. You have a wonderful evening my friend You are nobody's friend. You are an easy punching bag for all those around you. I am sad for just how pathetic your life is.
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Jan 25, 2021 21:50:32 GMT -5
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 25, 2021 21:50:32 GMT -5
You have a wonderful evening my friend You are nobody's friend. You are an easy punching bag for all those around you. I am sad for just how pathetic your life is. If you are an example of the person who punches my bag? I think my chances are excellent. Good night.
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Post by moody on Jan 25, 2021 21:52:44 GMT -5
You are nobody's friend. You are an easy punching bag for all those around you. I am sad for just how pathetic your life is. If you are an example of the person who punches my bag? I think my chances are excellent. Good night. and off goes hoolie/df/troll wandering off to bed, patting himself on the back, once again bragging to himself that he "owned the libs." Pathetic.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2021 9:24:54 GMT -5
Not that I disagree, really, but did something in particular prompt this post? Before our resident nitwits ruined yet *another* thread, I was mostly aggravated with the GOP filibustering to keep Democrats from taking their gavels and Machine/Sinema deciding they'd rather side with McConnell over allowing their party to pass anything useful. We all know Manchin's schtick, but at least he can credibly threaten to switch parties. He'd almost certainly survive a GOP primary in WV. Sinema, though? She acts like literally any median Democrat wouldn't win her seat. Too much of a coward to answer in four years for a couple votes now that nobody will remember. We need to turn the whole thing into an American House of Lords.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 26, 2021 9:39:51 GMT -5
Not that I disagree, really, but did something in particular prompt this post? Before our resident nitwits ruined yet *another* thread, I was mostly aggravated with the GOP filibustering to keep Democrats from taking their gavels and Machine/Sinema deciding they'd rather side with McConnell over allowing their party to pass anything useful. We all know Manchin's schtick, but at least he can credibly threaten to switch parties. He'd almost certainly survive a GOP primary in WV. Sinema, though? She acts like literally any median Democrat wouldn't win her seat. Too much of a coward to answer in four years for a couple votes now that nobody will remember. We need to turn the whole thing into an American House of Lords. I assume you don't mean a house of nobility, but rather a house that has very limited input into legislation. (Although given the US predilection for electing the sons and daughters of former politicians, having hereditary officeholders isn't that far-fetched. We had a span of 20 years when every President was named Bush or Clinton, and another Bush and another Clinton both ran for President since then.)
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 26, 2021 10:16:12 GMT -5
There are other Democrats that are opposed to ending the filibuster in principal - including Biden (likely).
As far as 'gavels' - this is the precedent set by the 2001 compromise Republicans made with Reid when we last had a 50-50 senate.
The senate is in place in part to prevent wild swings in policy with a different ruling party - although this has just been replaced with Executive Orders which has greatly reduced the role of congress. And the Democrats will have the use of getting stuff through via reconciliation.
At least the Democratic party has reached 60 seats this century - something the Republicans have never had.
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Post by gobruins on Jan 26, 2021 10:31:50 GMT -5
There are other Democrats that are opposed to ending the filibuster in principal - including Biden (likely). As far as 'gavels' - this is the precedent set by the 2001 compromise Republicans made with Reid when we last had a 50-50 senate. The senate is in place in part to prevent wild swings in policy with a different ruling party - although this has just been replaced with Executive Orders which has greatly reduced the role of congress. And the Democrats will have the use of getting stuff through via reconciliation. At least the Democratic party has reached 60 seats this century - something the Republicans have never had. The Democrats reached 60 votes for a whole two months! Because of the very close, and disputed vote in Minnesota, Al Franken wasn't seated until July of 2009. Less than two months later, Ted Kennedy died, and so did the Democrats 60 vote margin.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2021 11:30:30 GMT -5
As far as 'gavels' - this is the precedent set by the 2001 compromise Republicans made with Reid when we last had a 50-50 senate. Uh huh. The Senate of 2021 is far different than the one in 2001. It's going to go nuclear at some point, might as well be now. The Senate is in place to protect minority rule. It's a bad institution and is standing in the way of necessary government action.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 26, 2021 11:33:26 GMT -5
It stands in the way of 'progressive' government action - depends on one's perspective on whether this is necessary.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2021 11:36:57 GMT -5
It stands in the way of 'progressive' government action - depends on one's perspective on whether this is necessary. It stands in the way of *any* government action. It's a paralyzed institution.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2021 11:40:24 GMT -5
I have to say it was hilarious watching Portman resign because of the gridlock, rather than, ya know, force his own party to actually govern.
The Senate's paralysis doesn't even relate to the inability to pass bills, it's that McConnell prevents bills from being brought to the floor for an up or down. Portman sure appreciated being shielded for being accountable from those votes before, but now can't be assed to do anything once he realizes how damaging it is. The GOP - the party of no responsibility.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2021 11:51:44 GMT -5
I have to say it was hilarious watching Portman resign because of the gridlock, rather than, ya know, force his own party to actually govern. The Senate's paralysis doesn't even relate to the inability to pass bills, it's that McConnell prevents bills from being brought to the floor for an up or down. Portman sure appreciated being shielded for being accountable from those votes before, but now can't be assed to do anything once he realizes how damaging it is. The GOP - the party of no responsibility. Forgive me if I'm skeptical that there's a bunch of Democratic Senators who are interested in actually legislating, either. Manchin and Sinema could have struck a deal with Schumer instead of McConnell. Is there nothing WV and AZ need? Very few of them want to actually take hard votes.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 26, 2021 11:57:13 GMT -5
The Senate works great for one thing -- a minority of the country stopping the majority from doing what they want to do.
Some people, especially those who either don't trust democracy or who are part of the current minority, think this is a good thing. Others, who do trust democracy, think this is a bad thing.
What's particularly frustrating here is that McConnell has already shown that he has no respect for the minority party if it's not him. He was quick as lightning to do away with the filibuster whenever he wanted to when he had the majority. But now that he doesn't have it anymore, he's crying about the precious rights of the minority.
Just look at how he used majority power to (unconstitutionally) deny Obama the right to nominate federal judges (including for the Supreme Court), and then used it to ram through federal judges under Trump. And now he talks about how precious the Senate "deliberative" process is (meaning he doesn't want the Democrats to do to him what he did to them).
Just six months ago he was openly laughing about how he was going to ignore his own precedent of not nominating a SCOTUS judge in the last year before an election. Now he's all "but the Senate, but the filibuster, but unity...."
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 26, 2021 12:19:28 GMT -5
Senate is suppose to be in place to stop a narrow majority from raming anything they want through congress. I don't consider this a bad thing.
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