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Post by timvb17 on May 6, 2021 5:09:44 GMT -5
Yes, the qualification process isn't great.
But I wondered: Aren't the two men's teams that are going to qualify the two best teams right now?
In direct contest nick and Phil win most of the time against the other two. And Jake and Taylor win more often than not against tri and trev.
And to be honest, the only team that can get on a roll and really pressure the top 5 can be nick and Phil. And even for them it's not likely at all.
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Post by guest2 on May 6, 2021 5:47:23 GMT -5
Even though the Olympic qualification process has its weaknesses (especially in this 3 year Covid-period - but who saw this coming?) I don't get the sentiment of needing to strengthening the national tours. Who wants to see Mol/Sorum against the 16th ranked team of Norway? Who wants to see Bourne/Crabb playing against Ratledge & partner? Also the NBA comparison doesn't really fit. You can rather compare Beach Volleyball to Tennis from a tour structure. Our national tour needs strengthening because it is T2 versus Ed. A healthy tour would have pushed Ed out of the main draw a while ago but we simply don't have good young players to do it. But I also think the FIVB needs strengthening. Also I disagree that the NBA comparison doesn't fit because. The point of that comparison is that one of the most consistent drivers of interest in NBA from a fan's perspective is teams changing. Every year the trade deadline is huge news, the free agency period attracts massive interest, and inter-team dynamics are constantly discussed and debated. Sometimes it seems like at least a third of the stories, podcasts, etc. about the NBA don't even touch on the games, they are talking about players changing teams, contracts, etc. All that would be lost if the teams were simply locked into the same players for two years at a time, it would be a disaster for the NBA. The same type of things used to drive interest in BVB. When Stoklos/Smith started losing half the media and fan conversation was about when Stoklos would make a change, who the new partner would be, etc. Then when he picked up Lewy and there were half a dozen new teams, everyone wanted to see those new teams play. Similar things used to happen every year. Now they don't. Partnerships rarely change because of the Olympics and it hurts the sport generally and both national and FIVB tours. Wouldn't the FIVB be stronger if Kerri Walsh was in regular contention? Of course it would. Does anyone really want to see more of Nick/Phil? Is there anyone left who wouldn't prefer Phil/Taylor? (Other than Phil himself).
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Post by guest2 on May 6, 2021 5:50:16 GMT -5
Yes, the qualification process isn't great. But I wondered: Aren't the two men's teams that are going to qualify the two best teams right now? In direct contest nick and Phil win most of the time against the other two. And Jake and Taylor win more often than not against tri and trev. And to be honest, the only team that can get on a roll and really pressure the top 5 can be nick and Phil. And even for them it's not likely at all. Part of the point is, with a different qualification process, the teams themselves might be different. Dalcena and Cribb are probably better than T2, and all are average or below now so it barely matters, but the best possible US team now is Phil/Taylor followed by possibly Taylor/Tri. Would one of those teams exist if the Q process were different? Would Taylor have stuck with Jake through a full year of 17ths and 25ths? Who knows, but it sure would have been fun to speculate and talk about. Instead we have seen a three year battle to find out who will take 13th in Tokyo. Blah
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Post by tafit on May 6, 2021 6:37:19 GMT -5
Even though the Olympic qualification process has its weaknesses (especially in this 3 year Covid-period - but who saw this coming?) I don't get the sentiment of needing to strengthening the national tours. Who wants to see Mol/Sorum against the 16th ranked team of Norway? Who wants to see Bourne/Crabb playing against Ratledge & partner? Also the NBA comparison doesn't really fit. You can rather compare Beach Volleyball to Tennis from a tour structure. Our national tour needs strengthening because it is T2 versus Ed. A healthy tour would have pushed Ed out of the main draw a while ago but we simply don't have good young players to do it. But I also think the FIVB needs strengthening. Also I disagree that the NBA comparison doesn't fit because. The point of that comparison is that one of the most consistent drivers of interest in NBA from a fan's perspective is teams changing. Every year the trade deadline is huge news, the free agency period attracts massive interest, and inter-team dynamics are constantly discussed and debated. Sometimes it seems like at least a third of the stories, podcasts, etc. about the NBA don't even touch on the games, they are talking about players changing teams, contracts, etc. All that would be lost if the teams were simply locked into the same players for two years at a time, it would be a disaster for the NBA. The same type of things used to drive interest in BVB. When Stoklos/Smith started losing half the media and fan conversation was about when Stoklos would make a change, who the new partner would be, etc. Then when he picked up Lewy and there were half a dozen new teams, everyone wanted to see those new teams play. Similar things used to happen every year. Now they don't. Partnerships rarely change because of the Olympics and it hurts the sport generally and both national and FIVB tours. Wouldn't the FIVB be stronger if Kerri Walsh was in regular contention? Of course it would. Does anyone really want to see more of Nick/Phil? Is there anyone left who wouldn't prefer Phil/Taylor? (Other than Phil himself). It's true, new partnerships drive some interest, but I guess it's somehow relevant for just 2 countries (USA, Brazil), maybe also for Russia. More important for becoming a more attractive product & growing the game is getting the best teams to play as many international tour events as possible.
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Post by tamz on May 12, 2021 15:42:33 GMT -5
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Post by hippopuff on May 15, 2021 15:49:38 GMT -5
Am I out of line in thinking the reason new talent doesn't come into the sport is because there is no money in the sport unless you are a top 5 player. I look at winnings from tournaments and they are almost nothing, this would have to be a hobby and not a career. Not sure why anyone that has true workplace skills would dedicate their lives to beach volleyball unless they knew they were the best of the best.
Nick/Phil is their choice...if Phil wanted Phil/Taylor he would do that. Your point makes no sense at all. Every sport has to qualify for the Olympics...Are you implying Nick spends all circuit qualifying and then Phil can just toss him in the garbage and go the to Olympics with Taylor? NO SENSE AT ALL
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Post by tamz on May 19, 2021 17:01:14 GMT -5
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Post by tamz on May 20, 2021 12:10:39 GMT -5
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 20, 2021 12:20:05 GMT -5
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Post by tamz on May 20, 2021 12:25:13 GMT -5
He’s a busy man… and he wasn’t in Cancun at all which makes me wonder if he’s still Dalcena’s “head coach”
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 20, 2021 12:43:30 GMT -5
He’s a busy man… and he wasn’t in Cancun at all which makes me wonder if he’s still Dalcena’s “head coach” Don't think he could be gone from FSU for that long, He's the assistant, not a volunteer.
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Post by tamz on May 20, 2021 12:53:17 GMT -5
He’s a busy man… and he wasn’t in Cancun at all which makes me wonder if he’s still Dalcena’s “head coach” Don't think he could be gone from FSU for that long, He's the assistant, not a volunteer. Cause it looked like Jordan Cheng (Coach of Slaes) has been helping out with Dalcena in Doha and Cancun.
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2021 10:45:11 GMT -5
AFTER SOCHI (2021-05-28):
Cribb: Las Vegas - 480 Sydney - 360 Xiamen - 400 Hamburg WC - 800 Gstaad - 600 Espinho - 320 Tokyo - 300 Vienna - 600 Moscow - 400 Rome - 840 *Boca Chica - 600 Chetumal - 800 Doha - 480 Doha - 640 Cancun 1 - 400 Cancun 2 - 240 Cancun 3 - 400 Sochi - 320
Olympics Ranking Points: 7040 points (+0) - Average Olympics Points/Event: 587 points Total Played: 18 events Total Points: 8980 points Average: 499 points/event
Lowest Finishes: (3)-400, which equates to having to get a 5th place finish or better at 4* events to add more points to their Olympics ranking points
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Post by tamz on May 29, 2021 9:32:46 GMT -5
AFTER SOCHI (2021-05-29):
Dalcena: Doha - 720 Xiamen - 240 Jinjiang - 480 Warsaw - 320 Hamburg WC - 960 Gstaad - 600 Espinho - 240 Tokyo - 480 Vienna - 840 Rome - 480 Doha - 480 Doha - 560 Cancun 1 - 400 Cancun 2 - 400 Cancun 3 - 640 Sochi - 400
Olympics Ranking Points: 7040 points (+0) - Average Olympics Points/Event: 587 points Total Played: 16 events Total Points: 8240 points Average: 515 points/event
Lowest Finishes: (2)-400 which equates to having to get 5th or better at 4* events to add more points to their Olympics ranking points
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Post by tamz on May 29, 2021 9:34:53 GMT -5
AFTER SOCHI (2021-05-29):
T2: Qinzhou - 600 Las Vegas - 560 Doha - 320 Itapema - 480 Jinjiang - 560 Ostrava -320 Warsaw - 320 Hamburg WC - 1120 Gstaad - 360 Tokyo - 480 Vienna - 480 Rome - 360 Chetumal - 640 Doha - 400 Cancun 1 - 400 Cancun 2 - 400 Cancun 3 - 480 Sochi - 480
Olympics Ranking Points: 6680 points (+80) - Average Olympics Points/Event: 557 points Total Played: 18 events Total Points: 8440 points Average: 469 points/event
Lowest Finishes: (2)-400 which equates to having to place 5th or better at 4* events to add more points to their Olympics ranking points
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