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Post by tamz on Mar 12, 2021 10:15:48 GMT -5
www.fivb.com/en/beachvolleyball/rankingmenAs of March 12th, 2021 and pending FIVB to update the list on Monday. Cribb - 6680 currently --> 7000 points Dalcena - 5840 currently --> 6400 points T2 - 6360 (unchanged) After Cancun Hub 1 (see individual posts for points breakdown):Cribb - 7000 currently --> 7040 points (+40) Dalcena - 6400 currently --> 6560 points (+160) T2 - 6360 currently --> 6440 points (+80) After Cancun Hub 2 (see individual posts for points breakdown):Cribb - 7040 currently (NO CHANGE) (+0) Dalcena - 6560 currently --> 6720 points (+160) T2 - 6440 currently --> 6480 points (+40) After Cancun Hub 3 (see individual posts for points breakdown):Cribb - 7040 currently (NO CHANGE) (+0) Dalcena - 6720 currently --> 7040 points (+320) (that's a massive jump) T2 - 6480 currently --> 6600 points (+120) After Sochi (see individual posts for points breakdown):Cribb - 7040 currently (NO CHANGE) (+0) Dalcena - 7040 currently (NO CHANGE) (+0) T2 - 6600 currently --> 6680 points (+80) After Ostrava (see individual posts for points breakdown):Cribb - 7040 currently (NO CHANGE) - Have clinched 1st spotDalcena - 7040 currently (NO CHANGE) - Have clinched 2nd spotT2 - 6680 currently (NO CHANGE) - Mathematically eliminated from an Olympics berth
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Post by tamz on Mar 12, 2021 10:22:19 GMT -5
Cribb: Las Vegas - 480 Sydney - 360 Xiamen - 400 Hamburg WC - 800 Gstaad - 600 Espinho - 320 Tokyo - 300 Vienna - 600 Moscow - 400 Rome - 840 *Boca Chica - 600 Chetumal - 800 Doha - 480 Doha - 640
Olympics Ranking Points: 7000 points Total Played: 14 events Total Points: 7620 points Average: 544 points/event
Lowest Finishes: 320 & 300, which equates to having to get a 9th place finish or better at 4* events to add more points to their Olympics ranking points
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Post by tamz on Mar 12, 2021 10:28:20 GMT -5
Dalcena: Doha - 720 Xiamen - 240 Jinjiang - 480 Warsaw - 320 Hamburg WC - 960 Gstaad - 600 Espinho - 240 Tokyo - 480 Vienna - 840 Rome - 480 Doha - 480 Doha - 560
Olympics Ranking Points: 6400 points Total Played: 12 events Total Points: 6400 points Average: 533 points/event
Lowest Finishes: (2)-240, which equates to having to break pool or better at 4* events to add more points to their Olympics ranking points
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Post by ajm on Mar 12, 2021 11:36:14 GMT -5
If Dalcena plays like their four wins this week going forward they have nothing to worry about. If they play like their three losses, T2 should be able to move back ahead without much difficulty.
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Post by tamz on Mar 12, 2021 11:42:43 GMT -5
I’m still working on T2’s. I didn’t forget about them 😅
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Post by wilbur on Mar 12, 2021 12:50:23 GMT -5
If Dalcena plays like their four wins this week going forward they have nothing to worry about. If they play like their three losses, T2 should be able to move back ahead without much difficulty. Does T2 need to play any differently than they did the last 4 weeks in socal?
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Post by tenderpaw on Mar 12, 2021 13:57:32 GMT -5
If Dalcena plays like their four wins this week going forward they have nothing to worry about. If they play like their three losses, T2 should be able to move back ahead without much difficulty. Regardless of how Dalhausser/Lucena play I am skeptical that T2 will be able to do anything in the FIVB "without much difficulty" unless they start beating teams like Schalk/Brunner consistently.
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Post by KAP on Mar 12, 2021 14:12:12 GMT -5
T2's worst 3 finishes are 320, 360, and 360 points, while Dalcenan's are 240, 240, and 320. That's a difference of 240 points, or 3 places higher in a 4*. I doubt that either team will finish in the top 5 in all 5 tournaments left, so if they each only improve 3 finishes from here on out, T2 will essentially have to average one place higher finishes than Dalcena. If Tri/Trev can manage to podium in the first tournament and Phil/Nick take a 9th, that would pretty much make it a dead heat. They have to be really glad that Phil/Nick played so poorly their last two matches, because if they had made the gold medal match, it would be looking a lot bleaker for them now.
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Post by tamz on Mar 12, 2021 14:21:27 GMT -5
T2: Qinzhou - 600 Las Vegas - 560 Doha - 320 Itapema - 480 Jinjiang - 560 Ostrava -320 Warsaw - 320 Hamburg WC - 1120 Gstaad - 360 Tokyo - 480 Vienna - 480 Rome - 360 Chetumal - 640 Doha - 400
Olympics Ranking Points: 6360 points Total Played: 14 events Total Points: 6680 points Average: 477 points/event
Lowest Finishes: (1)-320, (2)-360 which equates to having to place 9th or better at 4* events to add more points to their Olympics ranking points
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Post by tamz on Mar 12, 2021 14:24:06 GMT -5
T2's worst 3 finishes are 320, 360, and 360 points, while Dalcenan's are 240, 240, and 320. That's a difference of 240 points, or 3 places higher in a 4*. I doubt that either team will finish in the top 5 in all 5 tournaments left, so if they each only improve 3 finishes from here on out, T2 will essentially have to average one place higher finishes than Dalcena from here on out. If Tri/Trev can manage to podium in the first tournament and Phil/Nick take a 9th, that would pretty much make it a dead heat. They have to be really glad that Phil/Nick played so poorly their last two matches, because if they had made the gold medal match, it would be looking a lot bleaker for them now. Trevor and Tri probably texted Taylor: Good job bro! But THANK YOU. LOL
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Post by KAP on Mar 12, 2021 14:25:59 GMT -5
I know that money wise 3* tournaments aren't really worth it for the players, but with how the points work, I'm surprised more teams didn't go to them. Winning a 3* is 600 points. For reference, Cribb's average finish towards their Olympic points is 583, Dalcena's is 533, and T2's is 530. 4th place at a 4* is 560 points, but competition wise its so much harder than winning a 3*.
T2 is still holding onto their 600 points from winning the Quinzhou 3* right when Tri was coming back and the qualification period just started. Besides their World Champs points and their bronze from Chetumal, that is their next highest point finish. Cribb were smart to go to the NORCECA Championships. They awarded 3* level points, and they had no competition. Easiest 600 points anyone has earned.
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Post by tamz on Mar 12, 2021 14:49:13 GMT -5
I know that money wise 3* tournaments aren't really worth it for the players, but with how the points work, I'm surprised more teams didn't go to them. Winning a 3* is 600 points. For reference, Cribb's average finish towards their Olympic points is 583, Dalcena's is 533, and T2's is 530. 4th place at a 4* is 560 points, but competition wise its so much harder than winning a 3*. T2 is still holding onto their 600 points from winning the Quinzhou 3* right when Tri was coming back and the qualification period just started. Besides their World Champs points and their bronze from Chetumal, that is their next highest point finish. Cribb were smart to go to the NORCECA Championships. They awarded 3* level points, and they had no competition. Easiest 600 points anyone has earned. Agreed. Cribb was on the outside looking in with questionable events skipped mid-2019 season, but by the end of the season, they gained 800 points for winning Chetumal and 600 for the NORCECA Champs, and still riding on that. Props to them as I would say they are pretty much qualified.
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Post by KAP on Mar 12, 2021 14:56:23 GMT -5
I know that money wise 3* tournaments aren't really worth it for the players, but with how the points work, I'm surprised more teams didn't go to them. Winning a 3* is 600 points. For reference, Cribb's average finish towards their Olympic points is 583, Dalcena's is 533, and T2's is 530. 4th place at a 4* is 560 points, but competition wise its so much harder than winning a 3*. T2 is still holding onto their 600 points from winning the Quinzhou 3* right when Tri was coming back and the qualification period just started. Besides their World Champs points and their bronze from Chetumal, that is their next highest point finish. Cribb were smart to go to the NORCECA Championships. They awarded 3* level points, and they had no competition. Easiest 600 points anyone has earned. Agreed. Cribb was on the outside looking in with questionable events skipped mid-2019 season, but by the end of the season, they gained 800 points for winning Chetumal and 600 for the NORCECA Champs, and still riding on that. Props to them as I would say they are pretty much qualified. Agreed! They finished 2019 strong, especially when you throw in their 4th place finish at World Tour Finals.
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Post by ajm on Mar 12, 2021 15:20:37 GMT -5
If Dalcena plays like their four wins this week going forward they have nothing to worry about. If they play like their three losses, T2 should be able to move back ahead without much difficulty. Regardless of how Dalhausser/Lucena play I am skeptical that T2 will be able to do anything in the FIVB "without much difficulty" unless they start beating teams like Schalk/Brunner consistently. They’ve beaten plenty of FIVB teams of that caliber over the last couple years which is how they got to be #14 in the world. But maybe there’s an injury that we don’t know about or perhaps they’ve just been lucky all along.
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Post by haze on Mar 12, 2021 15:51:55 GMT -5
IMHO Tri has changed as a player with Trevor. He used to be very business oriented with Hyden and showed emotion after winning big points. Since playing with Trevor he has become more flamboyant and brash and consistently he is all over the place. Maybe Hyden's look to the next point approach was better for Hyden's persona, but at some point I think he needs to figure out who he and what's best for his game is instead of chameleoning to his partner's demeaner. Trevor is Trevor and it fits him, but if Tri could become more business oriented like he was with Hyden they become more consistent they could be a really dangerous team.
Really hope they can get back into qualifying an we see both the Crabb bros at the Olympics.
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