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Post by tamz on May 29, 2021 9:40:07 GMT -5
Recap of the 3 USA men's spots:
Heading into Sochi: -Cribb: 7040 points (No Change) -Dalcena: 7040 points (No Change) -T2: 6600 --> 6680 points (+80)
The only team to add to their OR points was T2, replacing a 9th place (400 points) with a 5th place finish (480 points). They also finished the highest out of all three teams. T2 basically kept their Olympics dreams alive with the bare minimum by making the quarterfinals. A loss in the Round of 16 would've closed their file for the Olympics.
The last event is in Ostrava next week, where all three team's need to replace the 9ths (400 points) that they have.
T2 are trailing both Cribb & Dalcena by 360 points. For T2 to catch both, assuming they do not replace anymore OR points, there is only one thing they can do: -win gold in Ostrava to move ahead (by +40 points)
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Post by ebes1099 on May 29, 2021 9:57:30 GMT -5
Recap of the 3 USA men's spots: Heading into Sochi: -Cribb: 7040 points (No Change) -Dalcena: 7040 points (No Change) -T2: 6600 --> 6680 points (+80) The only team to add to their OR points was T2, replacing a 9th place (400 points) with a 5th place finish (480 points). They also finished the highest out of all three teams. T2 basically kept their Olympics dreams alive with the bare minimum by making the quarterfinals. A loss in the Round of 16 would've closed their file for the Olympics. The last event is in Ostrava next week, where all three team's need to replace the 9ths (400 points) that they have. T2 are trailing both Cribb & Dalcena by 360 points. For T2 to catch both, assuming they do not replace anymore OR points, there is only one thing they can do: -win gold in Ostrava to move ahead (by +40 points) T2 would have to win gold and have Cribb/Dalcena both finish 9th or worse. If either Cribb or Dalcena get to the 5th place round they lock in their Olympic spot. If the tiebreak works on the men's side the same way it's been stated on the women's side, if T2 wins gold and neither Dalcena or Cribb improve their points then Dalcena is on the outside looking in having played less tournaments than Cribb. Going to be real interesting next week until T2 finally loses, if they make the elimination rounds and get a good draw it will be edge of your seat time.
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Post by acrossthepond on May 31, 2021 3:19:07 GMT -5
I'm going to hijack this thread to give a quick update on the overall qualifying process:
Although it's not mathematically secure Carambula/Rossi (6380 pts) and Kantor/Losiak (6340 pts) more or less booked their spots for the Olympics. There will be a battle for the very last spot between the Grimalts (6140 pts) and Samoilovs/Smedins (6120 pts). Both teams need a 5th to increase their point total. Taking into account that the Grimalt's are on poor form it sure looks like a 5th for Samoilovs/Smedins will be enough, which is still a tough task. A win against Kantor/Losiak in the QF in Sochi would have made a huge difference.
From the outside looking in is Varenhorst/van de Velde who currently stand at 5880 pts. They are looking to replace a 320 pts finish. They would need another 3rd place finish to overtake the Grimalts and Samoilovs/Smedins (assuming both teams don't increase their points). Heidrich/Gerson are tied with Varenhorst/van de Velde and would also need a 3rd place finish.
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Post by acrossthepond on May 31, 2021 3:31:50 GMT -5
Some more information for the seeding at the Olympics. Assuming the seeding process will be the same as at the last few Olympics and there will be no major upsets in Ostrava, the pots for the draw will look like this:
Pot 1: - Mol/Sorum - Krasilnikov/Stoya - Alison/Alvaro - Fijalek/Bryl - Ahmed/Cherif - Japan
Pot 2: - Evandro/Bruno - Thole/Wickler - Semenov/Leshukov - USA 1 - USA 2 - Brouwer/Meeuwsen
Pot 3: - Nicolai/Lupo - Perusic/Schweiner - Herrera/Gavira - Carambula/Rossi - Kantor/Losiak - Grimalt/Grimalt or Samoilovs/Smedins or Varenhorst/van de Velde or Heidrich/Gerson
Pot 4: - Plavins/Tocs (need at least a 5th to have a chance at Pot 3) - 5 Continental Cup winners
A group at the Olympics will consist of one team of each pot. Within the 6 groups the top 2 teams as well as the 2 best 3rd placed teams will adavance to the round of 16. The 4 other 3rd placed teams will play an elimination game to advance to the round of 16. After then it's single elimination.
What sticks out to me is that Fijalek/Bryl on current form is by far the worst team in Pot1. Pot3 has a lot of in-form teams (Perusic/Schweiner, Carambula/Rossi, Kantor/Losiak) which can make the draw pretty interesting.
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Post by tamz on May 31, 2021 8:01:24 GMT -5
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Post by tamz on May 31, 2021 12:02:48 GMT -5
acrossthepond, do you know when and where the draw for the Olympics will be done?
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Post by dunninla3 on May 31, 2021 12:39:45 GMT -5
Pot 3: - Nicolai/Lupo - Perusic/Schweiner - Herrera/Gavira - Carambula/Rossi - Kantor/Losiak - Grimalt/Grimalt or Samoilovs/Smedins or Varenhorst/van de Velde or Heidrich/GersonPot 4: - Plavins/Tocs (need at least a 5th to have a chance at Pot 3) - 5 Continental Cup winners Are any of the cusp teams listed at the end of Pot 3 permitted to grab a spot in one of the 5 Continental Cup competitions in Pot 4? How does that work?
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Post by tamz on May 31, 2021 13:15:22 GMT -5
Pot 3: - Nicolai/Lupo - Perusic/Schweiner - Herrera/Gavira - Carambula/Rossi - Kantor/Losiak - Grimalt/Grimalt or Samoilovs/Smedins or Varenhorst/van de Velde or Heidrich/GersonPot 4: - Plavins/Tocs (need at least a 5th to have a chance at Pot 3) - 5 Continental Cup winners Are any of the cusp teams listed at the end of Pot 3 permitted to grab a spot in one of the 5 Continental Cup competitions in Pot 4? How does that work? Yes, if they can’t secure a spot through the OR, they have a last try at the continental finals.
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Post by dunninla3 on May 31, 2021 16:23:26 GMT -5
Are any of the cusp teams listed at the end of Pot 3 permitted to grab a spot in one of the 5 Continental Cup competitions in Pot 4? How does that work? Yes, if they can’t secure a spot through the OR, they have a last try at the continental finals. Thanks. I googled Continental Cup FIVB Beach and found a site that pertained to the 2016 Olympic CC tournaments. As I recall there are NORCECA, Asia, Europe... and two more... maybe South America and Africa?
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Post by tamz on May 31, 2021 16:40:36 GMT -5
Yes, if they can’t secure a spot through the OR, they have a last try at the continental finals. Thanks. I googled Continental Cup FIVB Beach and found a site that pertained to the 2016 Olympic CC tournaments. As I recall there are NORCECA, Asia, Europe... and two more... maybe South America and Africa? Yes, South America is a fight between Argentina and Chile (if Chile is surpassed this week by Latvia’s SamSmed). I have no idea who would be part of Africa.
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Post by acrossthepond on Jun 1, 2021 1:33:32 GMT -5
acrossthepond , do you know when and where the draw for the Olympics will be done? I think it will be on July 3rd
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Post by sonofdogman on Jun 1, 2021 1:37:55 GMT -5
In previous tournaments, Africa has been represented by:
WOMEN South Africa twice Egypt MEN South Africa twice Tunisia Angola
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Post by acrossthepond on Jun 1, 2021 1:46:25 GMT -5
I mentioned it somewhere before I think, but this is how I see the continental Cup: Europe: Extremely tight and certainly the highest level of competition. Switzerland and the Netherlands will have each 2 very good teams that are not qualified via the rankings yet. Additionally you (might) have Latvia, Austria and Germany who have at least an outside shot NORCECA: Will be between Canada and Mexico Asia: Australia and China will battle it out, I guess. There are a bunch of Iranian teams who sometimes play on the World Tour. Maybe Quatar and New Zealand have a shot? Currently signed up teams: fivb.12ndr.at/tournament?tcode=MNPF21&tournament=AVC_Continental_Cup_Finals_-_(25.06.-27.06.)2021_&timezone=79South America: Argentina might be the big favorites if Grimalt/Grimalt qualify via the Olympic Ranking. At the last continental tournaments a team from Uruquay wasn't too far behind. Africa: I have no idea to be honest. There is a South African guy who sometimes plays local tours in Europe who I've seen recently on some entry lists. Other than that I've never seen anybody play of the African teams.
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Post by tamz on Jun 3, 2021 12:29:44 GMT -5
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Post by tamz on Jun 4, 2021 7:36:21 GMT -5
AFTER OSTRAVA (2021-06-03):
Dalcena: Doha - 720 Xiamen - 240 Jinjiang - 480 Warsaw - 320 Hamburg WC - 960 Gstaad - 600 Espinho - 240 Tokyo - 480 Vienna - 840 Rome - 480 Doha - 480 Doha - 560 Cancun 1 - 400 Cancun 2 - 400 Cancun 3 - 640 Sochi - 400 Ostrava -240
Olympics Ranking Points: 7040 points (+0) - Average Olympics Points/Event: 587 points Total Played: 17 events Total Points: 8480 points Average: 499 points/event
There we have it, another 25th for Dalcena, as they/we await and see the results of T2.
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