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Post by mintonetteman on Oct 5, 2021 16:16:05 GMT -5
Has the good pass percentage been fairly constant across the season, or has it improved as the season has gone along? I thought the OP meant the latter. Though I agree with you that the additions of Gneiting and Koerber, as well as Bower's continued excellence, are what's improving the offense. 44.3% through the first 7 matches. 42.9% through the last 8. What game was the Pitt match...Pitt without Ballard-Nixon and the last matches without Anderson IMO make a difference. This is not a knock on the Freshman...but, they are Freshman. |
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Post by jwvolley on Oct 5, 2021 16:30:10 GMT -5
BYU starting lineup now compared to the spring? Are there other additions beside Koerber? 2018 NFOY Gneiting is back |
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Post by kk1971 on Oct 5, 2021 16:30:23 GMT -5
I appreciate kk1971's excite for 2023--BYU always gets top volleyball recruits--some pan out some do not. For some reason rankings mean less for BYU kids (this year is great example if you look at the pins). I am excited for each year but really excited about the length we are getting over the next two years on the pins and in the middle--but I am really hoping BYU actually figures out how to bring in impact back row players (or I will be saying the same thing). It feels like a long long long time--since we had Mary Lack (plus one other sold DS). We have to be better at developing kids in serve receive--not sure what the issue is here (to GMS oriented, I honestly don't know). I see it differently than kk1971, This team's weakness is not hitting--nor outsides. Our hitting percentages as noted are really really good--and what we are doing that despite the fact that our passing is way below average (and our setter looks like she walked out of the ER). Our middles hitting percentages (especially Gneiting) are near the top in the country--but you have to put your setter in a position to use them. I don't care what BWF2 says about the passing stats--they are the one volleyball stat IMO that are truly subjective and easily manipulated. It doesn't take someone who has any volleyball knowledge to watch this team and see who they target or who struggles at passing (and how they can target those players depending on rotations). We have not had hitters like this since RJPs senior year and I worry we will waste it if we do't make significant improvements in our serve receive. We have been able to pull Ballard-Nixon out of serve receive and largely replaced her with Koerber who has been pretty solid (not saying she hasn't had her struggles, just not as frequently as Ballard-Nixon or Robison the year before). Plus she is the best back row attack we have had since RJP. Biggest problem...when we played good teams this year our passing looked really bad...when we play weak teams (2/3rds of our conference schedule) we look competent and think "all is well." |
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Post by mintonetteman on Oct 5, 2021 16:54:02 GMT -5
44.3% through the first 7 matches. 42.9% through the last 8. Interesting. Thanks for the response. Are we taking the same thing. Passing percentage is simply Reception Error v. Receipts. Not a good stat and means very little. Do you have that in a 3 point scale (3 setter has three hitting options). Plus, that is NOT good if thats what it is. Per the thread below the Big 10's worst was in the 90%s. I will say we don't completely shank as many passes this year...but I don't think we are any better than we were last year. volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/23194/good-serve-receive-percentage |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 5, 2021 16:58:04 GMT -5
Interesting. Thanks for the response. Are we taking the same thing. Passing percentage is simply Reception Error v. Receipts. Not a good stat and means very little. Do you have that in a 3 point scale (3 setter has three hitting options). Plus, that is NOT good if thats what it is. Per the thread below the Big 10's worst was in the 90%s. I will say we don't completely shank as many passes this year...but I don't think we are any better than we were last year. volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/23194/good-serve-receive-percentageHe's talking about a VolleyMetrics stat. I agree that the passing remains a concern, though I suppose if we aren't shanking as many passes, that's probably still a net improvement because Bower is a good enough setter to deal with subpar passing as long as it's not truly terrible. Koerber is also a nice outlet for out-of-system sets. I think having suspect passing in volleyball is like having a suspect offensive line in football. If it's an absolutely catastrophe, then you just can't win. But if it's merely mediocre (e.g. 2008 Steelers, Super Bowl champs), the right QB or setter can work around it. I guess we'll see. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 5, 2021 17:24:38 GMT -5
BYU starting lineup now compared to the spring? Are there other additions beside Koerber? It's pretty close to the same lineup. The main differences are that Koerber is playing six rotations at opposite, and Gneiting is back in the middle. Also, there have been some changes in the back row, as Gretchen Reinert and Aria McComber (both transfers) are handling the DS duties for the most part. Bower is still the setter, and Ballard-Nixon and Livingston are still the outsides. Eschenberg is still the other middle blocker, and Hifo is still the serve specialist. |
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Post by mintonetteman on Oct 6, 2021 15:59:15 GMT -5
Hey, I just hope we turn out to be "mediocre." Do you or bwf2 know the formula behind the volleymetric stat used by BYU. It can't be what what I am thinking Reception Error/Receives (thus measuring how often a team or player is aced)--at least I really hope not. I am thinking it has to be a similar formula with how often a player passes as 2 or better -- problem with the 3 point scale is that it is HIGHLY subjective (most manipulated state in all of volleyball). Plus, it is influenced by having a Bower or Gabriel (Texas) type setter that can literally track down anything other than a absolute shank.
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Post by Zazu on Oct 8, 2021 13:39:20 GMT -5
Heather Olmstead on BYU Sports Nation Thursday morning talking about her Dad's diagnosis with and treatment for breast cancer (and volleyball) prior to the match against Portland yesterday, which was a pink out for breast cancer awareness.
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Post by Zazu on Oct 8, 2021 13:58:37 GMT -5
Highlights from last night's match, including my favorite moment, the ace by Kennedy Eschenberg on match point. They finally let her serve!
Highlights from Saturday's match against Gonzaga.
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Hey, I just hope we turn out to be "mediocre." Do you or bwf2 know the formula behind the volleymetric stat used by BYU. It can't be what what I am thinking Reception Error/Receives (thus measuring how often a team or player is aced)--at least I really hope not. I am thinking it has to be a similar formula with how often a player passes as 2 or better -- problem with the 3 point scale is that it is HIGHLY subjective (most manipulated state in all of volleyball). Plus, it is influenced by having a Bower or Gabriel (Texas) type setter that can literally track down anything other than a absolute shank. You just hope we turn out “mediocre”? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 5:57:18 GMT -5
I am very excited for the rest of this year with this team. I know we haven’t had the schedule we all hoped for, but I believe this team has so much potential in the post-season. I was rewatching our spring match vs. Wisconsin and WOW. This team looks a million times better. We have made some drastic improvements in many statistical categories this season. People will say that it is because of our easy schedule and I definitely agree to an extent, but our schedule is a lot tougher than it ever could have been during the spring season playing only in conference matchups. Many of the teams BYU has beat this season actually fall within the top 50 current RPI. I think there actually is a benefit to starting conference schedule with the easier teams because the cougs have been ROLLING and gaining so much momentum and I feel like they will head into there next few matches with a lot of confidence. We will learn a lot about this team this weekend and I’m looking forward to it! Particularly looking forward to how this team does receiving ahren’s serve. Gonzaga is the second best serving team in the WCC and BYU handled them easily, but it will be interesting to see how they fare against the best SERVER in the WCC and if they can side out quickly. I tend to agree with observations made above about BYU’s passing being the determining factor for how far we go. While I was concerned more about a terminal pin earlier on, I believe our outsides have actually proven themselves a lot this season and made huge strides. I think they have shown that if we can stay in system, they will put the ball away. Having both outsides hitting near the .300 mark is actually outstanding. I have confidence we will improve our passing to the point where we can compete with anyone.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 12, 2021 18:54:41 GMT -5
Since BYU's non-conference schedule was disappointingly light, it's hard for me to say what their ceiling is, but they have been crushing their competition recently. BYU continues to lead the country in hitting percentage at .337. They also lowered their opponent hitting percentage to .106, but they slipped to second in that category because Delaware State lowered their opponent hitting percentage even more. That 231-point differential is massive (for reference, the 2018 team had a differential of 161 points), though it will be interesting to see how it holds up with three tough matches in a row coming up next.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 13, 2021 16:00:05 GMT -5
Since BYU's non-conference schedule was disappointingly light, it's hard for me to say what their ceiling is, but they have been crushing their competition recently. BYU continues to lead the country in hitting percentage at .337. They also lowered their opponent hitting percentage to .106, but they slipped to second in that category because Delaware State lowered their opponent hitting percentage even more. That 231-point differential is massive (for reference, the 2018 team had a differential of 161 points), though it will be interesting to see how it holds up with three tough matches in a row coming up next. The team's social media manager appears to have noticed this. |
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